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  • #481
Guess I just don't see it. Ca is kind of a mess during it and really no useful information. Kc made some statements that may be useful, however Jb said that Kc has a compelling reason for her actions, and that may trump all that. IMO
Yup, I'm still waiting for that aha moment. If he already has the "goods" so to speak, why is looking at the searchers so important? Does he want someone to definitely say that they were standing in the very spot Caylee was found while Casey was in jail? That they even have time stamp photos to prove it? Are these same people somehow related to JW?
 
  • #482
:waitasec: Do you know which interviews? I think I might go and check myself.


ETA:
nevermind...not sure I have enough time or brain cells for this one.

Really, the only thing this is, is a straw. One of many straws the defense is grasping at. I think what we will see in May is a well laid out theory on what the SA thinks happened.

You can find JJ's interviews here along with other TES volunteers, look on the left for the section titled "Transcripts released 3/23/10" http://www.wftv.com/news/24267000/detail.html
 
  • #483
Guess I just don't see it. Ca is kind of a mess during it and really no useful information. Kc made some statements that may be useful, however Jb said that Kc has a compelling reason for her actions, and that may trump all that. IMO

JMO, but Baez has made a number of ((cough)) "interesting" statements to the press about this case. Like most people, I don't lend a great deal of credence to his opinions. There are a growing number of folks who believe this is Jose's "last stand" (aka his LAST opportunity before he is disbarred by FLA). We can't forget about former teammate Macaluso with his declarations as well. Hmmm....Feb. 1st deadline anyone? Anyone? Now we have the not-so-smart statements of teammate Cheney Mason. OUCH---NOW we're talking about someone being "kind of a mess". JMO!
 
  • #484
TWA ~ Thank you so much for putting all that information together so well!
 
  • #485
Cindy Anthony: If we can prove that someone put the body there while KC was in jail...that would be huge. (TV coverage)
Macaluso: We have proof the body was placed there while KC was in jail. (hearing)
Todd Black: The loss of life of this little girl (statement)
Michael Baden: Chloroform in the hair. (on national TV)
Terence Lenamon: Result of an accidental overdose. (in memo to Judge)
George Anthony: The body in the back of my daughters car is NOT my granddaughter. (on TV)
KC: Don't worry I haven't said anything. (jail visitation)

THese comments are paraphrased from my own memory. I think we call all recall the gist though.

Just food for thought.

My point I suppose.......when one hangs the moon on reasonable doubt.....it goes both ways. JMO
 
  • #486
TWA - as usual thank you for standing up for the real heroes - the machinations of a desperate defense may try to use decent, upstanding people as red herrings for this farce of a case, but there is no reason for the general public to comment on them, unless they have decided to go public of their own accord like JW. I feel sorry for every one of KC's friends and acquaintances who have been punished over and over for having known her before and while Caylee was killed, but using people who showed up to look for Caylee because her own mother refused to tell the truth (and sat on her butt in jail or went to her attorney's office every day with nothing to do but look for ways to exploit her dead daughter) - who invested their own time, money and hearts to help this child - as cheap fodder for a weak and failing defense is beyond immoral, it should be criminal.

The defense has used a contradictory, scattershot approach that has backfired every step of the way. The fact that JB criticized LE for missing RK's tips in August and simultaneously pursued a lame theory the body wasn't even there speaks volumes - they can't even make up their minds on what strategy to pursue from minute to minute. I haven't seen a talking DEFENSE head yet that thinks anyone can put lipstick on this pig, much less anyone in the general public (who isn't working for the defense in some capacity I'd warrant). Vilifying the person who found Caylee and attempting to dig up dirt on any volunteer who may have helped is beyond disgusting - I think a new circle in hell should be created just for such cheap and evil trickery. It's one thing to put together a case based on someone's alleged innocence, it's quite another to try to create doubt by implicating anyone in proximity.

I agree with you that this family took advantage of the resources locally to give their daughter yet another chance to defraud the public. Her attorney played along and used the opportunity to make a quarter million dollars that apparently exempted him from creating any discernible work product other than sophomoric, whiny motions that have wasted the court's time for two years.

Those 911 calls are critical for two reasons. One, they show the precise instant in which CA connects the smell of the car to the news that Caylee is officially MIA by her daughter's own admission. That third call shows how it has now ratcheted her mother's interest and is not simply a "stolen" vehicle anymore in light of this news. It is the epitome of "excited utterance". Secondly, the jury will get to hear KC's blase and very disinterested subsequent exchange with the dispatcher on the phone in which it is plain to see she is simply irritated and inconvenienced about having to answer questions about a child she has apparently not seen in over a month and failed to report because she was too busy "looking for her" on her own in bars and shopping malls.

The fact that a group of people have been able to continually profit from the kind of lies that wouldn't fool anyone coming out of the mouth of a five-year-old is just absolutely gobsmackingly awful. Beyond words.

You, my friend, are brilliant!! We miss you so when you are not here. You have profound things to say. I'm so proud of you and all of our other members that step up and speak up for this baby and THE TRUTH!!! You let your conscious be your guide. I learn so much from our members here. Often.
 
  • #487
You, my friend, are brilliant!! We miss you so when you are not here. You have profound things to say. I'm so proud of you and all of our other members that step up and speak up for this baby and THE TRUTH!!! You let your conscious be your guide. I learn so much from our members here. Often.


Thanks kiddo but you are the one that brings it to the table and then some. Not only in elegant summaries but beautifully illustrated with sight and sound. You remind us every day what is important and what so clearly shines through this morass of mendacity. I just take pokes like a little ninja.
 
  • #488
Guess I just don't see it. Ca is kind of a mess during it and really no useful information. Kc made some statements that may be useful, however Jb said that Kc has a compelling reason for her actions, and that may trump all that. IMO

You are certainly right on the fact that Casey has a compelling reason for her actions. She is motivated to get her head out of the hangman's noose. That is her and her defense team's motivation for everything from trying to shift blame to anyone remotely connected to the discovery of sweet Caylee's murder. Can we count the numbers? Can we count the cost to each of these innocent people? Kronk, Amy, Tony, the other Tony, the senior and junior Gurnds ~ and too, too many for me to remember right now. But to think that now they would even wish to have open access to thousands of volunteer searchers to also aim their poison darts at is totally unacceptable. I cannot understand how anyone would think this is fair. Anyone who does not comprehend that too many innocent bystanders' lives have already been injured by this farce is incomprehensible to me.
And now you believe thousands more of the volunteers should be subjected to the same insult? I don't understand how you or the defense team thinks this is profitable.
I'm only a regular person, no heroics, my son and I volunteered; our taxes are now paying for her defense ~ and now we will be reviewed for any suspicious motivations? No, no, no. This is wrong on so many levels.
Certainly the jury would see this as a despicable act ~ but it should never even get that far. . .
Edited to add: NTS, I am not trying to bring attention to the fact that I volunteered. Far from that; it was a blessing to try to help. But I am trying to ask you to put yourself in my and my son's shoes and see how your perspective might be changed had you been a participant. It has changed me. I'm not sure I would ever volunteer again because of this backlash. I pray I would still care more for the victim than whoever the killer may be but I would have to think long and hard. Wouldn't you? If you had volunteered (or maybe you did; did you?) wouldn't you feel differently?
How can you think this is fair or even-handed?
 
  • #489
According to what Mason said yesterday they will have access to all the documents and be able to take notes on anything they wish. http://www.wftv.com/video/24286317/index.html.

That totally goes against Judge S's order for them to flag any files they wanted copies of then he would review them and decide, correct?

I hope Judge P is going to write an order regarding this so we know if Baez and Mason interpreted it correctly.

BBM
Me too, I'd like to read for myself what the Judge has granted.
 
  • #490
Yup, I'm still waiting for that aha moment. If he already has the "goods" so to speak, why is looking at the searchers so important? Does he want someone to definitely say that they were standing in the very spot Caylee was found while Casey was in jail? That they even have time stamp photos to prove it? Are these same people somehow related to JW?

It is my opinion that they have the right to investigate. They would get just as much criticism if they didn't investigate. IMO There is nothing wrong with investigating to get to the truth for Caylee. IMO
 
  • #491
JMO, but Baez has made a number of ((cough)) "interesting" statements to the press about this case. Like most people, I don't lend a great deal of credence to his opinions. There are a growing number of folks who believe this is Jose's "last stand" (aka his LAST opportunity before he is disbarred by FLA). We can't forget about former teammate Macaluso with his declarations as well. Hmmm....Feb. 1st deadline anyone? Anyone? Now we have the not-so-smart statements of teammate Cheney Mason. OUCH---NOW we're talking about someone being "kind of a mess". JMO!

Jurors will be instructed to listen to both sides. There will be no instructions to give Jb less credence.. IMO
 
  • #492
Jurors will be instructed to listen to both sides. There will be no instructions to give Jb less credence.. IMO

Nor will there be any need to do so.
 
  • #493
By the time those people were searching, Caylee had been a corpse for anywhere from two to four and a half months. What possible relevance could that have to this case and who killed her? The earliest anybody in the public even found out about it was after she was "missing" for over a month. None of them have any contact or are known to Casey or any other family member. Involving total strangers this long after the actual fact is simply ludicrous, imo.
 
  • #494
Guess I just don't see it. Ca is kind of a mess during it and really no useful information. Kc made some statements that may be useful, however Jb said that Kc has a compelling reason for her actions, and that may trump all that. IMO

Yes, her compulsion was a guy called Tony.
 
  • #495
I do think its fair. If I were to volunteer to search i would expect everything to be public. Where I work at a school, there are camera's everywhere. It is all public. This would not stop me from searching for a small child. I am not saying all these names are fair game, I do believe it must be controlled through the courts. The Judge must believe the same thing. He is allowing it. The volunteers are saints in my opinion and I have nothing but respect for them. If they have no important information, then nothing will come of it. IMO
It is not fair! nts, everything was public! It was the public that was searching for Caylee.
The judge is allowing what?
They (we) are not saints! These seem like word games. If you really thought they were saints then certainly you know they would come forth with any information they have. Please do not confuse people who care about the abuse of children with martyrs! Not even saints. Thousands of people should not be exposed to the same abuse Casey's acquaintances have already suffered.
Oh, and there were a couple of questions in my original post you ignored. Could you please tell me those answers?
 
  • #496
Okay, just to get this straight. In JJ interview 1 and 2 he mentions several names of searchers that searched with him that day down by the fence. The Le interviewed these people and the even provided pictures of them pointing to trees to show where the water level was. I believe I found these interviews on Wftv web site. In these interviews, people said they also searched on suburban on their own. Have you even read these interviews? This has been public news for some time. Would it not be nice if they came out with a specific list of 32 people names and all withing 50 yards of the remains. That is just not reality. We have to figure that out through reading docs. I never said Bf was a searcher, it seems he is a doc handler and is mentioned in JJ's interviews.. I just put 2 and 2 together and see it as a conflict in my opinion and I have a right to my opinion. thanks

Wonder why Baez doesn't confound us all and produce the evidence that Macaluso said proved Caylee was dumped when Casey was incarcerated? He was supposed to produce it in- what, February 2010? With bombshell evidence like that he could create a sensation and we wouldn't have to worry about who was searching where. Why do you suppose he hasn't?
 
  • #497
By the time those people were searching, Caylee had been a corpse for anywhere from two to four and a half months. What possible relevance could that have to this case and who killed her? The earliest anybody in the public even found out about it was after she was "missing" for over a month. None of them have any contact or are known to Casey or any other family member. Involving total strangeers this long after the actual fact is simply ludicrous, imo.

Well that is the opinion of a botonist that went off of pictures in my opinion. Can't wait to see how that comes out in court. I do not know that Caylee was a corpse for that long, have not seen any proof of that. IMO The relevance would not be to who killed her, but to who didn't kill her. IMO As time goes on, some want to state these things as facts when they are questionable and are still questionable in my opinion. The 31 days is the date that some have come to believe is the date Caylee became missing, not the date she died. IMO Has the state now said they know when Caylee died? I have not seen that doc, I have only seen guestimates. IMO
 
  • #498
Getting dizzy here......get it???? Got it??? Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #499
It is not fair! nts, everything was public! It was the public that was searching for Caylee.
The judge is allowing what?
They (we) are not saints! These seem like word games. If you really thought they were saints then certainly you know they would come forth with any information they have. Please do not confuse people who care about the abuse of children with martyrs! Not even saints. Thousands of people should not be exposed to the same abuse Casey's acquaintances have already suffered.
Oh, and there were a couple of questions in my original post you ignored. Could you please tell me those answers?

I do not see Tl, Ah, or Rk as tes volunteers so I can not compare in any way. I am not confused. I am sorry for using the word saints. Let me just say, I have very much respect for anyone who volunteers to search for missing children. The Judge is allowing the defense to take notes while looking over the tes docs. IMO That is a huge change from Judge S order. IMO Kc's acquaintances have not suffered from anything the defense has done in my opinion. Rk said himself, he would expect to be investigated. IMO I would too, I want the truth for Caylee and I would be more than willing to answer questions for either side. I find it to be my civic duty. It appears we disagree on what is suffered abuse, but I hope I answered all your questions.
 
  • #500
What galls me is that this is establishing a precedent that all volunteers should be beyond reproach. Perfect. Willing to be investigated. Without blemish. Volunteers come from real, public people. None of us are perfect. Do we want to sacrifice volunteerism to ensure that one self-absorbed mother's trial leaves no stone unturned? Is this practical?
Personally thank God I have nothing to hide (not even a single traffic ticket), but I am sure there were plenty of good hearted people out there on those TES searches that would rather not have their life history exposed. Nice thank you and great encouragement to do it again the next opportunity, huh? And for what? How can anyone not be offended by a suspect's rights over ruling thousands of peoples' intent at question? TES did and does have screening in place to sift out undesirables. If we want the public to participate then we have to have some protection from persecution of them in place. No?
 
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