All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[nums24]

The docket entry alone makes my head hurt? I don't want to think what the filing itself will do?

Once again I really don't know what anyone is looking for in this.? It is down to a pissing and belligerence contest between lawyers.

to JB. This gains you nothing. You are not going to get any greater access to TES people than the carefully supervised plan the judge came up with. Accept this and move along.

To MN. Same thing. the judge is not going to seal your records completely from the defense. he does not want an appellate issue regarding access to evidence or even the whisper of potential evidence. He will not raise an appealable issue just to smack down JB and CM, no matter how rude annoying or just plain intolerable they may be. So once again the reasonable plan he came up with will stay in place. Yeah get your protests on the record, but once thats done, total up the costs, use the bad faith issue to drop a bill on Baez, and move along.

I completely agree JB will more thank likely get nothing more than what has been given.

I believe MN is doing this to protect future TES and other searchers. Why allow JB to set a precedent? It has been established by Roy Kronk in August 2008 that Caylee was on Suburban Dr., the TES searches did not happen until after RK had made contact with the OCSO and Crimestoppers. Why risk dragging any other innocent person(s) through the mud on behalf of KC's defense?

 

[ThinkTank]

Ok...why does this sound new to me? Hoover passed on a lead? Was this lead a psychic lead? I thought Ginny's info came later (which prompted the 15th search). Where did DC (and Hoover) get the information to search in the early part of November?

ETA: ok...so Hoover was the one who talked about the white car. Do we know whether or not DC was working on the same tip on the 7th and the 8th?

The ANTHONYS got the tip which Hoover secretly shared with TES volunteers, asking them not to let the Anthonys know Hoover had been to the TES command station with the tip. So, Dominic would have been aware of this tip also. A week later Dominic is poking around in the woods on Nov 15th....

http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/docum...0-anthony1.pdf

EXCERPT~Summary of interview taken on Sept 2, 2009, page 54, 55
According to Bill Todd, James Hoover came to the command post and told him he had spoken with a young female in the Hopespring neighborhood who indicated she had seen Casey Anthony's car on Suburban Drive prior to her first arrest in July of 2008. The young female told James Hoover the car was backed up to the trail at the dead end Suburban Drive near the school. James Hoover told Bill Todd he (Hoover) was working for the Anthony family at the time and if they learned he was talking to Equusearch he may be fired.

page 187
Mandy Albritton indicated Private Investigator James Hoover had reportedly visited the Texas EquuSearch volunteer tent during one of the searches for Caylee Anthony. According to Mandy Albritton, James Hoover informed volunteers Bill Todd and Brett Churchill that the Anthony family had received a tip from a neighborhood child. The unidentified child reported seeing Casey Anthony's white car backed into the area of Suburban Drive. Mandy Albritton explained that James Hoover did not want the Anthony family to know he was providing this information to Texas EquuSearch.

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Jan 1, 2009
Headline News with LP's statement - He says while the two PIs were out in that area taping that one of them was on the phone with Joy Wray. Joy's husband according to Padilla, works for Baez

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Jan 7, 2009 | 6:08 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
excerpts
"When the detectives left with Hoover's ten-minute video of the scene from November, they seemed encouraged.

"Can you tell me whether this helps you move forward in the case?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked Sgt. John Allen.

"Very helpful," he said.

Hoover and his lawyer sat down with Eyewitness News minutes later and revealed some of the information Hoover shared with the detectives. They said Mr. Casey called Hoover on November 14 and asked him to come to town and meet at Mr. Casey's office on the morning of November 15. That's when Mr. Casey told Hoover that Caylee was dead and that Mr. Casey knew where the remains were."

 

[nums24]

Nejame was representing TES by January 12, 2009, from this, still looking for exact date:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479750,00.html

To follow-up:

I found this thread started on 1/9/09: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77877"]M. Nejame is now Attorney for TES - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

I found this article on MN's site dated 1/9/09: http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news/equusearch-fighting-baez-request.htm

 

[beach]

The docket entry alone makes my head hurt? I don't want to think what the filing itself will do?

Once again I really don't know what anyone is looking for in this.? It is down to a pissing and belligerence contest between lawyers.

to JB. This gains you nothing. You are not going to get any greater access to TES people than the carefully supervised plan the judge came up with. Accept this and move along.

To MN. Same thing. the judge is not going to seal your records completely from the defense. he does not want an appellate issue regarding access to evidence or even the whisper of potential evidence. He will not raise an appealable issue just to smack down JB and CM, no matter how rude annoying or just plain intolerable they may be. So once again the reasonable plan he came up with will stay in place. Yeah get your protests on the record, but once thats done, total up the costs, use the bad faith issue to drop a bill on Baez, and move along.

A-to-the-Men! This bears repeating.

I really wish MN hadn't even dignified that response with an answer.

Oh well, at least he didn't title it a "Response to the Response". That still has me laughing. lol

 

[RR0004]

The ANTHONYS got the tip which Hoover secretly shared with TES volunteers, asking them not to let the Anthonys know Hoover had been to the TES command station with the tip. So, Dominic would have been aware of this tip also. A week later Dominic is poking around in the woods on Nov 15th....

http://media2.myfoxorlando.com/docum...0-anthony1.pdf

EXCERPT~Summary of interview taken on Sept 2, 2009, page 54, 55
According to Bill Todd, James Hoover came to the command post and told him he had spoken with a young female in the Hopespring neighborhood who indicated she had seen Casey Anthony's car on Suburban Drive prior to her first arrest in July of 2008. The young female told James Hoover the car was backed up to the trail at the dead end Suburban Drive near the school. James Hoover told Bill Todd he (Hoover) was working for the Anthony family at the time and if they learned he was talking to Equusearch he may be fired.

page 187
Mandy Albritton indicated Private Investigator James Hoover had reportedly visited the Texas EquuSearch volunteer tent during one of the searches for Caylee Anthony. According to Mandy Albritton, James Hoover informed volunteers Bill Todd and Brett Churchill that the Anthony family had received a tip from a neighborhood child. The unidentified child reported seeing Casey Anthony's white car backed into the area of Suburban Drive. Mandy Albritton explained that James Hoover did not want the Anthony family to know he was providing this information to Texas EquuSearch.

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Jan 1, 2009
Headline News with LP's statement - He says while the two PIs were out in that area taping that one of them was on the phone with Joy Wray. Joy's husband according to Padilla, works for Baez

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Jan 7, 2009 | 6:08 PM
http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html
excerpts
"When the detectives left with Hoover's ten-minute video of the scene from November, they seemed encouraged.

"Can you tell me whether this helps you move forward in the case?" WFTV reporter Kathi Belich asked Sgt. John Allen.

"Very helpful," he said.

Hoover and his lawyer sat down with Eyewitness News minutes later and revealed some of the information Hoover shared with the detectives. They said Mr. Casey called Hoover on November 14 and asked him to come to town and meet at Mr. Casey's office on the morning of November 15. That's when Mr. Casey told Hoover that Caylee was dead and that Mr. Casey knew where the remains were."

But wasn't Dominic also out searching November 7th and 8th (or there about)?

 

[The World According]

Nejame tricked us, claimed he'd let Brad review the TEs records in exchange for us waiving a conflict of interest, we stand by our daughter...is that what we expect mom and pop to say on Today? I do. It was emotional blackmail, or something fantastic. Good grief!

 

[Tuffy]

I completely agree JB will more thank likely get nothing more than what has been given.

I believe MN is doing this to protect future TES and other searchers. Why allow JB to set a precedent? It has been established by Roy Kronk in August 2008 that Caylee was on Suburban Dr., the TES searches did not happen until after RK had made contact with the OCSO and Crimestoppers. Why risk dragging any other innocent person(s) through the mud on behalf of KC's defense?

Ok, I'm confused again...

I thought that TES was going to allow JB and team to go through the files and tab the ones they wanted to investigate. The tabbed ones would be ruled on by the judge?

 

[nums24]

Ok, I'm confused again...

I thought that TES was going to allow JB and team to go through the files and tab the ones they wanted to investigate. The tabbed ones would be ruled on by the judge?

Yes they were, but in MN's motion to quash, he is trying stop that from happening at all.

 

[shotgun09]

Yes they were, but in MN's motion to quash, he is trying stop that from happening at all.

IMO, I think MN knows that it will happen. He just briefly stooped to their low level in allowing the motion to be his "mouthpiece for the world". We all know how low the defense has played this, and I believe MN just wanted it out in public for all to see.

 

[ThinkTank]

But wasn't Dominic also out searching November 7th and 8th (or there about)?

I don't remember reading anywhere that Dom was out there searching on the 7th or 8th? Do you know where that was reported?
At least we know there is no video of Dom on those dates.

A good point I read somewhere .... if Ginny the psychic gave Dom soooooo many psychic impression leads .... WHY did Hoover and Dominic only VIDEO ONE of Ginny's alleged psychic leads to go look on Suburban Drive and look for paver stones? And where are the emails from Ginny to Dom/or Luke telling them to specifically look for paver stones on Suburban in that specific location?

Why is Dominic the one giving Luke the google map with "location on Suburban" pinpointed with a pushpin, on November 15th -- instead of the other way around?

If JB ever did say to Dom to NOT call LE if Dom found Caylee ... that implies that there was a discussion at some point in time regarding Dom doing the searching .... which further implies that JB and Dom had some discussion on exactly WHERE Dom would be searching. I would like to know the timeframe in which Dom claims that JB said that to him. Apparently Dom took it seriously enough to file a Bar complaint about it. I doubt that Dom would completely LIE in an officially recorded Bar complaint.

I find it very interesting that Dr. Lee did the trunk exam on Nov 14th - and Dom calls Hoover that night and says he knows where Caylee is and that she is dead and he is going to get her!

I wonder if Dom was given specific directions to where Inmate Anthony actually "placed" Caylee -- but the flood waters divinely moved Caylee from that spot. Was Dom actually looking in the exact spot where Inmate Anthony left Caylee?

 

[nums24]

THANK YOU MUZIKMAN!!

Nejame Reply to Defense Reply:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424/08122010-Nejame-Reply-to-Defense-Response-to-Motion-to-Quash

 

[beach]

Nejame was professional and didn't sling any dirt. Just stated the facts.

That monitor should be a paralegal since he was astute enough to know to include the very important three words "At this time" on the doc that Mr. Mason requested he sign upon removing the 2 boxes that contained administrative docs. Way to think on the spot!

My favorite part was where he quoted Judge Strickland's infamous "At it's core, defense counsel's motion accuses the undersigned of being a self-aggrandizing media hound. Indeed. The irony is rich."

Muzikman, as always, you rock! :rocker: We heart you bunches around here. :blowkiss:

 

[mom_in_il]

Woo Hoo!

NeJame's Reply: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424...otion-to-Quash

ETA: Sorry nums - just saw your post!

 

[faefrost]

Thanks Muzikman!

Hmmm? after reading through that MN has me sold on changing his orders and limiting the release to the 32 people in close proximity. if for no other reason that the defense is really in desperate need of a lesson that what they say in public in front of cameras counts. Still not sure if the judge will go for it, just to avoid even the inkling of an appellate issue.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Beach - I loved that quote in the pleading as well!!!! MN is one classy attorney. Doesn't sling mud, but when it gets down to the nitty gritty, had absolutely no problem stating it like it is. IMO the judge will grant his motion without a hearing. Which, in normal legal circles would send a clear and unequivacol message. But we all know it will take a building falling on JB before he gets it.

 

[mom_in_il]

THANK YOU MUZIKMAN!!

Nejame Reply to Defense Reply:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424/08122010-Nejame-Reply-to-Defense-Response-to-Motion-to-Quash

From link: ". . . the defense scurried out . . . "

LOVE it!

 

[LambChop]

Thanks Muzikman!

Hmmm? after reading through that MN has me sold on changing his orders and limiting the release to the 32 people in close proximity. if for no other reason that the defense is really in desperate need of a lesson that what they say in public in front of cameras counts. Still not sure if the judge will go for it, just to avoid even the inkling of an appellate issue.

But on the other hand they had the opportunity to go through those files and used a lame excuse to get out of doing so. "information in boxes were in no particular order" but a tab is a tab is a tab. You take out one file, look through the file if it has something of interest you tab it. Simple....I could do that. But their complaint was there was no identification on the files. So what would that have to do with the information that was inside the files if that was TRULY what they wanted as they profess. I think defense has revealed too much with these motions as to their true reason for wanting access to all 4,000 records. They want the names, telephone numbers and addresses of those who searched. It's the only way to do a background check in my opinion.

Would this be considered misleading the judge with their motions???? jmo

 

[zoomom]

THANK YOU MUZIKMAN!!

Nejame Reply to Defense Reply:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424/08122010-Nejame-Reply-to-Defense-Response-to-Motion-to-Quash

my my my my my.......now THAT was a thing of Beauty!!!!!:dance:

 

[ThinkTank]

THANK YOU MUZIKMAN!!

Nejame Reply to Defense Reply:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/50221424/08122010-Nejame-Reply-to-Defense-Response-to-Motion-to-Quash

MuzikMan is the BESTEST!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!

 

[ThinkTank]

Thanks Muzikman!

Hmmm? after reading through that MN has me sold on changing his orders and limiting the release to the 32 people in close proximity. if for no other reason that the defense is really in desperate need of a lesson that what they say in public in front of cameras counts. Still not sure if the judge will go for it, just to avoid even the inkling of an appellate issue.

I think MN is asking for the extreme remedy ... knowing the Judge will compromise somewhere in the middle while avoiding appeal issues.

I really like that MN added a request to the Judge to not allow the release to the PUBLIC of ANY of the TES searcher names. That is what JB wants to do (along with doing background checks on every one of them). JB wants to find something resembling "dirt" on any of them and then shout it from the rooftops! JB wants to "Kronk" them!

So, even if Judge P. does allow the Defense to go ahead and review all 4,000 docs AGAIN, and tab some, and even if he releases any more than the 32 docs already given to the Defense, at least JB cannot do any sneaky stuff with the searcher's info PUBLICLY. If he tries to, he will get slammed by the Judge.