Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[Gardenista]

Who are the 2 people added?

An assistant armorer and another person.

 

[Gardenista]

I've not heard much real OMG stuff past the whole holy moley two people are shot. But I think it was yesterday or day before they released a 911 call from Naomi Mitchell, the script supervisor. She reports the shooting; seems calm, then it's like 1 to 50, she goes off about "that fn AD yelled at me at lunch asking about revisions! He's suppose to check the guns, he's responsible....

I'd put her in the upper area of my questioning. 1:15 on the link.

Yes, I've been suspicious of her since the first day. The 911 call was unusual to say the least and she was the first one we heard who lawyered up.

 

[GatorFL]

That's a total speculation on your part. There were presumably people shooting at him in the script-it's a Western after all. You don't know that he demanded anything extra. I don't think it ever even occurred to him there could be live rounds (real bullets) in the gun. Since it doesn't normally happen on movie sets.

I think you're wandering a bit with your thoughts.

I posted earlier, I was wondering if Baldwin would inspect a gun himself if the scene required him to point it at his head and pull the trigger. As a gun owner, I certainly would check a gun before pointing it at myself-or anybody else. I am speculating that he would do the same. And on that thought, it was said Baldwin would likely check the state of the loads in any gun that would be pointed at him as well. I mean, I certainly would check the state of any gun used in a scene that would be pointed at me.

What we do know is Baldwin DID NOT check the gun before he pointed it at someone. Herein lies his guilt in this crime.

Justice for Halyna!

 

[GatorFL]

What kind of bullet?
A blank that set off a dummy if I'm not mistaken.
Cold gun, right?
ETA: Not, in your words, a "(real bullet)"

Yes, 100% correct.

 

[Thora_Jay]

What kind of show was this place running? With people sleeping on the set? And it sounded like other people had a problem with getting paid, the production company wasn't paying the hotel for people to stay at...crazy. They wanted workers to stay at hotels over an hour away!

'Rust' Set Was Chaotic Prior to Fatal Accident - Variety

If Alec Baldwin’s name is part of the production team, a vacation with six kids in Vermont is not going to help.

Hi Mickey!
My opinion and my opinion only as to why Hillary chose Vermont is due to the fact that about 7 minutes away from Manchester is Arlington Vermont.
Arlington is where her parents lived and helped in the community prior to her father’s death in 2020.
Her father was a trustee of the Bennington museum and both parents were members of the historical society.
Also Alec always Loved Vermont and was there a few years ago in Burlington and many times prior to that. My son attended the show he had at the Flynn in Burlington.
Vermont is a beautiful place and most people are very laid back.
I miss Vermont so very much. I lived there for decades prior to moving to Illinois in 2013.
I have to wait until spring to go back to Vermont to visit my son and other family members and that time cannot come soon enough.

 

[Jade]

It seems to me good safe gun owners who do training or extra weapon handling are a special type. Highly principled, organized, protocol followers, observant, tireless in maintenance of the weapons.


I can feel the frustration of those special types on this thread. It must be unbearable to see such a death and it be contributed to lack of attention by, of all people, the armorer.



AB is a career actor and is sort of goofy? I’m pretty sure that is why an armorer is used for movie productions.


Actors have a skill set that requires different qualities including being immersed in a role that compromises attention to present, I would think.


I don’t think AB would have acted any differently if he was aiming at his own head.

That is attributing malice with no evidence.


All imo

 

[MikeF]

Well, then the parents weren't really watching the party, were they? Or they wouldn't have missed drunk kids staggering around.

But the fact would be alcohol made it into the party. Nothing short of frisking each kid would have guaranteed nobody snuck it in. Here we've got a movie set with people coming and going, some by way of their own vehicles. Anyone could have broken that "no live ammo" rule without HGR having knowledge.

Now if it turns out there was live ammo mixed in with the prop ammo, then that's on her. Or if the guns were truly used for target practice between shoots. Same thing.

It's just my opinion having 100% knowledge over 100% of the people entering that set, as well as 100% knowing what they brought with them, would be next to impossible without metal detectors, pat downs, and whatever else to eliminate that risk.

 

[Arkay]

I agree. She may have been careful with all the ammo and weapons she was in control of. But if someone else brought in contraband ammo, and had it in a fanny pack somewhere, how would she know? I'm sure she doesn't look in the other crew member's bags or vehicles, etc.

IMO, if there were 100,000 live bullets hidden everywhere on set, in people's bags or pockets or secreted in every corner, (which of course is illegal), it is STILL the armorer's job to make absolutely certain that ZERO of those contraband bullets makes it into a gun that will be fired.

She didn't need to search everyone's belongings. She only needed to ensure nothing dangerous was in the gun. She didn't do that.

He's not responsible for checking it," attorney Lisa Torraco said in an interview on Fox News on Monday. "That's not the assistant director's job. If he chooses to check the firearm because he wants to make sure that everyone's safe, he can do that, but that's not his responsibility

So, when I hear this lawyer saying that "if he chooses....because he wants to make sure everyone's safe..." I think it's a terrible defense. As a juror I would think, "oh, so he didn't choose to make sure everyone is safe." He could have, but he CHOSE not to.

Yes, she's saying it's not his job and he didn't have to do that extra step. But that defense would only remind me that he had the power to do it and chose not to.

JMO.

 

[Thora_Jay]

I hope that anyone here can help me out please.
The article in the LA times yesterday or the day before that is a good detailed article.
So in that article, there is a snip in there pertaining to an email pertaining to the left over alcohol going to 2 different people, I think one was named Gabby.

Who are the 2 people and what was their function on the set? Do you think that the alcohol was brought onto the set by those 2 to drink in the off hours on the set and maybe that is what is being said about people drinking and plinking??

I cannot see the article anymore because it is behind a paywall and I could only view it once when the link was first posted here.

Thank you so very much.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Sheriff: ‘Rust’ movie fatal shooting probe not getting film staff’s full cooperation

... “But we would recommend that they come in and clarify some of the statements, clarify some of the facts and let us know exactly what happened. If Mr. Halls sees what happened on the set that day different, then come and explain to us how it happened.”

 

[Thora_Jay]

Alec and Hilaria Baldwin's Cat is Missing as they Deal with 'Rust' Shooting

ALEC AND HILARIA BALDWIN CAT NOW MISSING ...As They Deal With Shooting Fallout


When it rains it pours ... as Alec Baldwin reels from the fatal shooting on the "Rust" set, his wife just revealed a member of their family is MIA.

Hilaria Baldwin just posted, "We can't find our cat, Emilio. If anyone sees him, please help him get home. We are all so upset. He's microchipped but no collar."

 

[Gardenista]

I hope that anyone here can help me out please.
The article in the LA times yesterday or the day before that is a good detailed article.
So in that article, there is a snip in there pertaining to an email pertaining to the left over alcohol going to 2 different people, I think one was named Gabby.

Who are the 2 people and what was their function on the set? Do you think that the alcohol was brought onto the set by those 2 to drink in the off hours on the set and maybe that is what is being said about people drinking and plinking??

I cannot see the article anymore because it is behind a paywall and I could only view it once when the link was first posted here.

Thank you so very much.

Assume Gabby is Gabrielle Pickle, line producer in charge of production, and Row is unit production manager Katherine “Row” Walters.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

I hope that anyone here can help me out please.
The article in the LA times yesterday or the day before that is a good detailed article.
So in that article, there is a snip in there pertaining to an email pertaining to the left over alcohol going to 2 different people, I think one was named Gabby.

Who are the 2 people and what was their function on the set? Do you think that the alcohol was brought onto the set by those 2 to drink in the off hours on the set and maybe that is what is being said about people drinking and plinking??

I cannot see the article anymore because it is behind a paywall and I could only view it once when the link was first posted here.

Thank you so very much.

To-do lists were written and shared in Slack, where Pickle, the line producer, chimed in: “Any remaining alcohol donated to row and gabby!” Someone responded with a thumbs up emoji.

I believe Pickle, the line producer, is referring to herself (Gabby) and the unit production manager (Row).

The day Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza

 

[Gardenista]

I hope that anyone here can help me out please.
The article in the LA times yesterday or the day before that is a good detailed article.
So in that article, there is a snip in there pertaining to an email pertaining to the left over alcohol going to 2 different people, I think one was named Gabby.

Who are the 2 people and what was their function on the set? Do you think that the alcohol was brought onto the set by those 2 to drink in the off hours on the set and maybe that is what is being said about people drinking and plinking??

I cannot see the article anymore because it is behind a paywall and I could only view it once when the link was first posted here.

Thank you so very much.

BTW, here is that article in non-subscription form that might work for anyone who can't see it

The day Alec Baldwin shot Halyna Hutchins and Joel Souza

 

[Kiranerys]

I agree. She may have been careful with all the ammo and weapons she was in control of. But if someone else brought in contraband ammo, and had it in a fanny pack somewhere, how would she know? I'm sure she doesn't look in the other crew member's bags or vehicles, etc.

This is true,but ultimately none of that would have mattered if she had done her job properly and looked for live ammo in the one place she absolutely 100% should have!

 

[branmuffin]

I kind of view that something like a teen throws a party. His parents are adamant they will be 100% watching over the party. Next thing they know some kid is drunk off his and falls out a window. They SWEAR no alcohol was in their home and then surprise....couple of the kids snuck some in and took off to the backyard. Obviously the parents can be held, just like HGR, but maybe they both thought they absolutely knew no booze/no live ammo.

In either situation unless the kids arriving were frisked (and trust me as a teen that never would have stopped me from finding a solution lol) and the people entering the Rust set weren't frisked, or have to pass by metal detectors and dogs, so really other than HGR and the whole upper portion of people making the film, making it clear NO live ammo, how would she know?

I see where you are coming from with this scenario but it doesn't alter the fact she said unequivocally that no live rounds were brought to the set. Yet if an unknown individual did bring ammo to the set, that ammo ended up in a weapon under her control.

That suggests to me HGR wore two hats: one as the chief armourer during the day whose job it was to keep the prop guns under her control, in a safe in the prop truck and a young girl having some fun with the partiers who hung around the set after filming was through for the day. Ammo without a gun is like a key without a lock. Somehow that live ammo brought surreptitiously on the set ended up in a gun she was in control of.

 

[branmuffin]

Great question. I haven’t come up with anything about HGR’s licensing.

Interesting site about how to become an armorer.
How to Become an Armorer/Weapons Master on Film Sets - Careers in Film

Mike Tristano says:
“When starting out as an Intern or Apprentice, an individual probably won’t get paid at all. It’s free labor to break into the business,” says Tristano. “Becoming a licensed Armorer varies state to state but can be quite expensive, as well. The amount of money depends on the show.”

“Generally, because there are so few Armorers, and having one on set is a requirement for weapons being present, they can dictate their pay. It usually correlates to different budgets and union tiers, but the overall wage fluctuates from $200 per day to $500 per eight or ten-hour day.”

An Armorer’s pay becomes lucrative if a shoot goes into overtime because that can be time-and-a-half or double time. Some shoots will have an eighteen-hour day which is tiring, but also a chance to pad the bank account.

An 18 hour day is ridiculous when on a set with live rounds considering fatigue,, lower attention span and stress levels from working such long hours. That suggests that even a licensed armourer would be willing to overlook safety to pad the bank account.

 

[Gardenista]

This is true,but ultimately none of that would have mattered if she had done he job properly and looked for live ammo in the one place she absolutely 100% should have!

I'm not trying to give ANY of them an out, but why would anybody look for live ammo if they had no idea it was on-set? It seems to me any of them would only be checking for blanks vs dummies which are super easy to distinguish with a quick look. Dummies vs live rounds need a much closer inspection.

 

[10ofRods]

I kind of view that something like a teen throws a party. His parents are adamant they will be 100% watching over the party. Next thing they know some kid is drunk off his and falls out a window. They SWEAR no alcohol was in their home and then surprise....couple of the kids snuck some in and took off to the backyard. Obviously the parents can be held, just like HGR, but maybe they both thought they absolutely knew no booze/no live ammo.

In either situation unless the kids arriving were frisked (and trust me as a teen that never would have stopped me from finding a solution lol) and the people entering the Rust set weren't frisked, or have to pass by metal detectors and dogs, so really other than HGR and the whole upper portion of people making the film, making it clear NO live ammo, how would she know?

By visually checking each chamber in the cylinder multiple times before putting it on the cart for a cold rehearsal? At least a couple of times, since there had been two prior incidents just 3~4 days before…

…and by knowing the obvious differences between live rounds, blanks and dummies. No live rounds should be on set, much less in the prop gun which was her responsibility. Nor blanks either…that’s a hot gun. The gun didn’t need to have anything in it for the rehearsal. Sounds as if no one checked at all.

 

[Kiranerys]

I'm not trying to give ANY of them an out, but why would anybody look for live ammo if they had no idea it was on-set? It seems to me any of them would only be checking for blanks vs dummies which are super easy to distinguish with a quick look. Dummies vs live rounds need a much closer inspection.

My point was that had she been looking in the gun,which is one place she needed to check,she would have found the live ammo and realised that there was somehow live ammo on set. Had she done her job properly, she would have checked the rounds that SHE and only she was supposed to load in the gun and around have noticed the live ammo on set. She didn't need to specifically check the set or individuals for live ammo, and maybe it was even OK for her to have a reasonable expectation that there was no live ammo on set, but it was absolutely her job to notice that there was a live round in her hand before she put it in the gun, and to notice when she checked the gun what ammo was loaded into it,although the gun should not have had any ammo in it that she herself had not loaded. Either way, she didn't do her job properly.
If she had, Halyna would not be dead and a little boy would still have his mother.