Alec Baldwin fired prop gun, killing 1 on movie set, Oct 2021

Status
Not open for further replies.
Why wouldn’t there be prop guns that look like real guns only the barrel is different in that it doesn’t fit any real bullet?
IMO there's a very limited market for such guns so they're probably expensive and not widely available, whereas antique guns are probably owned by gun collectors and rented out to films for a short period of time.

However, there might be more of a market for them, as of now.
 
IMO there's a very limited market for such guns so they're probably expensive and not widely available, whereas antique guns are probably owned by gun collectors and rented out to films for a short period of time.

However, there might be more of a market for them, as of now.

True, I’m sure the antique ones are more sought after. A dummy version however would ensure that there is no presentable mishap to be concerned about.
 
In the history of Hollywood accidental deaths, have any major productions ever been scrapped? It seems to me they never, or rarely, are. I remember being shocked that The Crow was ever released.

Why this movie about Gregg Allman’s life was never made

"Midnight Rider," a movie about Gregg Allman, started filming a little over three years ago in the tiny community of Doctortown, just outside Jesup. But the project was never completed and the director ended up going to jail.

On the first day of production in February 2014, the crew was setting up to film on a train trestle owned by CSX - despite getting denied permission to do so. Crew member Sarah Jones, 27, died when a train came barreling down the tracks. She could not escape in time.
 
I don't think Alec Baldwin had any say in who was hired, nor in how they were managed. He had already posted on social media that he supported the IATSE workers who had walked off the set.

From what I've read, there are different types of "producer" credits. Not everyone who is named as a co-producer is in charge of budget, hiring and firing, management of employees, etc.

Hope this link helps. It explains the different roles for various types of producers.

Film producer - Wikipedia

Here's a link to the IMDB page for "Rust". It shows thirteen (13) different producers for this film, including Alec Baldwin

Rust - Full Cast & Crew - IMDb

Alec Baldwin ... producer
Kc Brandenstein ... co-producer
Allen Cheney ... executive producer
Matt DelPiano ... producer
Tyler Gould ... executive producer
Matthew Helderman ... executive producer
Nathan Klingher ... producer
Anjul Nigam ... producer
Emily Hunter Salveson ... executive producer
Ryan Donnell Smith ... producer
Luke Taylor ... executive producer
Ryan Winterstern ... producer
His statement that he supported IATSE workers was referring to the tentitive union strike this week that never happened, that statement was made before his own workers quit his production.

Hollywood avoided an IATSE strike. But broader labor issues aren't going away

If he supported his own IASTE workers, I don't think they would have walked off set in protest and I don't think his company would have then replaced them with non union workers.

'Rust' assistant director told Alec Baldwin gun was safe before movie set shooting: Documents

Seven crew members walked off several hours before Hutchins was killed to express their discontent with matters that ranged from safety conditions to their accommodations.

The crew was initially housed at the Courtyard by Marriot in Santa Fe.. Four days in, however, they were told that going forward they would be housed at the budget Coyote South hotel.

Only minimal COVID-19 precautions were taken even though crew and cast members often worked in small enclosed spaces on the ranch.

[A crew member] said he never witnessed any formal orientation about weapons used on set, which normally would take place before filming begins.

The Los Angeles Times reported that five days before the shooting, Baldwin's stunt double accidently fired two live rounds after being told the gun didn't have any ammunition.

A crew member who was alarmed by the misfires told a unit production manager in a text massage, "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe"
 
Last edited:
His statement that he supported IATSE workers was referring to the tentitive union strike this week that never happened, that statement was made before his own workers quit his production.

Hollywood avoided an IATSE strike. But broader labor issues aren't going away

If he supported his own IASTE workers, I don't think they would have walked off set in protest and I don't think his company would have then replaced them with non union workers.

'Rust' assistant director told Alec Baldwin gun was safe before movie set shooting: Documents

Seven crew members walked off several hours before Hutchins was killed to express their discontent with matters that ranged from safety conditions to their accommodations.

The crew was initially housed at the Courtyard by Marriot in Santa Fe.. Four days in, however, they were told that going forward they would be housed at the budget Coyote South hotel.

Only minimal COVID-19 precautions were taken even though crew and cast members often worked in small enclosed spaces on the ranch.

[A crew member] said he never witnessed any formal orientation about weapons used on set, which normally would take place before filming begins.

The Los Angeles Times reported that five days before the shooting, Baldwin's stunt double accidently fired two live rounds after being told the gun didn't have any ammunition.

A crew member who was alarmed by the misfires told a unit production manager in a text massage, "We've now had 3 accidental discharges. This is super unsafe"

I still see no reason to blame this on AB. I'm going to wait until we get some information from LE.

I made a post that's now probably a few pages back. It contains a lot of information about various kinds of producers and their roles. It also lists the IMDB entry for this movie showing about a dozen different people named as producers for this movie. Again, I don't think he was involved in those day to day decisions. Actors don't usually do that. His role as a producer likely was related to the creative process.
 
Last edited:
I still see no reason to blame this on AB. I'm going to wait until we get some information from LE.

I made a post that's now probably a few pages back. It contains a lot of information about various kinds of producers and their roles. It also lists the IMDB entry for this movie showing about a dozen different people named as producers for this movie. Again, I don't think he was involved in those day to day decisions. Actors don't usually do that. His role as a producer likely was related to the creative process.
He owns the company, is a producer of the film, and the lead actor who works on set, but maybe he didn't know there were problems?
ETA: would the creative process include the decision to use real guns?
 
Bottom line, as far as we know, AB pointed a gun at a human being, which should never be done unless you intend to harm them. Even if he didn’t pull the trigger and it discharged accidentally somehow, no one would have been killed or injured if AB had practiced basic gun safety. Thinking it was a “cold gun” doesn’t change his carelessness. I feel for him and everyone involved, as I’m sure it was a tragic, but avoidable accident, and not deliberate. But mostly I feel for the victims and their families.
JMO
 
I still see no reason to blame this on AB. I'm going to wait until we get some information from LE.

I made a post that's now probably a few pages back. It contains a lot of information about various kinds of producers and their roles. It also lists the IMDB entry for this movie showing about a dozen different people named as producers for this movie. Again, I don't think he was involved in those day to day decisions. Actors don't usually do that. His role as a producer likely was related to the creative process.
You can ignore all the executive producers - they're essentially just investors. AB is named first in the list of producers on IMDb, he owns the production company making the movie, El Dorado Pictures, and he was a producer on set so could not have been unaware of all the safety and crew problems. He was not just a jobbing actor on this particular production. He and his company bear a lot of responsibility for safety on set. Many people producing the film will be scrutinised here and rightfully so.
 
With any luck it’ll lead to fewer films glorifying gun violence. It’s not big and it’s not clever.
Sadly gun violence is very popular in films. I don’t enjoy violent films and avoid them, but I often hear coworkers discussing in great detail films they have seen.

I read reviews of new movie releases and I see many that mention gun violence.

Hollywood produces the movies the public wants to see, and for many that means gun violence.
 
I do not know all the details but I know one thing. AB is an actor; he depends on every single professional around him to do their jobs in a thoroughly competent manner, as he does his. He is absolutely NOT responsible. If he was responsible he would be the armorer / prop master. JMO
Agreed. And if actors were required to come out of character to prepare their own guns before filming the scene there would be no need for an armourer.
 
I am pretty certain that the pistol in the Armourer's holster in this picture from the set is either the same gun or a simile of the one used in the negligent killing of Halyna. If that's the case, IMO it's another example of the lack of respect for deadly weapons. No different than some of the "gang-banger" type photos I've seen on WS posted on the social media of thugs who think it's cool to pose with weapons. IMO. SMH.

Alec Baldwin ignored the golden rule of gun safety and it should never have been loaded | Daily Mail Online

49540323-10123003-image-m-10_1634983953147.jpg
 
Somehow I knew this was coming.............
From the article:

There's also this ... one source who was on set and familiar with the goings-on of the crew tells us that when cops showed up, they found live ammo and blanks were being stored in the same area -- another possible explanation for how an actual bullet slipped got in the gun.

So the inexperienced armourer Hannah Gutierrez made a mistake.
 
I think she should have apprenticed with her dad for a while longer before going out on her own. JMO.
Shouldn't she pass an exam of some sorts and get a licence proving her professionalism?

I mean, even going to the hairdresser's I want to know that a licenced worker cuts my hair, and not just sb who wields scissors.

And here you have a person dealing with weapons.
 
Glad to see changes are already being made.

Effective immediately, no “live” weapons will be used on the set of ABC’s The Rookie, showrunner Alexi Hawleyannounced in a staff memo on Friday, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

“As of today, it is now policy on The Rookie that all gunfire on set will be Air Soft guns with CG muzzle flashes added in post,” the memo reads. “There will be no more ‘live’ weapons on the show. The safety our cast and crew is too important. Any risk is too much risk.”

The Rookie EP Bans 'Live' Weapons From Set in Wake of Halyna Hutchins Tragedy: 'Any Risk Is Too Much Risk'
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
157
Guests online
870
Total visitors
1,027

Forum statistics

Threads
626,023
Messages
18,519,127
Members
240,919
Latest member
SleuthyBootsie
Back
Top