All Texas Equusearch-Related Filings #1

[truckengirl]

When they get to the second round of their phone calls if the judge allows them, wont it be interesting if they are forced to report what all of the callers answered about the ground conditions, not just cherry pick the ones they think are favorable to their case?

Listening to the audio of the interviews this morning, they are going to hear a lot that does not fit in with their desired results. When will they ever learn?

I believe that the State will demand a comprehensive report, in the spirit of legal completeness.

Then how will they like the news cycle that says OVER A HUNDRED SEARCHERS WHO CAME FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AGREE, IT WAS ENTIRELY FLOODED BY HURRICANE FAYE and they did NOT search the exact area baby Caylee was found?


[B]The last time the defense wasn't careful what it wished for.......the got Judge Perry!

[/B]

Yeah and now they have asked for touch DNA of the shorts and laundry bag, it will be too funny if they get a result that is totally against them, such as ICA, CA, George, Lee or Dominic Casey's DNA on the articles.

 

[trafficsUP66]

Good laugh courtesy Hinky Meter today.

the "Anthony Lagniappe Factor" (pronounced lawn-yop)

A must read!

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/1...-marie-anthony-case-–-part-40/#comments

ETA: They are on a roll over their. It's just too funny!!!

 

[Riley1833]

A friend of mine posted this on scared monkeys and sent it to me via email. We were chatting about the concerns of some searchers who have been called and some of the responses to emails. I hope this will serve to relieve any concerns. I believe Mr. Nejame has taken ever possible precaution.

This is a message from Mark Nejame: It seems he and his office have gotten numerous calls and emails from TES searchers who have been called. As I understand it some of these calls have been from private cell phones and the searchers are now concerned that the defense has their number in the cell phones memory. Some have felt their concerns were being trivialized by Mr. Nejame......this is in response to those concerns.

We've spent endless hours working through this, so trivializing we're not. It's been the whole basis of our objections is to protect the searchers. However, our position cannot be trivialized by them...Judge Perry was absolutely leaning towards allowing them more access...my belief is so that they wouldn't have a basis for appeal or a new trial. Reading that, we designed a compromise that would gut that issue for the defense but still provide anonymity to the searchers. People may complain, but no names have been made public. The last thing the searchers would want is for Casey to have an appeal granted when/if convicted and the appellate court rule that the files are to be made completely available and accessible. We've effectively stopped that. Thanks once again and feel free to keep getting the word out. Remember, multiple TES volunteers are in the room, monitoring all calls and all this is overseen by the Magistrate the entire time. No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers. A TES volunteer is overseeing every call and making sure the limitations in the court order is complied with.

 

[Kathy1964]

A friend of mine posted this on scared monkeys and sent it to me via email. We were chatting about the concerns of some searchers who have been called and some of the responses to emails. I hope this will serve to relieve any concerns. I believe Mr. Nejame has taken ever possible precaution.

This is a message from Mark Nejame: It seems he and his office have gotten numerous calls and emails from TES searchers who have been called. As I understand it some of these calls have been from private cell phones and the searchers are now concerned that the defense has their number in the cell phones memory. Some have felt their concerns were being trivialized by Mr. Nejame......this is in response to those concerns.

We've spent endless hours working through this, so trivializing we're not. It's been the whole basis of our objections is to protect the searchers. However, our position cannot be trivialized by them...Judge Perry was absolutely leaning towards allowing them more access...my belief is so that they wouldn't have a basis for appeal or a new trial. Reading that, we designed a compromise that would gut that issue for the defense but still provide anonymity to the searchers. People may complain, but no names have been made public. The last thing the searchers would want is for Casey to have an appeal granted when/if convicted and the appellate court rule that the files are to be made completely available and accessible. We've effectively stopped that. Thanks once again and feel free to keep getting the word out. Remember, multiple TES volunteers are in the room, monitoring all calls and all this is overseen by the Magistrate the entire time. No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers. A TES volunteer is overseeing every call and making sure the limitations in the court order is complied with.

Did Mr NeJame say which phones are being used? Do any of them belong to any member of the defense team?

 

[fla*mom]

Bless your heart. You did the right thing. I think people searched "the area" as in a radius of within where the body was found but I agree with TES's stance that the exact spot where she was later recovered wasn't searchable due to the conditions brought upon by Hurricane Fay. Just mere weeks - maybe even days - before the search began there was torrential rain and flooding in central Florida! The spot where Caylee was found is in a sort of depression/retention. An unusable lot - most likely due to being so susceptible to flooding! MOO

No offense taken believe me. When I wrote that my nerves were raw. I do understand there are kooks wanting to be a bigger part of this story. I guess I was responding to the fact that it was supposed to be about 32 people and then as the calls started and the defense was acting all happy more people were saying yes they were on Suburban with TES. Which one of them was me. I was by the school, not where she was found. That is why I was sensitive to the kook remark. Like oh, now the calls are going out and people are willy nilly saying oh, yea I was there. That was all that was about .

I am familiar with where she was found. I have been there many times. The area starting from just a few feet from the road forms a bowl like so many others have described. I have seen it cleaned bare after the investigation, and I have seen it now that everything has returned to its natural state. Shrouding the ugly tale the spot holds.

 

[camcneishg]

just know that we may recieve another call if you went out on multiple searches.....I would assume that it would be just like the first call......with soooo many searchers, this will duplicate on some...MO

 

[Riley1833]

Did Mr NeJame say which phones are being used? Do any of them belong to any member of the defense team?

I am sorry, but I do not have answers to your questions. I was simply posting a message I received and asked if I could post part or all of it here.

 

[Aedrys]

A friend of mine posted this on scared monkeys and sent it to me via email. We were chatting about the concerns of some searchers who have been called and some of the responses to emails. I hope this will serve to relieve any concerns. I believe Mr. Nejame has taken ever possible precaution.

This is a message from Mark Nejame: It seems he and his office have gotten numerous calls and emails from TES searchers who have been called. As I understand it some of these calls have been from private cell phones and the searchers are now concerned that the defense has their number in the cell phones memory. Some have felt their concerns were being trivialized by Mr. Nejame......this is in response to those concerns.

We've spent endless hours working through this, so trivializing we're not. It's been the whole basis of our objections is to protect the searchers. However, our position cannot be trivialized by them...Judge Perry was absolutely leaning towards allowing them more access...my belief is so that they wouldn't have a basis for appeal or a new trial. Reading that, we designed a compromise that would gut that issue for the defense but still provide anonymity to the searchers. People may complain, but no names have been made public. The last thing the searchers would want is for Casey to have an appeal granted when/if convicted and the appellate court rule that the files are to be made completely available and accessible. We've effectively stopped that. Thanks once again and feel free to keep getting the word out. Remember, multiple TES volunteers are in the room, monitoring all calls and all this is overseen by the Magistrate the entire time. No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers. A TES volunteer is overseeing every call and making sure the limitations in the court order is complied with.

I am so glad you posted this. I feel a WHOLE lot better now. Wow, Baez and Mason cannot pull any shenanigans with this if they wanted to! I bet that's been chapping their hides since Monday. It's good to know they are being watched over this strictly. There's no telling the crap they'd be up to if they weren't.

 

[fla*mom]

A friend of mine posted this on scared monkeys and sent it to me via email. We were chatting about the concerns of some searchers who have been called and some of the responses to emails. I hope this will serve to relieve any concerns. I believe Mr. Nejame has taken ever possible precaution.

This is a message from Mark Nejame: It seems he and his office have gotten numerous calls and emails from TES searchers who have been called. As I understand it some of these calls have been from private cell phones and the searchers are now concerned that the defense has their number in the cell phones memory. Some have felt their concerns were being trivialized by Mr. Nejame......this is in response to those concerns.

We've spent endless hours working through this, so trivializing we're not. It's been the whole basis of our objections is to protect the searchers. However, our position cannot be trivialized by them...Judge Perry was absolutely leaning towards allowing them more access...my belief is so that they wouldn't have a basis for appeal or a new trial. Reading that, we designed a compromise that would gut that issue for the defense but still provide anonymity to the searchers. People may complain, but no names have been made public. The last thing the searchers would want is for Casey to have an appeal granted when/if convicted and the appellate court rule that the files are to be made completely available and accessible. We've effectively stopped that. Thanks once again and feel free to keep getting the word out. Remember, multiple TES volunteers are in the room, monitoring all calls and all this is overseen by the Magistrate the entire time. No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers. A TES volunteer is overseeing every call and making sure the limitations in the court order is complied with.

Thanks for posting this. If you know, where did this originate? I just ask because I did call the office. Not to complain or anything just didn't know at the time what to think of all the hoopla about more, and more people saying they were there. I didn't and still don't know if TES could hear my side of the conversation. I really, I guess just wanted to reasure TES and Nejame that at least from my call I may have been an added person, but in no way have anything that is good for the defense. That was what my call to them was about. I do believe they have the best interests for the searchers more than we know.
And by the sounds of that message from MN we owe him a lot more than we think we do.

Way to Go MN!!! Thanks from the bottom of my heart.

 

[nums24]

Raw Video - Baez Pressed By Kathi B on TES Docs 8+ minutes - MUST SEE

http://www.wftv.com/video/25303092/index.html

 

[Numbers]

I am so glad you posted this. I feel a WHOLE lot better now. Wow, Baez and Mason cannot pull any shenanigans with this if they wanted to! I bet that's been chapping their hides since Monday. It's good to know they are being watched over this strictly. There's no telling the crap they'd be up to if they weren't.

From Riley's message:

"No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers."


If I am a defense caller of dubious moral character using my own cell phone, I can take any number I called from the cell memory and look up who it belongs to on the InterWeb.

Not saying they will.

Just saying they can.

 

[Aedrys]

From Riley's message:

"No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers."


If I am a defense caller of dubious moral character using my own cell phone, I can take any number I called from the cell memory and look up who it belongs to on the InterWeb.

Not saying they will.

Just saying they can.

They can look up already published phone numbers. If the number is unlisted, it's harder to find that out unless they pay for it (and as much as Baez whines about money, I doubt we'll ever see a JAC invoice for phone number lookups unless he's just that stupid). And there is no cellphone number directory out there yet. They can do that, but they'll get into trouble if the press and the court gets wind of it. It's in their best interest to do what they are supposed to do and not do anything underhanded here. I have the feeling HHJP will bring the hammer down if anything hinky goes on with calling TES searchers. He is not a judge I would ever want to cross, and MN is not a lawyer I'd want to go up against. I see class action lawsuit all over this if the defense gets caught doing something underhanded here.

 

[countzero]

Raw Video - Baez Pressed By Kathi B on TES Docs 8+ minutes - MUST SEE

http://www.wftv.com/video/25303092/index.html

Thanks nums24. Ya know, I wish that Kathi would have just let JB run at the mouth instead of interrupting him with the same question constantly. JB loves the camera, and will just go on and on IF given the opportunity to contradict himself. I like Kathi, but she needs to give JB some slack and ask the question once or twice and let him ramble on to embarrass himself, by himself.

He was so full of himself with that statement, "I have five more minutes to give you" when asked if he needed to get back inside.

Note to JB .... it's really rude to be eating while being interviewed and want to be taken "serious while answering questions". If you need to eat, do it without an audience present. Obviously, his media people aren't earning their $$$$ if they can't shape up JB and Cheney doing interviews.

 

[Riley1833]

From Riley's message:

"No notes are being taken so there is no way to relate the numbers called to any of the specific names or searchers."


If I am a defense caller of dubious moral character using my own cell phone, I can take any number I called from the cell memory and look up who it belongs to on the InterWeb.

Not saying they will.

Just saying they can.

I believe Mr. Nejame would not divulge all the safeguards being taken. Since this is not his first rodeo, I have to believe he has dealt with persons of dubious moral character a time or two and is a step ahead of them. Again JMO

 

[nums24]

Thanks nums24. Ya know, I wish that Kathi would have just let JB run at the mouth instead of interrupting him with the same question constantly. JB loves the camera, and will just go on and on IF given the opportunity to contradict himself. I like Kathi, but she needs to give JB some slack and ask the question once or twice and let him ramble on to embarrass himself, by himself.

He was so full of himself with that statement, "I have five more minutes to give you" when asked if he needed to get back inside.

Note to JB .... it's really rude to be eating while being interviewed and want to be taken "serious while answering questions". If you need to eat, do it without an audience present. Obviously, his media people aren't earning their $$$$ if they can't shape up JB and Cheney doing interviews.

His arrogance never ceases to amaze me! I love Kathi B, but I agree she was relentless.

 

[Riley1833]

Thanks for posting this. If you know, where did this originate? I just ask because I did call the office. Not to complain or anything just didn't know at the time what to think of all the hoopla about more, and more people saying they were there. I didn't and still don't know if TES could hear my side of the conversation. I really, I guess just wanted to reasure TES and Nejame that at least from my call I may have been an added person, but in no way have anything that is good for the defense. That was what my call to them was about. I do believe they have the best interests for the searchers more than we know.
And by the sounds of that message from MN we owe him a lot more than we think we do.

Way to Go MN!!! Thanks from the bottom of my heart.

I read your angst and my friend is a friend of Mr. Nejame's. I was telling her about your concerns and other concerns I had read this morning. She volunteered to contact Mr. Nejame and make him aware of the concerns of some TES volunteers who had been called. She emailed me to assure me my concern and those of the TES volunteers were being taken very seriously. And gave me permission to post what I did. I was only trying to help relieve some concerns and assure those called, that Mr. Nejame and TES were doing everything humanly possible to safeguard the privacy of TES volunteers. Her educated guess is that this is all smoke and show.

 

[logicalgirl]

Raw Video - Baez Pressed By Kathi B on TES Docs 8+ minutes - MUST SEE

http://www.wftv.com/video/25303092/index.html

Wow, Kathi does a great job of pressing Baez, and it's worth watching the clip to see the expression they have frozen on Baez's face at the end of the clip.

He tried so hard to dodge her bullets, even for a second trying to deny Cheney 's comments yesterday. Looks like he is going to ask for more time. Kathi made a comment about running out of time today and Baez said YOU think. She answered with "well that's all the time you've been granted". Incredible!

 

[camcneishg]

why does JB say that he is "jotting down and taking notes"...I thought that this was not allowed.....

 

[RR0004]

Originally Posted by Kentjbkent
So am sitting here pondering just how relevant this strategy is to the defense...
For argument sake, let's imagine that the defense has strong evidence that KC had help and someone else dumped/moved Caylee on Suburban after KC was jailed....(don't believe it for a second, but let's play Devil's Advocate)
KC is being charged with the MURDER of Caylee. To my knowledge, she is not facing an additional charge related ONLY to the dumping of Caylee's body on Suburban, correct?
So IF someone else was involved in the disposal of Caylee's body, that does NOT relieve KC of culpubility in her murder.....it would only speak to LE's inability at this point to determine a co-defendant, right?
So does the defense really believe that any juror is going to completely discount all evidence leading to KC as the murder based strictly on the knowledge that she could NOT have killed Caylee because someone else eventually dumped her body on Suburban?
DISCLAIMER: I do NOT believe anyone else was involved...this is strictly for argument sake!



Mason says Casey KILLED CAYLEE (but somebody else involved, moved the body = REASONABLE DOUBT)

http://www.wftv.com/video/23758968/index.html

June 1, 2010 Hearing
Part 2 (4:50) Mason: “…. now that does not necessarily mean, as a matter of law, that she could not have killed this child, or been involved with it…”

Baez was texting furiously on his cellphone when Mason was telling the Judge that Casey could have killed Caylee … but if somebody else moved the body that opens a “huge door of reasonable doubt” …. and they want the illegally recorded Joe Jordan tape. Motion was DENIED.

I believe Mason exposed the Defense strategy - they want to throw “somebody” in, to confuse the jury and make the jury think that “somebody” else was “helping Casey” and moved the body …. which would cause the jury to think that if somebody else was involved …. maybe Casey is not the one who killed “the child”. It gives the Defense a chance to create confusion about multiple parties involved in Caylee’s death and movement of her corpse = REASONABLE DOUBT = possible hung jury or acquittal

Oh, ThinkTank...you're the best!!

 

[The World According]

Raw Video - Baez Pressed By WFTV on TES Docs

http://www.wftv.com/video/25303092/index.html

He does mention he is taking better notes than Mr. Miller. Tomorrow he will do what he just did in this video, back off statements the defense team makes, or things they imply. Cheney Mason was absolutely hoping the listener would infer they discovered folks who were in the relevant area. Now today, Jose said it differently. It is what they do.
I can guarantee you he is not in that room taking notes if he wants to continue to practice law without a bar complaint from Judge Perry, he wont be breaking any of the stipulations. He just wants the reporters to write about that little tidbit rather than the Laura Buchanan story bites the dust.

If she hasn't been deposed, she should be moved up to .......tomorrow, if they already deposed her, they will call her back, ( they seem to always suspend not end their depos), so they can compare and contrast her accounts to Mr. Jordan's, and his saying he has no idea what the hell she is talking about, he did not search with her, period.

Jose did look a little defeated, almost resigned to the inevitable. So , next week the defense will be again hinting at the very expansive other theories to try to get in the headlines, back to Jesse and Tony and maybe George hurt her since he allegedly hurt Casey....maybe the shorts will have male DNA. Afterall the judge did sign the order allowing Jill Kerley's testimony to be perpetuated..that brings Kronk back up... back to the drawing board....Ms. Buchanan will just be another name on that list of SODDI. It just ends that spin cycle.

Actually, Mr. Mason had it correct when he opined before joining the case when he said "It is going to be a circus trial".

I know TES will be glad when this is over.