Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

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Probably. But if the gun was actually loaded with dummies, it would be harmless. It won't fire and it won't make noise.
I'm talking about doing things in a safer manner. If they used a rubber gun for rehearsal there's no chance for someone making a mistake with checking the gun for safety. It's inherently safe. JMO.
 
I'm talking about doing things in a safer manner. If they used a rubber gun for rehearsal there's no chance for someone making a mistake with checking the gun for safety. It's inherently safe. JMO.
But then there would still be filming. If you want to avoid issues, clearly the gun should be properly loaded with dummies, and live ammo shouldn't be on the set.
 
I don't think they where rehearsing a closeup of the gun. They didn't need Alec Baldwin on set to do that. JMO.
A lot of assumptions are being stated as facts, I don't know how anyone who wasn't working that set at the time would know they were eyeballing the dummy in the barrel during quick draw rehearsal.
It sounds fantastical to me.
 
Pretty obvious that there were zero safety protocols followed on this set.

No checks. No double checks. The actor does have responsibility to also follow the safety protocol. He/she is supposed to be present when the armorer is giving him the gun, verifying if the bullets are "dummies" or "blanks". The gun is presented unloaded, and loaded in front of the actor.

The AD (Halls), then tells everyone on the set if it is a "hot" gun with blanks. Or a "cold" gun with dummy bullets. Either way, a gun should never be pointed at a person and fired.
 
But then there would still be filming. If you want to avoid issues, clearly the gun should be properly loaded with dummies, and live ammo shouldn't be on the set.
They were not filming. They were rehearsing. When your done rehearsing then bring out the real firing guns that have been properly loaded and checked.

That's what the rubber revolver on set was designed for. They should have used it. JMO.
 
After ‘Rust’ shooting, industry veterans say ‘buck stops’ with armorers on movie sets

Mike Tristano, the veteran armorer known for his work on horror and action flicks, said that on most sets, an assistant director — or anybody else, for that matter — would almost never pass a weapon to an actor.

“No one touches the guns except the armorer, and then of course the actors and actresses. The gun is only handed to them by the armorer,” Tristano said. “I've never allowed an assistant director to hand a gun to an actor in more than 30 years in this business."
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When it comes to guns and ammunition on sets, Tristano said, “the buck always stops” with the armorer, the licensed professional — sometimes credited as a “weapons master” — tasked with making sure movie firearms are safe and secure on set.

That’s why Tristano was baffled when he learned that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, the armorer on the ill-fated Alec Baldwin project “Rust,” said she had “no idea” how live ammo got on set, according to her lawyers.

“I think it’s a ridiculous statement,” Tristano said on Friday. “How could you not know what’s on your set in terms of anything that’s related to the weapons you’re supposed to be handling?”

“That’s like a chef doing the catering and being like: I don’t know where this food came from.”

“The armorer is responsible for all firearms and blank ammunition on set, and weapons should always be under the tight chain-of-custody of that person,” said Larry Zanoff, an armorer who worked on Quentin Tarantino’s “Django Unchained” and several Marvel movies.

“If there is an actual armorer on set … they are responsible for all aspects,” Zanoff added. “They are the crew member that’s ultimately responsible.”
 
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But then there would still be filming. If you want to avoid issues, clearly the gun should be properly loaded with dummies, and live ammo shouldn't be on the set.
I reread your post jjenny and I think I understand the point you're making. Even if they used the rubber revolver during the rehearsal the same problem would be there with the real gun being loaded with at least one live round.

Perhaps not. If HGR had given Alec Baldwin the rubber gun to rehearse with that wouldn't use much time at all. No having to check it or have the AD check it.

While the rehearsal was going on she would have had more time to properly load the real gun with dummy rounds if they really needed a closeup of it.

A much safer scenario. JMO.
 
Maybe to see how a close up of the gun will look on camera. People also wear gun belts on Westerns, loaded with dummies. Dummies (if they are actually dummies) are completely harmless.

But they jam easily and make an expensive prop gun inoperable. Gun belts are one thing - but an empty gun can stand in for a loaded one on camera. If it's a modern revolver, the camera person would have to adjust for the silly colors of most dummies. At any rate, for a rehearsal (including those of us rehearsing at home), dummies are the safest - but everyone should still and always follow the rules of gun safety, on set or off, actor nor not. IMO.


That's a youtube we've watched, so that basic skills don't fall by the wayside - we have some dummies.
 
I reread your post jjenny and I think I understand the point you're making. Even if they used the rubber revolver during the rehearsal the same problem would be there with the real gun being loaded with at least one live round.

Perhaps not. If HGR had given Alec Baldwin the rubber gun to rehearse with that wouldn't use much time at all. No having to check it or have the AD check it.

While the rehearsal was going on she would have had more time to properly load the real gun with dummy rounds if they really needed a closeup of it.

A much safer scenario. JMO.

For a true close-up, only the gun is seen. So, anyone could be holding it as long as their sleeve matched what the actor was wearing.

If only that plastic gun had been on the table, for this supposed rehearsal, then no one would have died.
 
After ‘Rust’ shooting, industry veterans say ‘buck stops’ with armorers on movie sets

Mike Tristano, the veteran armorer known for his work on horror flicks, said that on most sets, an assistant director — or anybody else, for that matter — would almost never pass a weapon to an actor.

“No one touches the guns except the armorer, and then of course the actors and actresses. The gun is only handed to them by the armorer,” Tristano said. “I've never allowed an assistant director to hand a gun to an actor in more than 30 years in this business."
Mike Tristano
Mike Tristano & Co. -- Photo Gallery

When it comes to guns and ammunition on sets, Tristano said, “the buck always stops” with the armorer, the licensed professional — sometimes credited as a “weapons master” — tasked with making sure movie firearms are safe and secure on set.

That’s why Tristano was baffled when he learned that Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, 24, the armorer on the ill-fated Alec Baldwin project “Rust,” said she had “no idea” how live ammo got on set, according to her lawyers.

“I think it’s a ridiculous statement,” Tristano said on Friday. “How could you not know what’s on your set in terms of anything that’s related to the weapons you’re supposed to be handling?”

“That’s like a chef doing the catering and being like: I don’t know where this food came from.”

“The armorer is responsible for all firearms and blank ammunition on set, and weapons should always be under the tight chain-of-custody of that person,” said Larry Zanoff, an armorer who worked on Quentin Tarantino’s “Django Unchained” and several Marvel movies.

“If there is an actual armorer on set … they are responsible for all aspects,” Zanoff added. “They are the crew member that’s ultimately responsible.”

Which means an actor, usually the highest person paid on the set, has the responsibility to make sure that protocol is followed. He/she can stop all work. Simply by saying, "No, the weapon should only be presented to me by the armorer. When that person is available, let me know...going to my trailer. Thank you.".

And no one would have been killed. If the actor had demanded that the safety protocols were followed.
 
Blanks and dummies are not the same thing. Gun loaded with blanks is a hot gun. Gun loaded with dummies is a cold gun.

I agree. A cold gun can be a completely empty gun, or one than holds dummy rounds. Dummy rounds have the same potential danger as if someone stuck a crayon the gun and pulled the trigger. None.

A hot gun is a gun that has the potential to harm someone by way of a blank or an actual bullet. Something with the ability to be projected.

This gun was (suppose to be) loaded with dummy rounds (and unfortunately a live round found it's way in) so it was considered a cold gun.
 
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