All Sauvie Island Searches

[freefallzzzz]

If you remember the CO case of Kayleah Wilson it is believed that she was caught in a culvert or another place and that the heavy rain washed her body to the open where it could be found.

So I think it could work both ways good and bad.

Yes, very true!!!

Let's hope for the good.. =)

 

[Kimster]

I can put up with my garage flooding if it brings Kyron home!

 

[Beatrice]

Dede Spicher was "AWOL" from the Sauvie Island nursery from
9:45 to 1:00 pm...Yet, her vehicle was still there...

3+ hours...Who picked her up and where had she gone?

 

[Kimster]

Dede Spicher was "AWOL" from the Sauvie Island nursery from
9:45 to 1:00 pm...Yet, her vehicle was still there...

3+ hours...Who picked her up and where had she gone?

She wasn't working on Sauvie Island. She was working on the mainland closer to the school, but not right by it.

 

[scandi]

Dec. 4 http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/12/multnomah_county_sheriff_dan_s_2.html


As the criminal investigation proceeds, so does a search-and-rescue operation. Its braincenter is located in a small room down the hall from the "War Room." Marked-up maps of the West Hills and Sauvie Island cover a conference table; maps of Sauvie Island are taped to the walls, a map plotting cell phone towers around the school and Sauvie Island is affixed to an easel, and maps from the earliest searches for the missing boy are inventoried in cylindrical bins.

Searchers from three states, including planes, search dogs, all-terrain vehicles, horse and walking teams, have combed heavily-wooded ravines, thick grass fields and hilly rough terrain around Skyline School, the Horman home and Sauvie Island, the largest river island in the country. In recent months, searches at the island resulted from cell phone tower pings analyzed, viable leads or statistical probabilities from studies of other missing child cases, officials said.

So this confirms it's not JUST cell phone pings that are causing them to search SI.

And could it be that LE received a phone call at 11am on that infamous morning from someone on the island, giving info about a white truck that slid into a ditch after racing wildly in tandem with another automobile? Could be, as said, and it would have been highly unusual for something of this nature to occur there when the norm was that it wouldn't.

And so if this happened, it would rock those living on SI and they would respond, by calling in what they had seen. It was that unordinary of an occurance to have been witnessed.

xox

PS: I just hope whomever knows what was done with Kyron and is keeping it silent for whatever reason ~ suffers in HE!! for not telling LE what happened to him and where he was put.

PAX xox

 

[GrainneDhu]

What is the general consensus about a downpour hurting or helping potential future searches on Sauvie Island?

I don't know local conditions well enough to have a valid guess but I'm inclined to say that a lot of rain will tend to hurt future searches.

There's a small chance that rain will erode a grave (particularly a shallow one). But if Kyron was placed in water, increased water flow is likely to move his body around and probably to areas of deeper water.

What almost always helps is a drought but I'm hesitant to wish a drought with the attendant bad stuff (increased fire risk, crop damage, water shortages, etc) on a whole region just to find one person.

 

[Kimster]

It's raining steady in the Eugene area. Here's the forecast in Portland for today:

Patchy fog early. Rain increasing. Rain May be heavy at Times in the afternoon. Highs around 45. East wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 mph this afternoon especially near the gorge. Rainfall amounts one and a half to two inches.

http://www.weatherforyou.com/weather/oregon/portland.html

 

[gwenabob]

It is pouring here in Portland now, and we expect it all day.

 

[sarx]

I don't think a lot of rain is going to hurt many aspects of the search, it's been so long already... Other than making things a soupy mess and needing some time to dry out it won't permanently hurt future searches. In terms of dogs, it's been way too long for all but HRD dogs (human remains detection dogs (also incorrectly labeled cadaver dogs)). As for HRD dogs, again, it will delay the search possibly but not destroy the opportunity.
The possibility of him moving in water is there, but again, it's been a lot of months so if he is in water it's going to be tough.

 

[scandi]

http://www.kgw.com/news/Soaking-rain--111638269.html
PORTLAND, Ore. -- Soaking rain pounded the Metro area Thursday, and the National Weather Service issued an Urban Flood Advisory through 10:45 p.m. cautioning about possible flooding on local roadways.
(Did Sauvie Island flood?)

Hi LMax, I'm only posting this here as it is a prime example of how bodies are found at this time of the year in the Northwest.

They believe they have spotted Lori Blalock's body in a river by Lyons Ore. The torrential rains lately have flooded the waterways and a poster friend of hers here has written they believe her body was dislodged by the rising waters. The waters were too powerful to recover her and they have now lost sight of the body but I am sure they will have her back home soon.

Here's a link: http://www.katu.com/news/local/111734404.html

I can see Kyron being found like this as a possibility if he was put in water.

 

[cluciano63]

Kyron is so tiny...I fear he would not be spotted easily...

 

[sarx]

Kyron is so tiny...I fear he would not be spotted easily...

You are so right. It is so scary how close you can be to a little body that size and still miss it, especially in vegetation or under leaves. Inches, literally.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Kyron is so tiny...I fear he would not be spotted easily...

Laci Peterson and her Baby were in San Francisco Bay but they washed ashore. They could have been washed out to sea, but the currents brought them to the rocks onshore instead, even though they were skeletized.

When rivers and streams flood, the water doesn't necessarily flow away from land. The water rises into places where it doesn't ordinarily go, likes roadways, farmland, and backyards. I have hope that it might happen with Kyron as well.

 

[scandi]

Laci Peterson and her Baby were in San Francisco Bay but they washed ashore. They could have been washed out to sea, but the currents brought them to the rocks onshore instead, even though they were skeletized.

When rivers and streams flood, the water doesn't necessarily flow away from land. The water rises into places where it doesn't ordinarily go, likes roadways, farmland, and backyards. I have hope that it might happen with Kyron as well.

Well said and so true ThoughtFox. In fact I was thinking earlier in the day that even if he were put in the Columbia River his body would never make it all the way out to the ocean.



PS: I think that point you made would qualify as your having 'Sleuthing Smarts' after all of the many years you have been here 'a learning and a posting. xox

 

[scandi]

You are so right. It is so scary how close you can be to a little body that size and still miss it, especially in vegetation or under leaves. Inches, literally.

I never said WELCOME to WS Sarx, but it is a real pleasure to have you aboard ;}

 

[ThoughtFox]

Well said and so true ThoughtFox. In fact I was thinking earlier in the day that even if he were put in the Columbia River his body would never make it all the way out to the ocean.

PS: I think that point you made would qualify as your having 'Sleuthing Smarts' after all of the many years you have been here 'a learning and a posting. xox

Oh, my goodness! That's really sweet of you to say that, Scandi! :blushing:

That's interesting what you're saying about the Columbia River. To me, chances are, Kyron isn't even all the way in the river, but along the road somewhere in a marshy place. That's sort of where they've been searching, but the vegetation is so dense after the summer perhaps a flood is exactly what is needed for a body to emerge. JMOO

 

[Harley]

Laci and her baby were not skeletonized were they?
.

 

[miabellamoure]

Laci and her baby were not skeletonized were they?
.

No, you are correct.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90689&page=1

Investigators have refused to comment about the specific condition of the remains, but there were reports that only a decaying torso was found, and it was not possible to get fingerprints. A full-term, decaying male fetus with the umbilical cord still attached was found Sunday, about a mile away.

 

[sarx]

Laci and her baby were not skeletonized were they?
.

Peterson's body was so badly decomposed it barely looked like a body after it was found in San Francisco Bay last month. However, the autopsy report showed her cervix was intact.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90600&page=1

 

[scandi]

Peterson's body was so badly decomposed it barely looked like a body after it was found in San Francisco Bay last month. However, the autopsy report showed her cervix was intact.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90600&page=1

No, it wasn't skeletonized.

During that case I got to know Gene Ralston, the captain who did the sonar work to try and locate her. In short, his sonar did pick up a body lying on the floor of the Bay in the return channel to Richmond Harbor. He did get film of that body. The next day they were unable to go out because of the weather. And when they did get back out the body had moved. At that point when he saw the body on his monitor it was only held down by one weight.

After the remains washed up on shore, Gene told me he was able to verify that it was Laci he had seen on the bay floor that day because there was something that matched on that body to the one which washed ashore.

That film was inadvertently included on the film he gave to the
On The Record show where I saw it shown on TV and about fainted, seeing right away it was the body of a female. I got out of bed, got out my drawing pencil and did a sketch of what I saw. I still have the scan on disc I had made of it but have no idea how to link it here. I think it has to get linked to a site. It was the most profound experience of my life watching that body being moved in place, slightly back and forth by the tide, and will never forget it. xox

Sorry for the 'lil bit of OT ;}