All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[Horace Finklestein]

I think this Judge should stop the circus. He should order Mn to bring the records to him and he will see to it that the defense has opportunity to look at the documents. This is twice now that the defense has tried to look. This Judge will get it under control, but he is going to see to it that the defense has that opportunity. It must be reasonable! For whatever reason, Mn does not have the ability to complete the task. It must be brought under control to respect the Judges order. IMO

They chose to leave because the media was there. That is total nonsense. The media wouldn't have been in the room with them. Can't you tell this is another ploy for sympathy and getting their way from the judge? Why would media presence prevent them from doing their job?

 

[Anais]

I think this Judge should stop the circus. He should order Mn to bring the records to him and he will see to it that the defense has opportunity to look at the documents. This is twice now that the defense has tried to look. This Judge will get it under control, but he is going to see to it that the defense has that opportunity. It must be reasonable! For whatever reason, Mn does not have the ability to complete the task. It must be brought under control to respect the Judges order. IMO

Hmmm as far as I can tell Mr. Nejame has indeed respected the order and complied. Nothing prevented the defense from staying and viewing the documents as far as I can tell. It seems rather odd that when the SA went to view they had no problems. JMO

 

[Anais]

They chose to leave because the media was there. That is total nonsense. The media wouldn't have been in the room with them. Can't you tell this is another ploy for sympathy and getting their way from the judge? Why would media presence prevent them from doing their job?

BBM


I am certain that judge Perry will not buy into the defense's ploys for sympathy nor will he find their games amusing at this point.

 

[notthatsmart]

Do you know something we don't? What happened to prevent the defense from looking at the documents?

Of course I dont know anything anyone does not know.

The first time, the defense hired experts to look at the documents and Mn refused to let them see them. That was said in court by Mn. Now you could make that argument that it was a copy company if you want, but they did send a company to look at the documents. I do not see any problem with the defense hiring a company to look at the documents for them, someone with expertise. We all hire subcontractors when we don't have the expertise ourselves.

This time, for whatever reason, and I do not know what that is, the defense left. Now it is speculation that there was a problem. The press said they stormed off. What does that mean? Did Mn let the press into the room where they were studying the docs? I have no idea. Perhaps they plan to come back and all it was was a short viewing. I am not sure the defense was prevented from looking at the docs. Are you? The fact that Mn refused to comment raises my hinky meter. You know more than I do in these situations where people are not reasonable. I would think that at some point the Judge would intervene and make sure the order by Judge Strickland is carried out. What am I missing here? Did the Judge not order TES to provide the docs? Do we have to play tit for tat? Do you not think the Judge will take control of this situation? Do you think that the Judge is just going to say too bad to the defense, you had your chance? And how does that give Kc a fair trial? Tes needs to provide the documents in an secure environment for the defense to look at. IMO

 

[notthatsmart]

Hmmm as far as I can tell Mr. Nejame has indeed respected the order and complied. Nothing prevented the defense from staying and viewing the documents as far as I can tell. It seems rather odd that when the SA went to view they had no problems. JMO

Why do we think there was a problem? How do we know they are not going to come back and finish up?

 

[notthatsmart]

They chose to leave because the media was there. That is total nonsense. The media wouldn't have been in the room with them. Can't you tell this is another ploy for sympathy and getting their way from the judge? Why would media presence prevent them from doing their job?

How do you know they chose to leave because the media was there?

How do you know the media wasn't in the room?

 

[The World According]

...... sad, tired, and pitiful. Hysterical denial aside.... this stunt of theirs is a disaster for their client. They are already in the weeds with the new judge...way to lower the bar. He is going to treat them like children that need to be scolded. Any good will they may have enjoyed from a would be clean slate is gone because they disrespect court orders and this is a glaring, fresh example he can use to take them to school. He will do it, publicly, and I hope Casey comes to a understanding that it is not funny, it is not charming, and this is not a game. That has been lost on her so far.

 

[Anais]

Why do we think there was a problem? How do we know they are not going to come back and finish up?

You may find the answer to your question here.

"A source said officials with Texas EquuSearch want the new judge in the case, Belvin Perry, to weigh in because they're they are fed up with playing the waiting game with Anthony's defense."

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/23270394/detail.html

 

[notthatsmart]

Your blaming MN for Baez not doing what the JS ordered?

MN kept Baez from violating a court order!

I am not blaming anyone. I was just stating fact. I am not aware of Jb violating a court order. Is there something wrong with the Judge ordering Tes to provide the documents in a secure environment?

 

[sumbunny]

Of course I dont know anything anyone does not know.

The first time, the defense hired experts to look at the documents and Mn refused to let them see them. That was said in court by Mn. Now you could make that argument that it was a copy company if you want, but they did send a company to look at the documents. I do not see any problem with the defense hiring a company to look at the documents for them, someone with expertise. We all hire subcontractors when we don't have the expertise ourselves.

This time, for whatever reason, and I do not know what that is, the defense left. Now it is speculation that there was a problem. The press said they stormed off. What does that mean? Did Mn let the press into the room where they were studying the docs? I have no idea. Perhaps they plan to come back and all it was was a short viewing. I am not sure the defense was prevented from looking at the docs. Are you? The fact that Mn refused to comment raises my hinky meter. You know more than I do in these situations where people are not reasonable. I would think that at some point the Judge would intervene and make sure the order by Judge Strickland is carried out. What am I missing here? Did the Judge not order TES to provide the docs? Do we have to play tit for tat? Do you not think the Judge will take control of this situation? Do you think that the Judge is just going to say too bad to the defense, you had your chance? And how does that give Kc a fair trial? Tes needs to provide the documents in an secure environment for the defense to look at. IMO

I believe MN said baez sent a copying company to come and copy the files, not experts...

 

[Anais]

I believe MN said baez sent a copying company to come and copy the files, not experts...

You are correct. At the last hearing with Judge Strickland Nejame stated that JB had sent a copying company to come in and make copies of the records.

 

[logicalgirl]

...... sad, tired, and pitiful. Hysterical denial aside.... this stunt of theirs is a disaster for their client. They are already in the weeds with the new judge...way to lower the bar. He is going to treat them like children that need to be scolded. Any good will they may have enjoyed from a would be clean slate is gone because they disrespect court orders and this is a glaring, fresh example he can use to take them to school. He will do it, publicly, and I hope Casey comes to a understanding that it is not funny, it is not charming, and this is not a game. That has been lost on her so far.

Plus how long has it been since Judge Strickland ruled on the first motion - and followed up later with the second one> Months? Eight months?

Judge Strickland ruled the documents must be viewed by the Defense in Nejames offices and not removed. That also includes copying by an hired independent source and removing those copies from Nejames offices. The whole point of this exercise is to secure the confidentiality of these 4000 searchers, who DID NOT search the area in which Caylee was found.

 

[notthatsmart]

I would agree with your statement...however, the defense has opted to try this case in the media...via publicity stunts. Remember, the defense, not the prosecution, has opted for a media blitz. They wanted this. They chose this. Regardless of the sunshine laws. The defense chose to go before the cameras. It is hardly their fault that their client appears unsympathetic. And most of us would agree, no matter what she does, she does not appear to be innocent.

The defense has done that true. The state has done that through sunshine.
In any event, the Judge has to consider Kc's right to a fair trial when making decisions. He may be angry that this is a circus, but he needs to get it under control. Obviously Judge Strickland agreed that the defense should have this option to use the press, otherwise he would have approved a gag order. Is anyone stopping the SA from asking the new Judge for a gag order?

 

[AZlawyer]

Of course I dont know anything anyone does not know.

The first time, the defense hired experts to look at the documents and Mn refused to let them see them. That was said in court by Mn. Now you could make that argument that it was a copy company if you want, but they did send a company to look at the documents. I do not see any problem with the defense hiring a company to look at the documents for them, someone with expertise. We all hire subcontractors when we don't have the expertise ourselves.

This time, for whatever reason, and I do not know what that is, the defense left. Now it is speculation that there was a problem. The press said they stormed off. What does that mean? Did Mn let the press into the room where they were studying the docs? I have no idea. Perhaps they plan to come back and all it was was a short viewing. I am not sure the defense was prevented from looking at the docs. Are you? The fact that Mn refused to comment raises my hinky meter. You know more than I do in these situations where people are not reasonable. I would think that at some point the Judge would intervene and make sure the order by Judge Strickland is carried out. What am I missing here? Did the Judge not order TES to provide the docs? Do we have to play tit for tat? Do you not think the Judge will take control of this situation? Do you think that the Judge is just going to say too bad to the defense, you had your chance? And how does that give Kc a fair trial? Tes needs to provide the documents in an secure environment for the defense to look at. IMO

They did not hire "experts" to look at the documents. Who would qualify as an expert "volunteer form inspector," anyway? They hired a copy company to copy the documents, which was expressly prohibited by the order. Also, any first-year lawyer would know that when you are granted limited permission to look at confidential documents and "tag" those you want to be released from confidentiality, you can not subcontract that job if you didn't get permission from the judge for yet another "set of eyes" to see those documents.

I have no idea what you mean by a "secure environment." If the docs were sitting in MN's office, that was a "secure environment." If the media was hanging around outside, that changes nothing. I am 100% certain that the media was not in the room with JB, just as I am 100% certain that MN did not fill the room with rabid squirrels. There is a point at which speculation becomes silliness.

I agree that the new judge will take control and end the game playing.

 

[Anais]

I would agree with your statement...however, the defense has opted to try this case in the media...via publicity stunts. Remember, the defense, not the prosecution, has opted for a media blitz. They wanted this. They chose this. Regardless of the sunshine laws. The defense chose to go before the cameras. It is hardly their fault that their client appears unsympathetic. And most of us would agree, no matter what she does, she does not appear to be innocent.

And after all of their media blitzing they now cry "Our client cannot get a fair trial" and request a COV! The irony is indeed rich.

 

[notthatsmart]

You are correct. At the last hearing with Judge Strickland Nejame stated that JB had sent a copying company to come in and make copies of the records.

I will go look for docs on that. I am not sure they came there to copy. I do not remember Mn saying they requested to do any copying.

What is the option for the Judge here? Scratch the order? I mean is he going to punish Jb by keeping these records from the defense? This is Judge Stan Stricklands order, not Jb's . Do you think the new Judge is just going to wipe that out?

 

[Anais]

I will go look for docs on that. I am not sure they came there to copy. I do not remember Mn saying they requested to do any copying.

What is the option for the Judge here? Scratch the order? I mean is he going to punish Jb by keeping these records from the defense? This is Judge Stan Stricklands order, not Jb's . Do you think the new Judge is just going to wipe that out?

Yes it is a fact that Baez hired a copying company to come in and make copies of all of the records, which they argued over with Judge S. at the last hearing. Judge S. agreed with MN and Equissearch. He ordered The defense to view the records in the office and tag them. I do not know what Judge Perry will do. However, he can simply order Baez et al to go and view the reords by a certain date or live without them at all. Period. I do know for certain he will see straight through this nonsense.

 

[AZlawyer]

I will go look for docs on that. I am not sure they came there to copy. I do not remember Mn saying they requested to do any copying.

What is the option for the Judge here? Scratch the order? I mean is he going to punish Jb by keeping these records from the defense? This is Judge Stan Stricklands order, not Jb's . Do you think the new Judge is just going to wipe that out?

I think the new judge will enforce the order, which prohibits JB from copying the documents and allows him to review the documents.

 

[logicalgirl]

Why do we think there was a problem? How do we know they are not going to come back and finish up?

Because the SA stated at the last hearing it took them six hours to COMPLETE THE TASK.

Let's also remember NeJame personally had copies of the 34 files of the TES searchers who were in the area, hand delivered to JB's Offices.

AND if JB doubts this is the complete list, he was sanctioned to go to NeJames offices to tab those files he wanted copies of and discuss them with the Judge.

 

[cecybeans]

I believe MN said baez sent a copying company to come and copy the files, not experts...

Exactly! The judge set it up so that the documents would be viewed privately at MN's offices and only by the eyes of the defense team to protect the privacy of the volunteers. They were not to leave the secure environment of MN's office. Notes were not even allowed during the viewing (until specific documents of interest could be marked and approved by the judge). JB first sent over a team to copy the documents and take them back to his office(not in the spirit or the exact words of the ruling), secondly he tried to circumvent the ruling again by asking for all the documents to be faxed to his office. Both scenarios are unsecure (wonder how he intended to keep the autopsy pictures from getting out if he thought that was a protection of privacy?)

The stipulation was that the defense team could review the documents at the secure location and TAG any items they thought would be of interest and petition their inclusion into evidence by the judge, IIRC.

The entire idea was to protect the privacy of volunteers by having the only the ones deemed relevant (ie: near or in the area of the search where the remains were found) subject to scrutiny and that only after a judge had ruled on their release.

Removing the documents in any way, shape or form (either as originals or as copies) was NOT part of the letter or the spirit of the judge's ruling. This is a very cut and dried sort of thing imo, and I don't see how JB's subsequent behavior could be seen as anything other than rude or obstructive.