Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #3

[Cool Cats]

I understand, but someone had to have told the press they were there for the press to have been pursuing him. Could have been someone local, etc. Maybe someone thought it could be good for business, who knows?

Yup. Locals started posting on SM of being "surprised" at running across him. Then bam! The media dives in and follows them everywhere.

Alec gave an impromptu road side interview, he said "as a courtesy" then asked to be left alone because "the kids are crying in the car."

...2 Cents...

 

[Cool Cats]

I'm curious how the costume designer knew the producers waived their fee. And we know Halyna supported the walkout--why would she support it if all this stuff was true.

She stayed on to be supportive of all the crew who were staying in their jobs and needed to keep their jobs, from what I read. To basically not let the production down, then she of course was ultimately "let down." 2 Cents

 

[10ofRods]

WHY?!?!

Is there something we are all missing? I understand not everyone feels the same about who is at fault, but he is a 63 year old human. How is it that he cannot stop himself from using SM after he negligently shot two people, one resulting in a Homicide. Today we have heard his political rants, seen him searching for his cat and now this? What point is he trying to make?

Sadly, it’s “Look at me!!!!” Deep inside him, a compulsion IMO.

 

[PoppyBear]

Sadly, it’s “Look at me!!!!” Deep inside him, a compulsion IMO.

That is certainly the impression I am getting. He has a history of being violent, reckless and blaming anyone but himself. I wonder if he recognizes this or even cares. The behavior certainly seems narcissistic and unhinged, which is hardly a new thing for him, but he actually killed someone and I personally don’t think he is showing any remorse. I can’t imaging his PR team or attorneys are impressed. What a nightmare.

 

[PoppyBear]

An industry standard does not trump state law.

So, yes it could be against industry guidelines but completely legal.

This is a point I have tried to make. I don’t see how anyone but him can be legally charged unless we find out that someone intentionally placed the live round in the firearm and it is found it was done to cause intentional harm. I find that to be an unlikely scenario though.

 

[steeltowngirl]

An industry standard does not trump state law.

So, yes it could be against industry guidelines but completely legal.

New Mexico has no law that interferes with an employer’s right to ban employees from bringing weapons on the premises. I would think that applies to ammo, as well.

https://www.ehs-support.com/wp-cont...-on-bringing-weapons-on-employer-premises.pdf

 

[Satchie]

This is a point I have tried to make. I don’t see how anyone but him can be legally charged unless we find out that someone intentionally placed the live round in the firearm and it is found it was done to cause intentional harm. I find that to be an unlikely scenario though.

No one has to be criminally charged, it's not like prosecutors have to find someone to pin it on. If it was just multiple safety failures, no one might be charged.

 

[Satchie]

New Mexico has no law that interferes with an employer’s right to ban employees from bringing weapons on the premises. I would think that applies to ammo, as well.

https://www.ehs-support.com/wp-cont...-on-bringing-weapons-on-employer-premises.pdf

Yes, but the legal system will not lay criminal charges based on someone violating employer guidelines. For eg, my employer requires I wear closed toe shoes (in case I drop something on my foot). But it's not against the law to wear sandals, and police will not arrest me for wearing them to work.

ETA fixed this up, post was mis-worded.

 

[PoppyBear]

No one has to be criminally charged, it's not like prosecutors have to find someone to pin it on. If it was just multiple safety failures, no one might be charged.

I understand and agree. I don’t know that anyone else other than AB can be criminally charged. Civil charges, sure. I can see that coming from all sorts of different directions.

 

[steeltowngirl]

I understand and agree. I don’t know that anyone else other than AB can be criminally charged. Civil charges, sure. I can see that coming from all sorts of different directions.

What do you mean by civil charges? Are you referring to civil lawsuits?

edit: typo corrected

 

[mickey2942]

AB is carrying on, as usual. He considers himself a victim here, of a sloppy production company. As a victim, he doesn't need to hide, stop using social media or anything else. He has not been charged with a crime. He felt terrible about his minor role in the death of his friend, Halyna Hutchins, and he expressed his grief to her family.

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[steeltowngirl]

Yes, but the legal system will not lay criminal charges based on someone violating employer guidelines. For eg, my employer requires I wear closed toe shoes (in case I drop something on my foot). But it's not against the law to wear sandals, and police will not arrest me for wearing them to work.

ETA fixed this up, post was mis-worded.

How about if you bring a loaded gun to work? Can your employer call the police and have you arrested?

 

[PoppyBear]

What do you mean by civil charges? Are you referring to civic lawsuits?

I am

 

[steeltowngirl]

I am

I agree there will be lawsuits. I think they will settle out of court with Halyna’s family for wrongful death before it gets to court. But what about the set members who will likely claim trauma? The AD and the armourer may come in with defamation suits. This is gonna get real ugly.

 

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[Satchie]

How about if you bring a loaded gun to work? Can your employer call the police and have you arrested?

I'm in Canada, handguns are mostly illegal. I think you can only carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in an area safe for hunting, so yes, they would probably call police. I don't know whether I'd be arrested, probably given a warning (ETA because I'm a law-abiding person. If I was threatening to shoot people, that would be different)

 

[steeltowngirl]

I'm in Canada, handguns are mostly illegal. I think you can only carry a loaded shotgun or rifle in an area safe for hunting, so yes, they would probably call police. I don't know whether I'd be arrested, probably given a warning (ETA because I'm a law-abiding person. If I was threatening to shoot people, that would be different)

My company policy (as it relates to the prevention of workplace violence) includes the potential to be fired and having 911 called - which brings the police.

Any use or possession of dangerous weapons, whether illegal or not, is prohibited on Company property or while on Company business. A dangerous weapon is a device, instrument or substance that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, including but not limited to guns, knives, clubs, chemicals and explosive devices. Dangerous weapons do not include work tools, or non-flammable pepper spray or mace, when used appropriately. Any employee in violation of this policy can be disciplined, up to and including discharge.
If you experience or observe any conduct or person that you deem suspicious or potentially dangerous, report that person or situation to Human Resources, Security Services, or your supervisor immediately. If the situation warrants it, please also contact 911 or other appropriate authorities. For additional information, please see the Workplace Violence Prevention and Response Policy.

 

[Fidobell]

Opened with chrome and it worked - Thanks.
And oh.my.word… what an interview.

The damage limitation wheels are well in motion for DH . Lot of word salad , but totally shifting blame from her client . Atta will throw anybody under the bus . She may represent film industry 'people' but she certainly cant act like them. Feigning shock and grief is so not sincere

 

[steeltowngirl]

Adding to our research on movie industry guidelines for firearms handling on set, here is another incident from 2017 in Australia.

Gold Coast stuntman and actor Johann Ofner died after a prop gun “loaded with blanks” was fired during the making of a Bliss N Eso video in Brisbane’s CBD.
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Whose responsibility is it?
The armourer (who holds the guns) will then be on standby to issue firearms as required by the script. This is where it all gets a little Full Metal Jacket.

Each time a gun is handed to a performer, the armourer must open the weapon’s breach and present it to the performer with verbal confirmation such as, “The weapon is clear”.

When the performer is satisfied that the gun is not loaded they should audibly confirm “Clear”.

When it is returned to the armourer following the take, the same clear verbal confirmation is required.
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Firing Blanks
The firearm is loaded at the express instruction of the First AD. The armourer confirms “Guns loaded standing by”. The armourer remains as close as practicable to the cast to retrieve the guns at the end of the last take of the scene or in the event of a misfire.

After “cut” is called, the performer returns the gun to the armourer, who will open the breach and verbally confirm to the First AD that the gun is clear and safe.

Only blank or inert ammunition is brought to set and must be controlled at all times by the armourer.

Explainer: the rules for shooting on film sets

 

[Betty P]

Yup. Locals started posting on SM of being "surprised" at running across him. Then bam! The media dives in and follows them everywhere.

Alec gave an impromptu road side interview, he said "as a courtesy" then asked to be left alone because "the kids are crying in the car."

...2 Cents...

Aha! That sounds very plausible. Everyone is on social media these days.