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[ThinkTank]

I hope he does not think that he got to me!! I don't think I came off scared or anything. If he came back or called that would be overkill for sure. I had nothing on the first call, nothing on the visit.

My story is not going to change.

I listened to a youtube thing Gail St. John did back in Aug 2010 and she said he called her 2times a day asking the same thing over and over. She said all I can say is the truth. No matter how you ask.

Yes, at some point she must have told him to STOP calling. She had NO obligation to talk to him at all.

 

[fla*mom]

http://www.realitychatter.com/cayle...e-dave-removes-himself-from-case-t2262-20.htm

Beware of soft shoe shufflers
MD's blog article - excerpts:
April 17, 2010

"When private investigator Jerry Lyons came calling last Sunday, I had no idea of the tack the defense would ultimately take. The guy was as smooth as butter. To be truthful, he was exactly like a car salesman who loads you up with all the options without you knowing it and before long, you pay a huge price. First, he plied me with compliments about my blog. Then, he asked me whether Casey could get a fair trial in Orlando. He questioned my friendship with police, especially Sgt. John Allen of OCSO. He segued into the judge and before I knew what he was doing, he got me to talk. Mind you, as soon as I realized what he was up to, I told him the defense would be stupid, stupid, stupid for going after Judge Strickland and I stopped. But it was too late."

"Between you and me, Jerry Lyons said that John Allen is a bad cop. He’s got a ridiculous track record and he makes all police look bad. He’s dishonest and a liar. Did I agree with his sleazy critique? Of course not, and this is how he tricked me into opening up, by hitting below the belt and getting me to defend his targets, but there’s nowhere in that motion that any part of this conversation took place. Clearly, it was a pick and choose edit intended to do one thing and one thing only: nail the judge to a cross. How naive I was......"

Yep that fits him to a tee. Thank the Lord I was clueless as to who he was. As not just some extra help to get the job done and would be gone at the end of the week or so.

He described him alright. Feel a little silly now. Us regular folks like to take people as they seem, at least I do. And he was just working it.

 

[fla*mom]

Yes, at some point she must have told him to STOP calling. She had NO obligation to talk to him at all.

I guess a lot of it was messages on the phone that he left. She did say that he was asking personal questions to her daughter who was with her. And that made her mad. I have no idea if he still tries to talk to her.

 

[fla*mom]

Not to cause concern, but psychic Gale SJ said that this P.I. was calling her constantly and really pressuring her to make statements that would help the defense.

You (fla mom) and any other searchers, are under NO legal obligation to talk to the P.I. at all - period.
You have every legal right to say you will not speak to the P.I..

You are right we don't have to talk. Maybe if I thought what I had to say would help the defense I would be more inclined to not talk.

I don't know about others, but it all comes as quite a surprise when it happens. Like with the first call, I never thought I would get one. After that I guess since they said they would/could ask more questions I figured it would be a phone call. Not someone at my door someone standing right there. I really do hope it is over. Otherwise I will be getting more upset. It could all have ended at the call.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Ok I'll play devil's advocate here and ask a question you need NOT answer, but just think to yourself about. Is there anything, and I mean ANYTHING, in your personal circumstance, past history, daily routine or most remote part of your being that you can possibly think of, that they could call into question? Think Kronk. Because as I've said before, these people terrify me.

For the first time, I am really worried about this going after the searchers thing, way beyond just the idea of putting their names into outer space. I feel so strange right about now. I'm not sure how to describe this, but, I mean Amy, Tony, Hawkins, Annie, Roy Kronk, all of them are so vital to the case and as much as I feel so so deeply for their troubles, it hasn't really affected me so personally until now, until FlaMom, and I didn't even realize that until just now. All along I'd felt such empathy and personal invasion on behalf of Amy, et. al, but now, I really feel like one of US is being prowled upon and I am just beside myself.

Maybe I am over worried, as everyone has said FlaMom you have every right to tell them to just go away, but my question is, the way this defense team operates, is that the smart thing to do? I hate to admit, I'm almost afraid of them at this point.

I'm rambling, I know, but I'm torn with so many emotions right now, I feel like I"m on the defensive even though I've done nothing, and certainly none of the searchers have done anything wrong. If I feel this defeated, does it mean the defense is winning? I can't have that.

Must re-evaluate how I feel.

 

[lisalei321]

OMG, I'm just getting caught up here, but fla*mom, you had someone show up on your doorstep?

I'm not sure how I'd react to that...course they show up on my doorstep, they're not going to find me , we've moved since then :woohoo:

 

[ThinkTank]

You are right we don't have to talk. Maybe if I thought what I had to say would help the defense I would be more inclined to not talk.

I don't know about others, but it all comes as quite a surprise when it happens. Like with the first call, I never thought I would get one. After that I guess since they said they would/could ask more questions I figured it would be a phone call. Not someone at my door someone standing right there. I really do hope it is over. Otherwise I will be getting more upset. It could all have ended at the call.

Do you screen your phone calls, and not answer any unknown numbers?
Maybe you could screen for the next 3-4 weeks to see if he calls again.
If he shows up at your door again, just politely tell him that you do not wish to talk with him again.

 

[LambChop]

I think if you are a woman and over the age of 55 you pretty much have nothing to worry about. A child Caylee's size is not easy to carry as a normal healthy child. I think the sleuther's in us want to see what questions they are asking. I would want to know what he would be asking and if you stick to the truth it can't hurt you. Now what I might do is run down to Walmart if I thought they were going to call on me and get a recorder. It's not over the phone and you just ask him if he minds if you record the conversation. LOL At that point he'll ask a few short questions and be on his way.

 

[fla*mom]

Do you screen your phone calls, and not answer any unknown numbers?
Maybe you could screen for the next 3-4 weeks to see if he calls again.
If he shows up at your door again, just politely tell him that you do not wish to talk with him again.

When the call came I don't know what it showed when the phone rang, but after the call there was nothing. No evidence it happened. Usually we screen our calls. They are sneaky. I know some showed Dade county, but mine didn't.

That is good advise because after the third time, if there is a third time, I will for sure know they are crossing the line and want to catch me in a trap. I don't want to go there. I have held up so far, but three times I might lose it.

 

[fla*mom]

OMG, I'm just getting caught up here, but fla*mom, you had someone show up on your doorstep?

I'm not sure how I'd react to that...course they show up on my doorstep, they're not going to find me , we've moved since then :woohoo:

yep, Jeremy Lyons is the flesh.

 

[JSV]

When the call came I don't know what it showed when the phone rang, but after the call there was nothing. No evidence it happened. Usually we screen our calls. They are sneaky. I know some showed Dade county, but mine didn't.

That is good advise because after the third time, if there is a third time, I will for sure know they are crossing the line and want to catch me in a trap. I don't want to go there. I have held up so far, but three times I might lose it.

If he shows up again after you told him everything you know ...would that not be harresment.( sp ).

 

[fla*mom]

Ok I'll play devil's advocate here and ask a question you need NOT answer, but just think to yourself about. Is there anything, and I mean ANYTHING, in your personal circumstance, past history, daily routine or most remote part of your being that you can possibly think of, that they could call into question? Think Kronk. Because as I've said before, these people terrify me.

For the first time, I am really worried about this going after the searchers thing, way beyond just the idea of putting their names into outer space. I feel so strange right about now. I'm not sure how to describe this, but, I mean Amy, Tony, Hawkins, Annie, Roy Kronk, all of them are so vital to the case and as much as I feel so so deeply for their troubles, it hasn't really affected me so personally until now, until FlaMom, and I didn't even realize that until just now. All along I'd felt such empathy and personal invasion on behalf of Amy, et. al, but now, I really feel like one of US is being prowled upon and I am just beside myself.

Maybe I am over worried, as everyone has said FlaMom you have every right to tell them to just go away, but my question is, the way this defense team operates, is that the smart thing to do? I hate to admit, I'm almost afraid of them at this point.

I'm rambling, I know, but I'm torn with so many emotions right now, I feel like I"m on the defensive even though I've done nothing, and certainly none of the searchers have done anything wrong. If I feel this defeated, does it mean the defense is winning? I can't have that.

Must re-evaluate how I feel.

Thanks for the concern. I didn't want them to thnk I had anything to hide, and I don't have anything to hide. So I felt fine talking about what I saw and did. If they keep this up it will be on the scary side, because it shows they are trying to wear me down about this and I will start to not cooperate with them. Like I am there now, third time done.

They are not winning, and that is another reason If eveyone says I won't talk to you at least a reasonable amount of times they think we are lying and holding out info to get Casey off and we won't do it because we don't like her.

I certainly don't think I have anything they can dig up, but when they start doing that people would come out of the woodwork and point them in directions you would not even think of probably. Like Kronks ex-wife and the duct tape. We do have duct tape here. NOT that brand though. Heaven forbid.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Ok I'll play devil's advocate here and ask a question you need NOT answer, but just think to yourself about. Is there anything, and I mean ANYTHING, in your personal circumstance, past history, daily routine or most remote part of your being that you can possibly think of, that they could call into question? Think Kronk. Because as I've said before, these people terrify me.

For the first time, I am really worried about this going after the searchers thing, way beyond just the idea of putting their names into outer space. I feel so strange right about now. I'm not sure how to describe this, but, I mean Amy, Tony, Hawkins, Annie, Roy Kronk, all of them are so vital to the case and as much as I feel so so deeply for their troubles, it hasn't really affected me so personally until now, until FlaMom, and I didn't even realize that until just now. All along I'd felt such empathy and personal invasion on behalf of Amy, et. al, but now, I really feel like one of US is being prowled upon and I am just beside myself.

Maybe I am over worried, as everyone has said FlaMom you have every right to tell them to just go away, but my question is, the way this defense team operates, is that the smart thing to do? I hate to admit, I'm almost afraid of them at this point.

I'm rambling, I know, but I'm torn with so many emotions right now, I feel like I"m on the defensive even though I've done nothing, and certainly none of the searchers have done anything wrong. If I feel this defeated, does it mean the defense is winning? I can't have that.

Must re-evaluate how I feel.

As of right now, there is no TOS violations so my comments are coming from strictly a personal one and not as a moderator.....

I have to agree with Gnatcatcher above, and am going to suggest that anyone who has contact with a defense investigator should now consider themselves to be a possible future defense witness and should refrain from discussing details of what was discussed with a PI online.

This is a public forum and the minute you start posting details of where you were on Suburban, what you told the investigator, etc....it becomes a statement from you, persay.

Even though you are being completely honest, to the best of your recollection after 2 years, even the slightest deviance in details will give the defense that one little opening to exploit. As we have seen, the defense is very good at the "word game" since that is all they have going for them at this point....

Even though in the end, your truth will stand out, it could be a very hard and dirty road you have to travel down to get there. So I would be careful about what you are memorializing online...

One more tidbit of personal advice....I have testified as a witness in three trials and in all three cases, the attorneys and DAs coached me to:

1. Only answer the question asked....in as few of words as possible (yes/no).

2. Do not add additional commentary to any direct answer.

Just some friendly advice....:dance:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Thanks for the concern. I didn't want them to thnk I had anything to hide, and I don't have anything to hide. So I felt fine talking about what I saw and did. If they keep this up it will be on the scary side, because it shows they are trying to wear me down about this and I will start to not cooperate with them. Like I am there now, third time done.

They are not winning, and that is another reason If eveyone says I won't talk to you at least a reasonable amount of times they think we are lying and holding out info to get Casey off and we won't do it because we don't like her.

I certainly don't think I have anything they can dig up, but when they start doing that people would come out of the woodwork and point them in directions you would not even think of probably. Like Kronks ex-wife and the duct tape. We do have duct tape here. NOT that brand though. Heaven forbid.

I personally don't think the defense is trying to insinuate that you have anything to hide, but I do think that they are trying to find at least one witness statement that they can "manipulate" into inferring that there was no standing water on Suburban....

 

[ThinkTank]

I personally don't think the defense is trying to insinuate that you have anything to hide, but I do think that they are trying to find at least one witness statement that they can "manipulate" into inferring that there was no standing water on Suburban....

and just a thought .... it will not be difficult for same investigator to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that screen name "fla *mom" on WS is the woman he interviewed today, and can monitor this site for what is being said by whom, and perhaps give the Defense grounds to complain that specific bloggers are not giving Inmate Anthony a fair trial?? Maybe try to open a door for the Defense to bring bloggers into the case?

 

[Kentjbkent]

and just a thought .... it will not be difficult for same investigator to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that screen name "fla *mom" on WS is the woman he interviewed today, and can monitor this site for what is being said by whom, and perhaps give the Defense grounds to complain that specific bloggers are not giving Inmate Anthony a fair trial?? Maybe try to open a door for the Defense to bring bloggers into the case?

Yes, a poster on another forum long suspected of having close ties to the defense team alluded to such earlier today....

 

[fla*mom]

and just a thought .... it will not be difficult for same investigator to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that screen name "fla *mom" on WS is the woman he interviewed today, and can monitor this site for what is being said by whom, and perhaps give the Defense grounds to complain that specific bloggers are not giving Inmate Anthony a fair trial?? Maybe try to open a door for the Defense to bring bloggers into the case?

This is just getting bizzar to think It could get that far. I suppose it is very real though. I guess if anything else happens I will be on my own then. How is a person to know what to do. Not even my own family thinks it is anything, but wierd. As you can tell I don't have any experience with stuff like this and the truth may not be enough.

I guess TM biggest fear could come true after all. No one would put themselves out there again. And I thought I would, but maybe not.

I don't think i can I can edit them now, feel free to erase anything you want.

 

[Intermezzo]

Not that it makes a hill of beans difference, the guy is good at getting you to talk. Very personable.

I was making soup at the time and when he was leaving he said "Oh, next time I come I will be here later in the day so the soup will be done.

Chatted about how he was retired New York cop/detective and was very good at it. (Good at getting a person to feel like you could talk to him. He just didn't know I had nothing to give him.)

bbm

fla*mom,
I don't mean to alarm you..just want you to be aware, based on my own personal experience, that because you think you had nothing to offer does not necessarily mean the Defense will think the same.

I too am in Central Florida and a P.I came to my door investigating for the Defense in a criminal case. She spoke to me in a way that made me feel comfortable with her, like an old friend, she tried to find a way to connect with me using the smell of what I was cooking and what a lovely house yada yada, for those moments I forgot we were complete strangers and that the PI had been sent to my home with a clear motive to obtain certain information from me..

I was subpoenaed to testify for the Defense. I was :furious:, I was all for the victim..Like you I really did have nothing to offer the Defense but I was called on to testify...it was a huge waste...the Judge reprimanded the Defense lawyer.

Just wanted to share my story so you are aware...:angel:

 

[dsntslp]

:censored::censored::censored::censored::censored:

ETA: Hi FLA MOM.
Hang in there.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

This is just getting bizzar to think It could get that far. I suppose it is very real though. I guess if anything else happens I will be on my own then. How is a person to know what to do. Not even my own family thinks it is anything, but wierd. As you can tell I don't have any experience with stuff like this and the truth may not be enough.

I guess TM biggest fear could come true after all. No one would put themselves out there again. And I thought I would, but maybe not.

I don't think i can I can edit them now, feel free to erase anything you want.

BBM

You will not be on your own, you will have TM, and Mark NeJame, and the entire WS community, HHJBP, and natural justice behind you all the way! You had the right spirit in your heart to go out and search for Caylee and the universe knows it. Just because her killer and defenders of her killer want to try and save her skin at the end of the day it will not work, and you will be fine. Now I agree you have to be careful in your dealings with these predators, but don't ever think that you are on your own because you are not.

The world is watching this one.

XOXOX