AL AL - J.B. Beasley, 17, & Tracie Hawlett, 17, Ozark, 31 July 1999 #2

[LR1]

Bumping this excellent profile from RK.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-in-Ozark-July-1999-1&p=10509767#post10509767

Offender:
-Offender would most likely be someone who lives in and or works in the area where the abduction happened, or close to where they were dumped.
-Most likely loner, with few friends
-Lives alone or with parents
-Possibly triggered by some precipitating event
-History of failed relationships
-Fascinated with weapons, primarily firearms, because they give him power.
-If he was able to obtain it, I would expect him to have a permit to carry, and would be armed much of the time
-Past criminal history would include assault,
-May have a deep interest in Law enforcement, may also be involved in Fire or EMS as well
-Possibly suffering from some form of sexual dysfunction.
-Would most likely demonstrate heavy almost unnatural interest in the crime post offense
-Increases in drug or alcohol consumption if they use it would be noticeable to those around him
-May've fled the area post offense.
-Possibly revisited the crime scene(s)
-Police may have interviewed him already
-May've injected himself into the investigation

I was looking at this full post and got to thinking about the possible person described here or indeed someone similar as suspected by many, me included. These type of offenders you would think from the movies and TV shows are prevalent in our society but he's actually quite a rare bird and it would seem even rarer in small rural towns. Not unheard of but extremely rare, better chances of getting hit by lightning rare.

Someone out trolling for someone to abduct and sexually assault is a risky proposition from the start, he's got to be confident of not getting caught before even instigating the abduction. Feeling confident enough to abduct multiple people without detection adds to the level of rarity of this individual.

I keep going back to the question, if it was this type of offender, why he decided these girls had to die. This type of offender would be unknown to the victims. Gaining control of them for sexual purposes in a secluded location and releasing them is what I would expect from someone unknown to them and with the confidence to put it all in motion.

My latest guess is he was absolutely sure if he let them go he would be caught. Maybe they saw his vehicle or maybe the location they were confronted would point directly at him because it was a place he was seen at that night or was known to frequent. The other option is they were familiar with him/them, this option would bring into question possible motives other than sexual assault.

If the profile is anywhere close, whoever he/they were seems very calculating and quite the risk taker and I'm wondering why he's been so difficult to spot.

 

[Kell1]

Bumping this excellent profile from RK.


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-in-Ozark-July-1999-1&p=10509767#post10509767





I was looking at this full post and got to thinking about the possible person described here or indeed someone similar as suspected by many, me included. These type of offenders you would think from the movies and TV shows are prevalent in our society but he's actually quite a rare bird and it would seem even rarer in small rural towns. Not unheard of but extremely rare, better chances of getting hit by lightning rare.

Someone out trolling for someone to abduct and sexually assault is a risky proposition from the start, he's got to be confident of not getting caught before even instigating the abduction. Feeling confident enough to abduct multiple people without detection adds to the level of rarity of this individual.

I keep going back to the question, if it was this type of offender, why he decided these girls had to die. This type of offender would be unknown to the victims. Gaining control of them for sexual purposes in a secluded location and releasing them is what I would expect from someone unknown to them and with the confidence to put it all in motion.

My latest guess is he was absolutely sure if he let them go he would be caught. Maybe they saw his vehicle or maybe the location they were confronted would point directly at him because it was a place he was seen at that night or was known to frequent. The other option is they were familiar with him/them, this option would bring into question possible motives other than sexual assault.

If the profile is anywhere close, whoever he/they were seems very calculating and quite the risk taker and I'm wondering why he's been so difficult to spot.

Not calculating or a risk taker, if I was close, more along the lines of someone who was at their wits end, when he came across the 2 girls, I cant rule out the use of any intoxicants prior to the commission of the crime.

Think of it this way , if I asked members to show me a picture of a psychopath, most likely it would be a picture of Ted Bundy, or John Gacy etc... the psychopaths we know , but I doubt anyone would post a picture of a Car Salesman, or a Doctor, Lawyer etc... Because those are the psychopaths we don't really know .

That in no way means that all the above are Psychopaths, the professions listed above are simply to give comparison, that psychopath types are prevalent in all several aspects of life

NOR DO I BELIEVE WITH ANY SHRED OF MY BEING HIS INDIVIDUAL IS A PSYCHOPATH , I'M JUST USING IT AS A COMPARATIVE TOOL

In this case you aren't looking for the 3 headed green monster , you're looking for the neighborhood oddball, the type that doesn't really stand out at all, but some wouldn't be surprised "if it was"

In cases like this it's usually some loner pissed off at their life, its been building for years, then there's a "stressor" or a "triggering event " something that's the proverbial last straw if you will.

They may not set out intending to commit a crime at all , but its on their mind on-stop. They usually have few if any real friends, they may have a lot of acquaintances , may be known around the area , but never really anyone who they can sit and talk with .

They find outlets in things like booze, or drugs, this usually turns up in their criminal history, they get into fights, get arrested, or get arrested for possession, and to the inexperienced the guy just looks like a loser.

However everyone has their limits, he had enough, he was tired of his life, and whatever it was (love life, work, legal issues , Money) set him off in the days or even hours prior to killing these girls.

In cases where rape and sexual assault is present , we tend to see issues stemming more from relationship problems, therefore the victim, to them is nothing more than a representation of what they are angry at. Hes striking back

These types usually have a history of failed relationships , which is due to usually more than one , but could be due to any one of several issues ,for example sexual dysfunction, substance abuse, psychological issues ..etc.

These aren't usually your sophisticated criminals, they are usually social marginals that we all have suspicions about in every community across the US

Im 100% certain that someone KNOWS or strongly suspects someone of this crime, and that those suspicions were bolstered by the individual's own actions in the hours and days following the murders .

-Unusual interest in the crime
-Drinking more
-Increase in use of drugs (if using)
-Change in appearance
-"Shedding" (getting rid of belongings in their possession the night of the murders)
-Sudden unexpected or unexplained move from the area.
-Unsolicited offer to help law enforcement (injection)
-Re-visiting crime scene (alone or with another party) "Lets drive by the site.."

However they either have either rationalized their suspicions, or they are simply just not going to talk.

Oh Ill add one more thing , (Investigative consideration)

LE should scrutinize any arrests made in the days immediately following the crime , I've seen it happen more than once where following a horrible crime, the offender gets arrested for things like public intox, or DUI, fights, or even more serious crimes, following a crime , due to the stress they are under following the initial capital offense.

A good example is Joseph Smith after the Carlie Bruscia murder, when he was identified, he was already in jail for a Parole violaion , the violation.........he was arrested for possession of drug paraphernalia , his drug use increased because of the burden of knowing his a$$ was on the line .

 

[LR1]

Oh, hey RK haha, its good to see you back buddy. It's always good to have your input.


*takes note: neither calculating nor a risk taker.


I agree about the psychopaths, they are never easy to spot as I said a few pages back. They need to go back and look at everyone again including those who were never suspected but are in even a minute way connected to this event. There should be some pre or post crime behavior that stands out.

Some of your description sounds a bit like the one they tried to pin this crime on shortly after, which the grand jury declined to indict when the DNA was discovered and didn't match his. Some strange behavior there including a confession or false/con which ever way you want to look at it was also exhibited. They seemed to drop him and move on after that which I think was the right move.

JB's mother I think it was, said JB was not one to easily comply and that this had to be an authoritative type which makes sense to me. This together with your description of what the guy possibly might have been dealing with over a long period of time sounds like we might be looking for a middle aged perp at the least at that time.

Agree also about post crime behaviors of some murderers. For some it takes a while to start thinking straight, some are just riding the high. One case I think it was in Co. he robbed a bank the day after.

 

[Kell1]

A good comparison in behavior and motive would be the murder of Suzanne Collins (USMC) by Sedley Alley (executed)

Similar motives I feel

 

[Kell1]

Oh, hey RK haha, its good to see you back buddy. It's always good to have your input.


*takes note: neither calculating nor a risk taker.


I agree about the psychopaths, they are never easy to spot as I said a few pages back. They need to go back and look at everyone again including those who were never suspected but are in even a minute way connected to this event. There should be some pre or post crime behavior that stands out.

Some of your description sounds a bit like the one they tried to pin this crime on shortly after, which the grand jury declined to indict when the DNA was discovered and didn't match his. Some strange behavior there including a confession or false/con which ever way you want to look at it was also exhibited. They seemed to drop him and move on after that which I think was the right move.

JB's mother I think it was, said JB was not one to easily comply and that this had to be an authoritative type which makes sense to me. This together with your description of what the guy possibly might have been dealing with over a long period of time sounds like we might be looking for a middle aged perp at the least at that time.

Agree also about post crime behaviors of some murderers. For some it takes a while to start thinking straight, some are just riding the high. One case I think it was in Co. he robbed a bank the day after.

Good to see you too.... took a little time off from here

More than likely they've already interviewed him , he may have offered to be interviewed , or he may have been brought in on suspicion , but i'm fairly sure hes been in front of a detective for it

Again Im not saying this guy is a psychopath , (should have though that out more before I posted it ) but just how we we tend to be looking for the 3 headed monster when in reality its the Janitor if you will

Once the heat died down I can see this type skipping town if he didnt immediately after, but id be willing to wager he went back to at least one of those scenes, possibly more than once .

 

[LR1]

A good comparison in behavior and motive would be the murder of Suzanne Collins (USMC) by Sedley Alley (executed)

Similar motives I feel

He was a very angry man.

 

[Kell1]

He was a very angry man.

He was an insignificant nothing , who was suspected in the murder of his 1st wife who "drowned in the bathtub" , but the behavior I feel is similar to what preceded the Ozark murders

 

[LR1]

More than likely they've already interviewed him , he may have offered to be interviewed , or he may have been brought in on suspicion , but i'm fairly sure hes been in front of a detective for it

Again Im not saying this guy is a psychopath , (should have though that out more before I posted it ) but just how we we tend to be looking for the 3 headed monster when in reality its the Janitor if you will

Once the heat died down I can see this type skipping town if he didnt immediately after, but id be willing to wager he went back to at least one of those scenes, possibly more than once .

Provided he has, what then might explain the failure to find a match to the DNA? A few years in they stated over 100 profiles had been compared. A few possibilities come to mind,

1 mix up or failure to test by the lab.
2 Didn't request or denied request of a comparative sample.
3 An accomplice was the depositor and hasn't been identified.
4 DNA recovered was not related to the murders.

Everyone welcome to chime in with other possibilities.

 

[TedMac]

Provided he has, what then might explain the failure to find a match to the DNA? A few years in they stated over 100 profiles had been compared. A few possibilities come to mind,

1 mix up or failure to test by the lab.
2 Didn't request or denied request of a comparative sample.
3 An accomplice was the depositor and hasn't been identified.
4 DNA recovered was not related to the murders.

Everyone welcome to chime in with other possibilities.

All 4 are possibilities. But keep in mind, just because they interviewed him, doesn't necessarily mean they have a sample of his DNA. The government cannot forcibly take a persons DNA unless LE arrests the person or the person willingly donate it. If someone is a person of interest, LE can request a sample, but the suspect can deny their request.

 

[Kell1]

Provided he has, what then might explain the failure to find a match to the DNA? A few years in they stated over 100 profiles had been compared. A few possibilities come to mind,

1 mix up or failure to test by the lab.
2 Didn't request or denied request of a comparative sample.
3 An accomplice was the depositor and hasn't been identified.
4 DNA recovered was not related to the murders.

Everyone welcome to chime in with other possibilities.

Being interviewed doesnt = DNA obtained, they may have only spoken to him at the scene, or brought him in and his refused to submit DNA, without any evidence to hold him then he doesn't have to submit any , unless its subpoena'd by a judge.

Its entirely possible that the police had no reason to suspect the individual therefore they didnt obtain DNA, another possibilty was that they were only briefly interviewed.

A third possibility as you mentioned is that they may not have obtained DNA at the site or that what they did obtain was not viable for use due to contamination.

Remember its also not out of the realm of possibility that there may be more than 1 offender (Im not sure I feel that way given what I read here)

 

[LR1]

All 4 are possibilities. But keep in mind, just because they interviewed him, doesn't necessarily mean they have a sample of his DNA. The government cannot forcibly take a persons DNA unless LE arrests the person or the person willingly donate it. If someone is a person of interest, LE can request a sample, but the suspect can deny their request.

Yes, which would put him near the top of the suspect list and would then require a covert acquisition. I think that is legal. Which would then, if shown to be a match would compel his honor to sign a warrant for a follow-up. I'm just trying to understand where it all went wrong, if it did.

 

[LR1]

Being interviewed doesnt = DNA obtained, they may have only spoken to him at the scene, or brought him in and his refused to submit DNA, without any evidence to hold him then he doesn't have to submit any , unless its subpoena'd by a judge.

Its entirely possible that the police had no reason to suspect the individual therefore they didnt obtain DNA, another possibilty was that they were only briefly interviewed.

A third possibility as you mentioned is that they may not have obtained DNA at the site or that what they did obtain was not viable for use due to contamination.

Remember its also not out of the realm of possibility that there may be more than 1 offender (Im not sure I feel that way given what I read here)

It was reportedly found in multiple locations on JB, this leads me to believe they do have a good working profile. What are the chances they found matching dna in the car? Whoever is responsible did drive the car. Present day technology would likely turn up a profile from maybe the ignition switch, steering wheel, seat etc, was this possible 16 years ago, would it have been standard procedure to swab for it back then?

 

[Kell1]

It was reportedly found in multiple locations on JB, this leads me to believe they do have a good working profile. What are the chances they found matching dna in the car? Whoever is responsible did drive the car. Present day technology would likely turn up a profile from maybe the ignition switch, steering wheel, seat etc, was this possible 16 years ago, would it have been standard procedure to swab for it back then?

Im sure they do have it, however as for whether or not there was transfer inside the car, that depends on where an assault took place.

Its entirely possible there was no DNA transfer inside the vehicle itself, precautions taken by the offender could ensure little if any DNA transfer happens pre or post offense.

If they followed proper procedure , they wouldve looked for fingerprints , DNA, Witnesses, security cam footage at the store etc.. it wouldve been as thorough as possible

 

[TedMac]

Yes, which would put him near the top of the suspect list and would then require a covert acquisition. I think that is legal. Which would then, if shown to be a match would compel his honor to sign a warrant for a follow-up. I'm just trying to understand where it all went wrong, if it did.

BBM Check out the link on post #528. If true, that will help explain why this case is going in circles and the lack of evidence that could be produced by the recovered DNA.

 

[TedMac]

http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2...d-jb-beasley-and-tracie-hawlett-16-years-ago/

Everyone. Please read this. It is incredible!

 

[Lamima]

http://henrycountyreport.com/blog/2...d-jb-beasley-and-tracie-hawlett-16-years-ago/

everyone. Please read this. It is incredible!

wow!!!!

 

[Kell1]

This would mean EVERYTHING told to the media then was false

Not so sure Im buying it , but interesting read

So the Blog writer is saying , these girls knew something and that they were "silenced" one accidentally?

The document shown states one of their residences was burglarized 12 days prior to their murders, and 15 days prior to their court hearing (Undisclosed)

Also states that the trace semen found on one victim may be from a consensual act not from the offender in this case.

So basically they are saying this is a hit , put on by police because these girls knew something about high ranking public officials .....

 

[Kell1]

Looks like it might have been pulled down already,....... Im going to stick with my original feeling on the case

Conspiracy theories always surround unsolved homicides

 

[TedMac]

This would mean EVERYTHING told to the media then was false

Not so sure Im buying it , but interesting read

So the Blog writer is saying , these girls knew something and that they were "silenced" one accidentally?

The document shown states one of their residences was burglarized 12 days prior to their murders, and 15 days prior to their court hearing (Undisclosed)

Also states that the trace semen found on one victim may be from a consensual act not from the offender in this case.

So basically they are saying this is a hit , put on by police because these girls knew something about high ranking public officials .....

It also says that they(the girls) had a tape that implicated several "high-ranking officials". The question I have is how would they have come into possession of it? Think about it...how would two teen-aged high school girls have come into possession of such a tape?

Like you, I am a bit skeptical. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. If the writer doesn't have a tape of everything, he is in for one Hell of a lawsuit. But, on the other hand, if he didn't have the tape, would he dare print the story?

 

[Kell1]

It also says that they(the girls) had a tape that implicated several "high-ranking officials". The question I have is how would they have come into possession of it? Think about it...how would two teen-aged high school girls have come into possession of such a tape?

Like you, I am a bit skeptical of all of this. It will be interesting to see what comes of all of this. If the writer doesn't have a tape of all this he is in for one Hell of a law suit. But, on the other hand, if he didn't have the tape, would he dare print the story?

Yeah Im not buying it , Implicates them of what ?, why write a blog entry naming names , but not explain the contents of this mysterious "tape" .

So someone tailed them all the way to the area they were recovered to stop them for a tape ?...... How would anyone surmise they had this on them, when they were going to a party ? What the hell was it a mix tape?

Are they referring to a video tape ?...

He could have ANYONE on a tape, there's no way to verify its anyone unless its video , and another thing if 2 young girls were killed over this tape (at least 1 intentionally if we are to believe his story) wouldn't you be worried for your safety?

Why leave 2 bodies and potential evidence, that you know are going to be found? You know are going to be investigated and there's going to be tremendous pressure to solve the case.

I mean I can't rule it out but it doesn't sound plausible at all .