All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[The World According]

Don't anyone worry over this at all. The state has got this! Judge Perry has got this!! Mr. Baez has much, much bigger problems with likely bar investigations to face. Mr. Mason has his political case he is thrilled to have. He will continue his laissez-faire, phone it in limited efforts as he has already admitted the outcome of a guilty verdict is all but certain. Long after the Casey Anthony case TES will continue to do work of the Angels.
The only constant on the Casey Anthony defense team is change.
View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf

 

[notthatsmart]

Don't anyone worry over this at all. The state has got this! Judge Perry has got this!! Mr. Baez has much, much bigger problems with likely bar investigations to face. Mr. Mason has his political case he is thrilled to have. He will continue his laissez-faire, phone it in limited efforts as he has already admitted the outcome of a guilty verdict is all but certain. Long after the Casey Anthony case TES will continue to do work of the Angels.

The defense will now focus for the week on trying to deflect the Defense tries to blame George Anthony news cycle. TES volunteers are not going to be taken down by two poorly prepared lawyers who have proven themselves over and over again to be wrong on the facts and wrong on the law. They are going to need whoever replaces them to try to bring their A game by trial time. IMO Mason will bail and Baez will be removed before we get to trial. The only constant on the Casey Anthony defense team is change.

Is Cm under a bar investigation? This is news to me. Why? what did he do?

 

[Intermezzo]

Don't anyone worry over this at all. The state has got this! Judge Perry has got this!! Mr. Baez has much, much bigger problems with likely bar investigations to face. Mr. Mason has his political case he is thrilled to have. He will continue his laissez-faire, phone it in limited efforts as he has already admitted the outcome of a guilty verdict is all but certain. Long after the Casey Anthony case TES will continue to do work of the Angels.
The only constant on the Casey Anthony defense team is change.

Is Cm under a bar investigation? This is news to me. Why? what did he do?

bien alors,
That is not what TWA posted..see BOLD above.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Thank you for pointing that out about Bf.
Yes waiting on a ruling from the Judge, I agree. I am assuming. lol
The words several and few is a matter of opinion, however a few is fine with me.
Number 3. What are we talking about here a tos violation? Can we not talk about JJ or Bf or any of them? This is new to me and I will certainly stop all chat about tes if it is a violation of tos. thanks

Yes.

It is against TOS to sleuth out any member of WS.

WS MEMBER = NO SLEUTHING OR DISCUSSION

WS has many members who are volunteers for TES throughout the country.
(Some, J.Jordan for example, have been listed in court documents)


WS MEMBER + TES VOLUNTEER = NO SLEUTHING OR DISCUSSION

 

[cecybeans]

Why don't you just put your real name , demographic details, work information on this site, and out there in all the Florida public records, if releasing that information means nothing to you? That is what you are asking from every TES searcher...

Absolutely! Of course any searcher who actually FOUND something would expect their names and private info to be involved, that was certainly implicit when they signed up with TES. And that is fair. What is not fair, however, is for anyone who searched with no results (which was everyone I believe) to have the same information bandied about in the public. They are irrelevant and therefore deserve anonymity.

Particularly when the bandying about is done for the sole purpose of trying to create a smoke and mirrors defense for a defendant and a family that have done nothing but lie and refuse to cooperate. It is simply to manufacture doubt where no reasonable doubt exists.

Just like not trusting a botanist can make an educated guess from a photograph. If someone can show me an article that says that a scientific opinion from a photograph in this specific casewould in some way not be reliable then I would question it. Simply saying that a photograph is unreliable is not an educated opinion; it's the obstinacy of a prejudiced layperson, imo.

This is not about erasing all possible doubt in the universe that something could occur. It's about eliminating reasonable doubt. Operative word here is reasonable. And that was eliminated for about 99% of the public at least a year ago. This case doesn't depend on microscopic evidence, the forensics simply substantiate what is already apparent to all rational thinkers without an agenda. Like a jury.

 

[RR0004]

If Tim Miller says he wasn't able to search the area where Caylee was found, then IMO that's that. I'd believe him over ANYONE else in a heartbeat. Enough said.

 

[Mamabear1963]

I think the biggest problem people are having with giving out of private information is how it will be handled.

For instance, are we just trying to make sure the area was searched well, or as well as could be expected.

or

Are they grasping at straws, creating a smoke screen or worse trying to plant the murder on someone else?

In a way it all depends which bias you are coming to the table with...are you assuming KC is completely innocent and that absolutely there was a nanny who took Caylee, knowing that there would be a TES search, then came around after the searches and planted the body...plausible right? Oh but there is no nanny...

Are we assuming that KC is lying from the beginning, that nothing she has said has proved true and the evidence is pointing to her...and no one else?

I for one would not want to be under JB's microscope, I think he could put a spin on anyone...

 

[LambChop]

Defense is scattered. First we heard from JB, himself, that when we heard KC's story we would understand. This tells me he has inside information, right? Then it was RK is a suspect because he used duct tape on his ex-wife. Then it was Todd M stating that "We have proof someone else placed the body there while KC was in jail." Sounds pretty confident that they have a suspect. Now they have to search all TES records (even the one's from people who live out-of-state) because there could be a potential suspect. They have nothing and their own investigative methods are making that quite clear. JB admitted the only reason they want to look at them is to search people's names to see if they have a criminal history, of what killing small children or just getting a traffic ticket because your child was not wearing a seat belt?

This should be interesting. In a few weeks they will have 9 months to get ready for trial and all they can do is cancel depositions. JB you have bigger fish to fry than TES, waste of time, waste of money. jmo

 

[The World According]

Of course this would be the response I would expect anyone to give. People don't think about giving personal information over the phone to telemarketers either. The general public rattles off far too much personal information more often than you think. However, these telemarketers are not out to destroy your reputation and life. Take your money maybe.

We, the majority that have issues with JB attempting to get this private and personal information of TES volunteers to be used to establish an SODDI theory.

Private investigators have tools that go beyond looking at public records (DC not included in this by the way). I have resources available to me that I could do the same thing. Legally mind you, but I could call in a few favors and find out info about people their spouses don't know. This is what they do for a living. Digging up dirt, whether true or not. JB doesn't care.

Just to give you a basic example; these investigators MAY want to know their sexual preferences, their spending habits, whether they are drug dependent or alcoholics, if they are having affairs outside their marriage, foreclosure or bankruptcy info, their FICO scores, insurance information (which is legally available by the way) the church you attend and how much you tithe. This is just a basic example of what they will do to these volunteers. And they can and will also surmise an opinion, be it right or wrong and publish this information on the internet for all to view.

I am not saying that TES volunteers have anything to hide, not my business, not yours or anyone else.

HHJP has stated HE ALONE will decide what JB can use and what he can not.
So in essence it has become a mute point; but if you are ok with giving your social security number to someone who has no right to view it, by all means go ahead, but don't cry afterwards that you didn't understand why it was asked for.

I am done.

You have zeroed in on the problem, perfectly. Now that we see the defense is willing to spend the taxpayers money , looking into pop's suicide, we see the desperate no boundaries tactics they will use. The examples you give are spot on. The defense is indeed looking for the some other dude, they are looking high and they are looking low.

I am happy that nothing, not one single page, is going anywhere in the public eye, save and except through Judge Perry's careful examination. He is keenly aware of the Kronking the defense wants to do. It is not going to happen, not on his watch. The big dog is guarding the house now!!!!! I have good faith in him. View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf

Thank you so much Kentjbkent for reminding us about the terms of service. The only thing that separates w/s from the trashy, irresponsible boards is our standards. It is because of high standards that our board is widely respected. We respect all of our members. I am very proud of that.

Like TES, everyone that works here tirelessly is a volunteer. Thank you to all of the mods who volunteer to keep W/S above the fray. In addition to your busy careers and families I marvel at how you do it.

 

[The World According]

If Tim Miller says he wasn't able to search the area where Caylee was found, then IMO that's that. I'd believe him over ANYONE else in a heartbeat. Enough said.

Can you imagine, they have time and are willing to spend money talking to the hotel staff where pop was, yet they have yet to interview TIM MILLER?

They don't want to hear what he has to say. I post this every chance I get, because Mr. Miller explaining that George asked Casey to put an X on the map so the TES workers would know the general area to look for Caylee's body is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE.

George's best friend telling Mr. Miller that George knows all of the answers are right there (pointing to Casey's bedroom) "And she wont talk", pretty much assures us that it was known to the family from jump that the baby was not missing and that Casey was responsible.


View attachment Mr. Miller interview.pdf
HUGE!!!
It makes everything thereafter very transparent, imo an effort to cover up for Casey, at all costs. Poor Caylee could have been found and given a Christian burial immediately rather than be tossed out, decaying in the elements. It is reprehensible that the baby was in the woods and Casey was dancing and partying and cooking for her new boy. The hard working taxpayers of the jury are going to be wholly offended and it will take away any would be sympathy for her growing up Anthony. IMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

Well that is the opinion of a botonist that went off of pictures in my opinion. Can't wait to see how that comes out in court. I do not know that Caylee was a corpse for that long, have not seen any proof of that. IMO The relevance would not be to who killed her, but to who didn't kill her. IMO As time goes on, some want to state these things as facts when they are questionable and are still questionable in my opinion. The 31 days is the date that some have come to believe is the date Caylee became missing, not the date she died. IMO Has the state now said they know when Caylee died? I have not seen that doc, I have only seen guestimates. IMO

Your saying "that is the opinion of a botanist that went off of picture in my opinion' is akin to my saying that the expert Neuroradiologist who just read my MRI was "just going off of pictures' to render his opinion.

That's what expert opinions are, a combination of years of study, experience, skill, an accumulation of specialized knowledge that is used to assess information and they are light years ahead of the average person, such as you and I in making a determination. Their career, reputations, and in the case of medical personnel, the lives of their patients,depend on accuracy.

 

[LambChop]

Didn't they take plant material from the remains site. Wasn't there plant life growing and entangled within the bones. So why would experts have to go by pictures if the plant life was taken into evidence. Maybe to see how it was intertwined in the remains but I would imagine that is all they ever get in any case. LE is not about to let the remains stay there until an expert can come out to look at it and venture an opinion. LE recovered most of her bones which were scattered. Worked many extra days to secure those bones to give an accurate picture of how Caylee might have died. Anything at the remains site could benefit KC if she were innocent or will go against her if she is guilty. That is a fact.

Clearly anyone whose intent it was to kill the child would have put the body somewhere else other than where it was found. A pond with wildlife or a trip to the nearby ocean. They would have had the advantage of cover, no one would know who they were (clearly as JB contends that he still does not know himself). Dropping the body down the street shows desperation to get rid of the body fast. KC giving obvious clues to where Caylee could be found, (i.e. she's close to home, between 9 and 1, etc.). KC likes to play the "guess what" game to see how far she can carry off her "mistruths" such as walking to the end of the hallway at Universal.

It isn't complicated, it's really easy and that is what the jurors will see IMO. The family can't help her and no matter what they say now will only make it worse. If they tell the truth, they admit they were lying to cover up that they believed KC killed Caylee. If they lie they'll get caught and it will look like they believe KC killed Caylee. They are trapped by their own misdeeds and misstatements, and rightfully so. jmo

 

[The World According]

View attachment Tes compilation.doc

The experts for the state have reviewed the actual evidence and both Jeff and Linda have informed Judge Perry in the two recent hearings that several times they
a) offered to send the actual plant evidence to the defense experts
b) invited the defense experts to come to examine the evidence

If anyone is working off of photos only...you can lay that blame where it belongs, the defense lawyer's feet. Let's just be clear on that.

 

[marspiter]

Well it's been 5 days since the hearing. Has the defense set up a proposed schedule with the Special Magistrate and MN's office to view these records? Being that these records are so vitally important to the defenses case I would figure there would be a proposed schedule in place with in hours of exiting the court room. I understand that MN had indicated that he is going to file a motion for bad faith. Does the defense have to wait for a hearing on that motion? With these files being so "important" I would think the defense would be on the ball with getting this schedule, but then again lets consider how slowly the defense has been moving with this issue. Which to me spells more smoke and mirrors or fishing then actually believing their is anything of real evidential value there.

Talk is cheap I'll just wait and see how long it takes the defense to go look at these "important" records. I would think it's the defenses responsibility to set up and coordinate a scheduled meeting since they are the ones that want the info.

The directions from the very beginning have been very clear to the defense. Go look at the records and report anything you want to the court to determine relevance. Those directions are still the same. The only difference is the defense will give it to the special magistrate who will then give it to the judge (since the defense couldn't seem to do it themselves). The only other change is the defense being allowed to take notes. These notes however will not be made public, and it would be imperative for the defense to make sure these "notes" don't become public because it would constitute work product. Which could open a can of worms for the defense imho.

 

[ThinkTank]

I believe the frantic digging into the TES searchers is just desperation, and also smoke and mirrors.
I believe that diversion comments on this forum and others are an effort to distract web forums from discussing the real target(s) of the Defense.
I believe the Defense is more focused on targeting GEORGE and nailing him as the some-other-dude-did-it defense.

 

[RR0004]

Can you imagine, they have time and are willing to spend money talking to the hotel staff where pop was, yet they have yet to interview TIM MILLER?

They don't want to hear what he has to say. I post this every chance I get, because Mr. Miller explaining that George asked Casey to put an X on the map so the TES workers would know the general area to look for Caylee's body is HUGE, HUGE, HUGE.

George's best friend telling Mr. Miller that George knows all of the answers are right there (pointing to Casey's bedroom) "And she wont talk", pretty much assures us that it was known to the family from jump that the baby was not missing and that Casey was responsible.


View attachment 10212
HUGE!!!
It makes everything thereafter very transparent, imo an effort to cover up for Casey, at all costs. Poor Caylee could have been found and given a Christian burial immediately rather than be tossed out, decaying in the elements. It is reprehensible that the baby was in the woods and Casey was dancing and partying and cooking for her new boy. The hard working taxpayers of the jury are going to be wholly offended and it will take away any would be sympathy for her growing up Anthony. IMO

Pretty sad that the defense's angle is to make TM and TES look bad. I mean...who's gonna believe any of that?!
G-d bless you, TM.

 

[The World According]

Our own Mr. Hornsby: " The state is preparing their rebuttal case. "

After the defense has put on their case..the searchers that may claim they searched and the remains were not there..."The prosecution is going to come back with their rebuttal and just destroy them....demonstrate that their witnesses with showing that they are misleading, were dishonest or just plain wrong about what they remember, " Mr. Hornsby said.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1XhJhCVSyw[/ame]

 

[ThinkTank]

“Here you have someone who is a team leader, who's out there with two cadaver dogs at the location where Caylee's remains were found,” Baez said. “What kind of exculpatory information is out there? Who knows.”
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/4/5/lawyers_seek_volunteer_information_in_casey_case.html

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/0...y-of-relativity-and-his-pictures-to-prove-it/
Jose Baez’s Theory of Relativity..and his pictures to prove it
Posted on April 6th, 2010 by Valhall
As we have read in several of the searcher’s accounts recently released, on September 1st the search on Suburban Drive was centered to the east of the school. According to all statements referencing the finding of the dog/animal bones, including Mr. Miller’s statement, dog/animal bones were found out in the area to the east/southeast of the school and Mr. Miller came later in the day to check it out.

Here’s a map for dummies to show the “relative” nature of this. (Mr. Baez, feel free to use it.)
As covered in my previous article, The Searchers: Richard Creque, Joseph Jordan and Danny Ibison, the “cooler” or ice chest and baby blanket Joseph Jordan located and marked on his TES search map were somewhere between 50 and 100 feet on east of Caylee’s remains on September 1, 2008.

This is where the pictures of Danny Ibison and Tyler, along with Mr. Miller, Yuri Melich, John Allen and others are taken. (Jose – I’m talking about the big red circle on the right.)

And apparently, in Jose’s world, somewhere around 5 miles is relatively close as well. Because he’s trying to use Laura Buchanan’s search on September 3, 2008 at Jay Blanchard Park as evidence he’s been duped out of seeing exculpatory evidence as well.

http://s439.photobucket.com/albums/qq120/cayleecross/?start=960

 

[BondJamesBond]

Yes.

It is against TOS to sleuth out any member of WS.

WS MEMBER = NO SLEUTHING OR DISCUSSION

WS has many members who are volunteers for TES throughout the country.
(Some, J.Jordan for example, have been listed in court documents)


WS MEMBER + TES VOLUNTEER = NO SLEUTHING OR DISCUSSION

Bumping KentJBKent's post. Please read.

I've cleaned several posts from this thread in the last ~24hrs related to this, including posts that quoted the offending/related post(s). I had to clean w/ a pretty wide brush. My apologies if you are missing something that was only a tangent to that discussion.

If you have questions about KJBK's instruction, please contact a mod.

Carry on. TIA!

 

[LambChop]

I really think going after a TES searcher by the defense is a bigger mistake than trying to implicate RK. The reason is the public just will not take too kindly and it will bring such a negative response to KC's defense that it just would not be in any way helpful to her. That being said, KC did not at any time ask, or attempt to find her child....not in the 31 days after Caylee went missing nor in the time she spent while out on bail in JB's office selling her daughter's pictures. TES volunteers, however, showed up on the day of the search and diligently searched for this missing child. All said and done, who in their right mind SELLS pictures of their child when their belief is the child is still alive. You might give out a picture to two to the media to help in the search but to sell all your pictures???? It it beyond creepy. jmo