Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[branmuffin]

The job is the job. Plenty of healthcare providers work 16+hour days.

A 16 hour shift suggests something occurring outside of the norm, like Covid or catastrophic accidents where all hands are required. It has been proven that long hours can diminish work productivity and well as increase the possibility of mistakes.

I worked for a police that introduced 12 hour shifts from the regular 8 and 10. Initially, there were differences of opinions regarding the validity of the change. Some officers working a shift in a small town had a much different experience than those working high population areas. The way it was dealt with was to give them shift schedules that gave them ample time off to recharge and for home/work balance. They are very happy with that. So much so that many have alternate businesses outside of their work, approved of course.

In the case of a film set I can see where mistakes made from long hours probably means the budget gets strained, people are cut or in this case accidents happen. Union employees get paid amply for working overtime. They expect a safe work environment. If they don't they can walk. Many on this film site were not union, were inexperienced and lacked the basic knowledge to do their jobs.

 

[Luna20]

He's added a bunch more screenshots

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Not good. It gives more fuel to the fire.

 

[Gardenista]

I'm curious how the costume designer knew the producers waived their fee. And we know Halyna supported the walkout--why would she support it if all this stuff was true.

 

[Antimony]

A misfire is when you want the gun to shoot (or fire) and it won't.
A stoppage is when the gun does not mechanically act as it is expected to do. Such as failure to extract or eject the spent casing on an semi automatic gun. When you shoot yourself in the foot, It is called stupid.

 

[PoppyBear]

Like engaging on Instagram^^^

WHY?!?!

Is there something we are all missing? I understand not everyone feels the same about who is at fault, but he is a 63 year old human. How is it that he cannot stop himself from using SM after he negligently shot two people, one resulting in a Homicide. Today we have heard his political rants, seen him searching for his cat and now this? What point is he trying to make?

 

[Betty P]

Not good. It gives more fuel to the fire.

Are those his posts on Instagram, or is he reposting comments of other people? I don't have an IG account, so I can't read it very well.

If those are his posts, he needs to stop posting. I'm sure his attorneys have told him not to talk publicly right now.

 

[Gardenista]

Are those his posts on Instagram, or is he reposting comments of other people? I don't have an IG account, so I can't read it very well.

He took screenshots of a FB post by a Rust costume designer and posted them to his IG.

 

[Arkay]

I don't have Instagram but I'm trying to follow the narrative in the screenshots. It looks like someone else on set posted all these defensive instagrams and Alec reposted them? Or is this Alec himself talking?

In any event, if he wrote them or reposted them, he is clearly backing this version of events, in which the crew that left was a greedy ungrateful bunch and the producers were ideal.

Of course we weren't there and do not know the whole truth yet. I guess Alec is worried about his responsibility as a producer, since he clearly is concerned with reframing the narrative about a dangerous set. That, and his comment about a "well-oiled crew."

IMO his best bet now would be to SHUT UP. Alec has always, always, always been a tempestuous actor who is very demanding and blames others for everything. Source is multiple MSM stories for decades past.

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Not trying to go off topic but trying to explain the lens through which I see Alec's narrative.

I don't think it was his actual job to check the gun. That was HGR's fault and maybe the AD as well. But JMO Alec is doing himself no favors right now to try to cast blame. Calling the crew that left "camera jerks?" (Or reposting that). I've lost any sympathy I had for his role in this fiasco. A young woman is dead. Her son will never see her again. Stop being defensive, stop rewriting the story, wait until the investigation is complete. And do for the Hutchins family for the rest of your life. MOO

ETA @Gardenista @Betty P I see you answered my question while I was typing, so it's Alec reposting, thank you.

 

[Luna20]

Actually, I think his wife used to call the paparazzi a lot, back when they were newly married. I don't think he realized it then and it made him angry. JMO, she messes with his head a lot.

I hope she didn't call them this time, to let them know where they were staying in VT. The paps really should leave them alone. Following around isn't going to help anyone.

They set up the piece in Vermont themselves calling it a ‘Press Conference’. They were hoping that it would satisfy the press pursuit.

 

[Betty P]

He took screenshots of a FB post by a Rust costume designer and posted them to his IG.

Ok, thanks. I saw that one post had someone else's name and photo on it, but wasn't sure if all the others were from that person, too.

Yeah, he shouldn't do that, just as a precaution. People can misinterpret so much.

 

[Betty P]

They set up the piece in Vermont themselves calling it a ‘Press Conference’. They were hoping that it would satisfy the press pursuit.

I understand, but someone had to have told the press they were there for the press to have been pursuing him. Could have been someone local, etc. Maybe someone thought it could be good for business, who knows?

 

[PoppyBear]

Another question? Have other actors commented on this story? Other than Matthew McConaughey?

Guns can safely be used on film sets, says Matthew McConaughey

Sorry if this has already been posted.

 

[Luna20]

(CNN) — A source close to Alec Baldwin tells CNN that the actor has not been formally asked by the Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office to return to New Mexico for in-person questioning regarding the investigation into last month's fatal shooting on the set of the film "Rust." The individual with knowledge of the situation said that Baldwin would "do whatever is asked."

The source added that Baldwin and his family will remain in Vermont for the foreseeable future as they deal with the aftermath of the tragedy.

Alec Baldwin has not been asked by authorities to return to New Mexico, source says - CNN

It sounds like AB is sending a message through ‘the source close to him’.

 

[Chelly]

My opinion is simple and I don't bother debating it:
AB as a producer is responsible for the outcome.
More important...AB as the shooter is responsible for the outcome.

 

[PoppyBear]

My opinion is simple and I don't bother debating it:
AB as a producer is responsible for the outcome.
More important...AB as the shooter is responsible for the outcome.

I have the same thoughts.

Occam’s Razor and all that.

 

[Luna20]

Crisis manager advises the Baldwins to stop posting on social media: 'Better off to wait'

Alec Baldwin shares comment slamming 'bulls---' claims of poor working conditions on 'Rust'

 

[MaryG12]

So I've watched quite a few westerns dating back to the silent film (!) era and never come across any similar incidents like AB on the set during my last seven years of film research from the 1920's to 1940's.

I have one news item dating back to 1931 (Los Angeles Evening Citizen News, Aug. 3, 1931) which happened to Tom Tyler while filming "The Man From Death Valley" (Monogram Pictures; now a lost film). Basically he was riding horseback when the gun in his holster accidentally discharged, a minor shot in his right thigh. Not exactly comparable to AB, admittedly. Perhaps a comparison of decades is also unfair, to be sure.

At this point I can only guess AB has had little experience in actually handling a gun and leave it at that.

 

[Gardenista]

Alec Baldwin Reposts ‘Rust’ Crew Member’s “Bulls**t” Claims About Unsafe Set – Deadline

 

[GatorFL]

What about on a movie set though? Wasn’t there an industry guideline item that only blank or inert ammunition is to be brought to set and must be controlled at all times by the armourer?

Rule 5. LIVE AMMUNITION IS NOT TO BE BROUGHT ONTO A STUDIO LOT, STAGE OR LOCATION.

Firearms – Safety on the Set

An industry standard does not trump state law.

So, yes it could be against industry guidelines but completely legal.

 

[GatorFL]

A 16 hour shift suggests something occurring outside of the norm, like Covid or catastrophic accidents where all hands are required. It has been proven that long hours can diminish work productivity and well as increase the possibility of mistakes.

I worked for a police that introduced 12 hour shifts from the regular 8 and 10. Initially, there were differences of opinions regarding the validity of the change. Some officers working a shift in a small town had a much different experience than those working high population areas. The way it was dealt with was to give them shift schedules that gave them ample time off to recharge and for home/work balance. They are very happy with that. So much so that many have alternate businesses outside of their work, approved of course.

In the case of a film set I can see where mistakes made from long hours probably means the budget gets strained, people are cut or in this case accidents happen. Union employees get paid amply for working overtime. They expect a safe work environment. If they don't they can walk. Many on this film site were not union, were inexperienced and lacked the basic knowledge to do their jobs.

I am not disagreeing with you, I do think fatigue leads to accidents. But if they are getting the majority of their annual pay in a short time, several months, I am not sure it is a terrible thing.