All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[The World According]

Daniel Ibison sworn testimony

" Five days I searched , Labor day weekend and the following weekend, during the week for short twenty minutes or so here and there. My dog is a HRD, human remains detection certified dog. I was called by Joe Jordan to investigate a cooler, I opened it. I quickly concluded the cooler had one oyster shell in it. I did not get my dog out of the car.
When I stepped into the woods it was wet, totally flooded, I was standing in water.
There was a baby blanket had appeared to have been there several years, decayed to the point of being....., a boys blanket, very aged, there was nothing left.

No one was there searching in the area, just Joe and I. Some were standing on the roadway when we were on our way out, but not in the woods, not in the exact area, wet. It was unsearchable, heavily flooded, there was no doubt. I was complaining to Joe, it was ankle deep, at least.

I did not see anyone else search that area. It would not have been practical to try. This was the only time I searched that area. My dog remained asleep in my car. I did never deploy my dog in this area. It was heavily flooded. It was ankle deep and it looked like it went deeper the further back you went. It was the weekend right after hurricane Faye.
Joe and I had conversations about the area. I asked if they had searched back there. He said NO
Joe Jordan told me it was flooded back there. The likelihood of detecting anything back there, we would have done more harm than good. Use common sense we were told.

ICS 214 standard form, could have been picked up anywhere or even downloaded off the internet
Laura Buchanan to my recollection I do not know."

www.myfoxorlando.com audio

 

[The World According]

Carol Conway sworn testimony:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gToixB6KwEY[/ame]

"Came over in August 08, with Jennifer , my daughter, with our horses to help.
As we were coming down road we saw a bunch of searchers, ten maybe, they were on the corner where the houses were. We pulled down by the school, offloaded our horses, we exercised them out , up and down the road, I was walking down toward the woods (on the road, walking with the horse), you could see the water from the road, it was about one third of the way up to the road, it was under water. I remember I told my daughter that I wondered if they searched that area.
I never saw anyone in the exact area where she was located.
It was black, murky water, standing water.
We were there by the school maybe a half hour, there was so much water, we loaded the horses and moved to another area.

Made several phone calls to the police after the stuff was all over the news after she was found when they were saying that same area had been searched. IT WAS UNDER WATER."

 

[The World According]

When they get to the second round of their phone calls if the judge allows them, wont it be interesting if they are forced to report what all of the callers answered about the ground conditions, not just cherry pick the ones they think are favorable to their case?

Listening to the audio of the interviews this morning, they are going to hear a lot that does not fit in with their desired results. When will they ever learn?

I believe that the State will demand a comprehensive report, in the spirit of legal completeness.

Then how will they like the news cycle that says OVER A HUNDRED SEARCHERS WHO CAME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AGREE, IT WAS ENTIRELY FLOODED BY HURRICANE FAYE and they did NOT search the exact area baby Caylee was found?


The last time the defense wasn't careful what it wished for.......the got Judge Perry!

 

[The World According]

Document Could Be Blow To Casey Anthony's Defense

http://www.wftv.com/video/25291607/index.html

Video Report

The prosecutors, and TES know they have this, but they are trying the case in the courtroom. Thankfully there is nothing stopping Kathi from letting everyone know about it. They resort to being rude to Kathi because they know they cannot dispute her reporting with facts. This fact drops a bomb on their Laura Buchanan will save the day big idea. I bet Mr. Miller likes her.



Go Kathi!!!

 

[dmh]

Anyone hear of the defense team being allowed to use cell phones to make these calls to these wonderful searchers? where is the privacy? Just asking

 

[Numbers]

Anyone hear of the defense team being allowed to use cell phones to make these calls to these wonderful searchers? where is the privacy? Just asking

Oooooo, I see what you mean. Susie Lawstudent calls on her personal cell phone. Now the cell has a *record* of your phone number. She heads off after work for a drink with the BFFs, lets somebody else use her cell to make a call or drops it in the Ladies Room.....

Vwah La! Your info is public.

I would be livid.

Heck, I'm livid anyway.

 

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by Kentjbkent
So am sitting here pondering just how relevant this strategy is to the defense...
For argument sake, let's imagine that the defense has strong evidence that KC had help and someone else dumped/moved Caylee on Suburban after KC was jailed....(don't believe it for a second, but let's play Devil's Advocate)
KC is being charged with the MURDER of Caylee. To my knowledge, she is not facing an additional charge related ONLY to the dumping of Caylee's body on Suburban, correct?
So IF someone else was involved in the disposal of Caylee's body, that does NOT relieve KC of culpubility in her murder.....it would only speak to LE's inability at this point to determine a co-defendant, right?
So does the defense really believe that any juror is going to completely discount all evidence leading to KC as the murder based strictly on the knowledge that she could NOT have killed Caylee because someone else eventually dumped her body on Suburban?
DISCLAIMER: I do NOT believe anyone else was involved...this is strictly for argument sake!

I'd love to find that CM statement where he pretty much says the same thing...that it doesn't mean his client isn't guilty...but...it was a classic.

Mason says Casey KILLED CAYLEE (but somebody else involved, moved the body = REASONABLE DOUBT)

http://www.wftv.com/video/23758968/index.html

June 1, 2010 Hearing
Part 2 (4:50) Mason: “…. now that does not necessarily mean, as a matter of law, that she could not have killed this child, or been involved with it…”

Baez was texting furiously on his cellphone when Mason was telling the Judge that Casey could have killed Caylee … but if somebody else moved the body that opens a “huge door of reasonable doubt” …. and they want the illegally recorded Joe Jordan tape. Motion was DENIED.

I believe Mason exposed the Defense strategy - they want to throw “somebody” in, to confuse the jury and make the jury think that “somebody” else was “helping Casey” and moved the body …. which would cause the jury to think that if somebody else was involved …. maybe Casey is not the one who killed “the child”. It gives the Defense a chance to create confusion about multiple parties involved in Caylee’s death and movement of her corpse = REASONABLE DOUBT = possible hung jury or acquittal

 

[SindyBill]

PLEASE don't say kooky people could say that they were. You know what I mean. Sure they could and not have been. I am still rattled by my phone call yesterday from CA's team so please bear with me if this sounds like I am kooky at the moment.

If TES said there were originally 32 people slated to search the area we now know was the burial spot I sure darn well believe him.

Allow me to clarify, I absolutely agree with TES. I'm saying beyond the 32 people TES confirms were there and searched the area. In other words, the "kooky" people being the inflated numbers perpetuated by the defense. I don't think you sound kooky, given the grandstanding and all that has occurred with this circus - you have every right to be rattled!

 

[SindyBill]

I can not fathom that anyone searched that area that day.The acutal site she was found at. If they did they would have found her, she was there all along. Anyone who was on any search that day could see pockets of searchers all over town. Even in the most obsceur (?) places. So you are getting the point the area she was later found in was in my opinion without a doubt NOT searched that day.

Let them call me back I have nothing to add to bolster there case. I am just a mother and wife whose heart was breaking watching the news each night and thought if that was my grand daughter by golly I would want someone to look for her! Help me find her! That is more than that her grandparents did that day. To my knowlegde they did not even stop by the stageing area to say thanks.

Bless your heart. You did the right thing. I think people searched "the area" as in a radius of within where the body was found but I agree with TES's stance that the exact spot where she was later recovered wasn't searchable due to the conditions brought upon by Hurricane Fay. Just mere weeks - maybe even days - before the search began there was torrential rain and flooding in central Florida! The spot where Caylee was found is in a sort of depression/retention. An unusable lot - most likely due to being so susceptible to flooding! MOO

 

[ThinkTank]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean you had to clarify what you were saying! I meant that even if somebody says they searched that exact area, I believe chances of them scientifically being within the exact two foot spot are slim.

I found this old video of the day Caylee was found (obviously not the day it was announced to be her), where the reporter interviews a gentleman who searched "that area" with TES as well as alone, several times he says, and while he doesn't bring up any aspect of standing water, he does say something truly beautiful for Caylee, so I thought I'd throw it up here and take the chance to say thank you, again, to all the searchers.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18255174/detail.html

interview with Drew Tate
excerpt:
TES searcher searched this area twice
I did it with a group of us that came from Blanchard Park
when it first started - we just came down here on our own and searched this area
and then we came with Tim's group, the Equusearch from Texas
we've gone through all this (pointing to the woods where Caylee found) I mean, you go back in there, there's a fence on this side, and right in you can slip right through there, and there's all dense woods in there, a dry river bed that runs through there and it's just overgrown
if you look at the vines, that's what your're walking through, and you can't really see anything
we did that search twice and we didn't come up with anything, but I believe the cops were even down there with their canine units and they didn't come back with anything

Reporter - do you find it ironic sir, that apparently they are looking at an area that is right off the edge of the road here?

No, cuz there's nothing back there. There's a school over here on that side, and that's all woods back there, and those woods go back behind the grandparent's house. Their house is 20 houses down there - this whole thing runs right behind their house.
Do I think that's where Caylee is? yeah
You think about Casey, she's a buck something wet - where's she gonna go and move a body, I mean, quite honestly.
That's it! that's the easiest spot to go from her house - from there - to there - I mean, that's all she's doin

Reporter - what are you thinking right now?

(2:22) Relieved - it might be raining on us, but the sun is shining on Caylee right now - this is her day - her Mom's in jail and not looking for her - her grandparents are out in California trying to bring up some person they found at a McDonald's or what not - and here it is - this is the day - this is the day we've all been waiting for

He just screamed "Hey Tim they found her!"

his name is Drew Tate

 

[fryhisbutt]

Originally Posted by Kentjbkent
So am sitting here pondering just how relevant this strategy is to the defense...
For argument sake, let's imagine that the defense has strong evidence that KC had help and someone else dumped/moved Caylee on Suburban after KC was jailed....(don't believe it for a second, but let's play Devil's Advocate)
KC is being charged with the MURDER of Caylee. To my knowledge, she is not facing an additional charge related ONLY to the dumping of Caylee's body on Suburban, correct?
So IF someone else was involved in the disposal of Caylee's body, that does NOT relieve KC of culpubility in her murder.....it would only speak to LE's inability at this point to determine a co-defendant, right?
So does the defense really believe that any juror is going to completely discount all evidence leading to KC as the murder based strictly on the knowledge that she could NOT have killed Caylee because someone else eventually dumped her body on Suburban?
DISCLAIMER: I do NOT believe anyone else was involved...this is strictly for argument sake!



Mason says Casey KILLED CAYLEE (but somebody else involved, moved the body = REASONABLE DOUBT)

http://www.wftv.com/video/23758968/index.html

June 1, 2010 Hearing
Part 2 (4:50) Mason: “…. now that does not necessarily mean, as a matter of law, that she could not have killed this child, or been involved with it…”

Baez was texting furiously on his cellphone when Mason was telling the Judge that Casey could have killed Caylee … but if somebody else moved the body that opens a “huge door of reasonable doubt” …. and they want the illegally recorded Joe Jordan tape. Motion was DENIED.

I believe Mason exposed the Defense strategy - they want to throw “somebody” in, to confuse the jury and make the jury think that “somebody” else was “helping Casey” and moved the body …. which would cause the jury to think that if somebody else was involved …. maybe Casey is not the one who killed “the child”. It gives the Defense a chance to create confusion about multiple parties involved in Caylee’s death and movement of her corpse = REASONABLE DOUBT = possible hung jury or acquittal

i totally agree that that is what the defense is doing.

I have a question though....

What If:
George takes the stand and says he killed Caylee. They end the trial of Casey let her go free and begin a case against George.
Now in George's trial Casey gets on the stand and says she did it...
Would double jeopardy apply? Would they be able to prosecute Casey again?

I know it is a strange question.. But if all they had to worry about was doing time for perjury?!
Could this work in our court system??

IMHO

 

[dmh]

i totally agree that that is what the defense is doing.

I have a question though....

What If:
George takes the stand and says he killed Caylee. They end the trial of Casey let her go free and begin a case against George.
Now in George's trial Casey gets on the stand and says she did it...
Would double jeopardy apply? Would they be able to prosecute Casey again?

I know it is a strange question.. But if all they had to worry about was doing time for perjury?!
Could this work in our court system??

IMHO

Now I'm only guessing but I would think it's up to the pros to decide if they would dismiss charges against kc. I could be wrong

 

[Intermezzo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtQnk2PKYAw
Rather than the defense spin, let our readers hear it from some of the searchers in their own, sworn testimony.
Tony Rivinski

"We took ATV s in there , we spent a lot of time, there was a lot of water, got our ATV stuck, we realized we could not continue because of the water.

I was interested in continuing with Brett Churchill, his wife, Lori Cree, Michelle Jordan and her sister Karen, on the weekends we wanted to continue on if we could, without TES since we were local. I spent fifty or so days working on this. I stayed at the Holiday Inn.

What I believe to be the circumstances, I believed she would be in the area Casey said, "She's close to home", so it made sense to me to return to Suburban. I just felt that was the place to look.'

That area where the remains were found was under water, deep under water.From the curb you could see, at the weed line I walked up, and it was deep under water, or I would have went in there. I am telling you, I went back there on a number of days ( different days) and I am telling you that area she was found was under water! This was forty or fifty days I searched.

I was a search and rescue Navy, military. That is why I wanted to volunteer to help. I was a team leader. (not in that area)

Laura Buchanan the name is familiar, possibly from the news, but I do not recall her at all."

Thanks TWA!!!
Water, Water, Water...

 

[ynotdivein]

...but not a drop to drink.

 

[logicalgirl]

...but not a drop to drink.

But lots of ICA Koolaid apparently being drunk in some parts of town.

 

[butterfly1978]

i totally agree that that is what the defense is doing.

I have a question though....

What If:
George takes the stand and says he killed Caylee. They end the trial of Casey let her go free and begin a case against George.
Now in George's trial Casey gets on the stand and says she did it...
Would double jeopardy apply? Would they be able to prosecute Casey again?

I know it is a strange question.. But if all they had to worry about was doing time for perjury?!
Could this work in our court system??

IMHO

I asked the exact same question awhile back, but it wasn't George I believe will do this but Cindy. Honestly I can't remember what the full answer is, but I do remember the answer is no, they will continue with Casey's trial, the charges will not be dropped.
That is like one of those Perry Mason or Law and Order moments but it just doesn't work that way. If you read through the Legal thread, the answer is in in there because I had asked the question before and AZ answered it, but as I said I beleive it would be Cindy not George.

 

[trafficsUP66]

i totally agree that that is what the defense is doing.

I have a question though....

What If:
George takes the stand and says he killed Caylee. They end the trial of Casey let her go free and begin a case against George.
Now in George's trial Casey gets on the stand and says she did it...
Would double jeopardy apply? Would they be able to prosecute Casey again?

I know it is a strange question.. But if all they had to worry about was doing time for perjury?!
Could this work in our court system??

IMHO

Serious perjury charges. Seriously!

ETA: There is no way that the state is going to accept this kind of behavior--The evidence ALL points to ICA--not Caylee's grandfather. I can't imagine if he tried this that he would hold up under cross.

 

[Gaia713]

How many INNOCENT people have to be sacrificed to satisfy the Anthonys and the defense team? I am ashamed to share this planet with these people. Thanks to some good reporting, the truth will be revealed. I hope these people have to pay for the evil they are doing.

I honestly think the defense needs to be punished for their shameful acts. As for Cindy Anthony, I leave her punishment to a higher power. She will get her deserved justice.

This is a sad thing to say, but Caylee is far better off being away from these evil people.

 

[Oakley]

Oooooo, I see what you mean. Susie Lawstudent calls on her personal cell phone. Now the cell has a *record* of your phone number. She heads off after work for a drink with the BFFs, lets somebody else use her cell to make a call or drops it in the Ladies Room.....

Vwah La! Your info is public.

I would be livid.

Heck, I'm livid anyway.

Maybe even worse, Susie Lawstudent now has your phone number stored in her phone for future call back. Not that that wouldn't be a violation of the court's rules, but what has stopped them from violating rules before?

 

[Gnatcatcher]

You know what I don't understand about any of this? While I haven't seen the visitation log in a good long time, it's not like the logs I've seen lately show that anyone from the defense team has visited her all that often or regularly. And even though they've been out to sea with this expedition for a long time, the alleged 100 people is relatively new. Aren't they supposed to get her go-ahead on any angle they pursue? I thought she was the one in charge and they couldn't do anything without her approval? Or am I totally wrong?