Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021 #5

[Laughing]

IIRC, this tragedy occured during a walk-through/blocking.

Protocol -- inoperative blue gun AFAIK:

image from inertproducts.com

So -- why did the armorer bring a working firearm? Why did the AD pass the working firearm to the actor? Why did the actor point the working firearm directly at a human?

And, why oh why was there live ammo on the set???

Wonder if we'll ever have answers....

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[ktm44]

IIRC, this tragedy occured during a walk-through/blocking.

Protocol -- inoperative blue gun AFAIK:

View attachment 374540
image from inertproducts.com

So -- why did the armorer bring a working firearm? Why did the AD pass the working firearm to the actor? Why did the actor point the working firearm directly at a human?

And, why oh why was there live ammo on the set???

Wonder if we'll ever have answers....

jmho ymmv lrr

I believe it's been stated that the armourer was not notified of the walk rehearsal and was not present for the event and the firearm was handed to Baldwin by the assistant director, who declared it cold.

Alec Baldwin pointed gun 'against all rules and common sense,' movie armorer says | CNN

The armorer on the set of the film "Rust" said she was not called to inspect the gun that ultimately fired a live round, fatally wounding cinematographer Halyna Hutchins.

www.cnn.com

 

[DI_Isokawa]

Good survey of the (largely missing) response of the industry and unions to the event:

Hollywood's broken promises to make sets safer after deadly 'Rust' shooting

After the shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, proposed legislation to ban guns on sets has been scaled back and no changes have been made.

www.latimes.com

 

[ilovewings]

Good survey of the (largely missing) response of the industry and unions to the event:

Hollywood's broken promises to make sets safer after deadly 'Rust' shooting

After the shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, proposed legislation to ban guns on sets has been scaled back and no changes have been made.

www.latimes.com

Well I guess we should not be surprised- but it is pretty disgusting

 

[ilovewings]

Good survey of the (largely missing) response of the industry and unions to the event:

Hollywood's broken promises to make sets safer after deadly 'Rust' shooting

After the shooting of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, proposed legislation to ban guns on sets has been scaled back and no changes have been made.

www.latimes.com

Finger pointing---- no one wants to take responsibility for this travesty-horror

 

[ktm44]

Finger pointing---- no one wants to take responsibility for this travesty-horror

Those promises have gone on since Brandon Lee died and nothing seems to change.

 

[PrairieWind]

IIRC, this tragedy occured during a walk-through/blocking.

Protocol -- inoperative blue gun AFAIK:

View attachment 374540
image from inertproducts.com

So -- why did the armorer bring a working firearm? Why did the AD pass the working firearm to the actor? Why did the actor point the working firearm directly at a human?

And, why oh why was there live ammo on the set???

Wonder if we'll ever have answers....

jmho ymmv lrr

Where the live ammo came from, and how it got loaded into the gun are the biggest questions that I have personally. But I don't think we are going to get satisfactory answers to either of those questions.

 

[grammieto5]

Am I understanding this correctly? The husband of the lady killed on the set of Rush has been given money and now he's an executive producer on Rush? And a settlement for her son is sealed?

 

[Barbaro]

Out of curiosity does anyone know if Alec Baldwin ever took a basic gun safety class? I would think a producer making a movie with firearms would want all his actors to have a basic idea of what gun safety was about.

 

[PrairieWind]

Am I understanding this correctly? The husband of the lady killed on the set of Rush has been given money and now he's an executive producer on Rush? And a settlement for her son is sealed?

we havent seen a settlement agreement,but I assume that is the case.

 

[Dotta]

"WHERE is the Rust justice?

Exactly one year after Alec Baldwin fatally shot Halyna Hutchins, there are STILL no charges - or even a sheriff's report - as filming is set to resume..."

One year on from fatal Rust shooting, WHERE is the justice?

It has officially been one year since Baldwin, 64, accidentally shot and killed 42-year-old cinematographer Hutchins on set of his movie Rust - and after 365 days, no charges have been made.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Laughing]

Out of curiosity does anyone know if Alec Baldwin ever took a basic gun safety class? I would think a producer making a movie with firearms would want all his actors to have a basic idea of what gun safety was about.

IIRC, in an early linked article AB bragged about his 'acting chops' including ability to ride a horse, a motorcycle, and handle guns.

I also recall a text/email exchange between The Armorer HG & the Producer to whom she reported, stating that AB had not shown up for required firearms review with her (HG) three separate times.

Yet she delivered a working firearm to a set for AB, for blocking/walk-thru, when protocol calls for an inoperative blue gun.

Delivered a non-protocol working revolver, non-protocol loaded, to a set the called for the inoperative blue gun, to an actor who had not met safety protocols.

Now would I, at that age, have had the backbone to deliver only the inoperative blue gun that the scene called for?

Or -- even more backbone -- "Mr. Baldwin (producer, part of the reason I have this very job & this very paycheck,) once you complete the industry-required firearms safety review, I"ll be happy to deliver operating firearms to sets where those are appropriate."

Accompanied by the Assistant Director, this should have been effective.

But AFAIK this didn't happen.

So the on-staff Armorer brought the non-protocol loaded, operating firearm not needed for that scene to the AD, and that AD handed over the loaded, working firearm & Alec Baldwin pointed that loaded working firearm directly at Halyna Hutchins & her death is the result.

That's way too many mistakes imho.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[floridafreshsqueez]

Alec really woke up yesterday and thought “let me commemorate the woman I killed on IG” SMH wow.

 

[philippa26]

Alec really woke up yesterday and thought “let me commemorate the woman I killed on IG” SMH wow.

it was extremely distasteful.

not even a "thinking of halyna's family today".

He posted it like it was just an 'on this day..' social media memory.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't understand why an investigation would take a year.

 

[DI_Isokawa]

I don't understand why an investigation would take a year.

Because they've hit nothing but dead ends? I'm pretty pessimistic that we'll ever find out what actually happened.

 

[PrairieWind]

Because they've hit nothing but dead ends? I'm pretty pessimistic that we'll ever find out what actually happened.

I am guessing they have found a bunch of people all pointing their fingers at each other. People might not like it, but we might not see any criminal charges.

 

[Cryptic]

Out of curiosity does anyone know if Alec Baldwin ever took a basic gun safety class? I would think a producer making a movie with firearms would want all his actors to have a basic idea of what gun safety was about.

A film industry worker that I spoke to (camera operator) implied that actors are not required to take fire arms safety classes.

He did, however, state very strongly that all actors, directors etc are expected to follow fire arms protocols:

- Nobody other than the armorer issues a weapon to anybody. Nobody besides the armorer makes any kind of declaration about it.

- The armorer checks the weapon upon issuing it. The receiving actor then re-checks the weapon. If the receiving actor is not familiar with weapons, or is personally opposed to handling them more than absolutely necessary, they are assigned a "shooting partner". The actor's shooting partner then re checks the weapon for the actor.

He also stated that well run sets take the protocols to the extent that rubber guns are still weapons, are issued by the armorer, checked and rechecked.

 

[ktm44]

I keep trying to understand why it was so important to have the one person responsible for set firearms unavailable at that particular time.

 

[cocomod]

My husband is working on a set right now with firearms. He said everyone is VERY cautious, much more than he has previously noted. He keeps hearing, "does anyone else want to check the firearm? Anyone?" I sincerely hope that this tragedy does make a difference in the industry!