All Things Britney Spears Part 4

[FlowerChild]

Britney didn't go on his show and those who do must sign a release. Until and unless someone does, he cannot share their problems with the world.

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Dr Phil had NO BUSINESS making ANY statements about Britney, NO BUSINESS being in her hospital and certainly NO BUSINESS in Britney's room without HER PERMISSION/INVITATION. He has NO PRIVILEGES at Cedar's Sinai and therefore should NEVER have been allowed in Britney's room unless she or one of her Drs invited him (NOT HER FATHER). He should have been turned away by the hospital - but was allowed to go into Britney's room because HE IS FAMOUS and said he was going to "help" her. More like "help her" to appear on his TV show! Britneys' parents are scheduled to appear on Dr Phil Tuesday - just go to his web site. Brit's parents LOVE Dr Phil and supposedly have had a long-term relationship with he and his wife. Dr Phil says Lynn Spears is a "exceptional/wonderful mother" and Dr Phil's wife said the Spears family is making it thru this tough time with prayer. Evidently they are also "making it thru" by appearing on a national TV show and talking about Britney without her permission or presence to defend herself. That's JUST HORRID - Dr Phil and her parents should he ASHAMED! This is NOT GOING TO HELP Britney any more than Virgie Arthur going on TV and blasting Anna Nicole in the midst of her grief helped Anna (and could precipitate a similar sad result).

What Britney needs is a forced stay in a good hospital where they can get her off some prescriptions that may be making her worse and ON some that might stabilize her. From the info we have it appears Britney has been diagnosed with ADD and takes meds for that and also an anti-anxiety drug. Without an anti-depressant or anti-psychotic with it, Ritalin or Adderall are just going to exacerbate her mania.

Despite her erratic behavior I also agree that she is NOT TAKING illegal drugs and is not an alcoholic. She is OBVIOUSLY having severe and prolonged bouts of MANIA - she is not sleeping, up at all hours, driving aimlessly, making poor decisions and has no impulse control - and gets "out of control" easily. We have seen less public evidence of depression, but we would hardly see that in public - likely she hides at home - although the occasional poorly groomed appearance she presents is a telltale sign she is having problems on the down side as well as the "up". And people with mania have a very hard time giving up the "mania" - they FEEL GOOD when in the throes of mania - good, perfect, strong, happy and invincible. No problems, no worries, no reality...they feel as if they can DO ANYTHING - and while in reality they perform most tasks very poorly and make VERY poor decisions - they do not perceive it that way. Spending money is a huge red flag - but Brit is so rich, she cannot begin to spend her wealth fast enough to hit bottom that way. And mania does not lend itself to listening to others without being forced by the law, your circumstances or your loved ones to do so. Brit will hit bottom eventually, let's hope not fatally - but if she continues to remain basically un-medicated and untreated and make poor decisions without impulse control there are no guarantees. She's manic most of the time - she is feeling invincible -and her money and her entourage and her family are insulating her from the worst consequences. Brit is not living in reality - she feels so great that NOTHING could possibly be wrong with her.......

It's kinda like being an alcoholic - since she is an adult (no parental control or influence) and not married and has no children who depend solely on her - unless Britney wants to help herself and take her meds (most bi-polars like her are NOT good at taking their meds, they don't LIKE feeling normal after operating in mania for so long) she is NOT going to get "better"...ever. Unless someone gets her committed, don't look for Brit to change - or keep taking her meds after she is released unless FORCED to. Ain't gonna happen.

And while we may not approve of Britney making her own custom "mix" of OTC and prescription drugs - if she has a script for them THEY ARE LEGAL for her to take. She may very well be self medicating - but legally so. And we still DO NOT KNOW as fact that she was over-medicated on ANYTHING when she went to hospital. She may have just had a psychotic break, not drug related at all.

IMO, The ONLY way to help Britney right now is to take all the decisions and control away from her legally and FORCE her into a situation for MONTHS where she is monitored and supervised 24/7 (like Owen Wilson). It is the ONLY way Brit is going to comply with the Drs orders and learn to LIVE with her illness long-term....and even then, if she is like most, she will continue to have issues and relapses where she has to change meds and get back on track, on and off her whole life.

My Opinion

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Flowerchild, that was an excellent post. Hitting on almost every detail that truly needs to be followed through with from the beginning til the end, to ensure Brit's complete recovery back into a more peaceful existance.

I have compassion for Brit because I never believed it was substances being the driving force, but deep rooted hurt and suffering along with immaturity of age, experience and then being famous and the whole world sees every little minute detail of all of your actions so they can scornfully make unsubstantiated remarks, Brit is in a world she's never had to deal with, divorce, child custody issues, being a new overwhelming mother back to back, along with so many depending on their own paychecks based on her.

I agree with Dr. Phil on some issues I've seen him address and deal with, but several issues I also don't like the way he's handled them, thus I don't watch Dr. Phil or Oprah or any other talk show. Though I don't see eye to eye with Dr, Phil he could very well be the person to reach her. All it takes is for the right person at the right time and season and many miracles could happen for Brit.

 

[lymom3]

Bottom line is she has to want to help herself. Forcing her into a long term situation to stabilze her is a good start. Once she is stabilized then it's up to her whether she is dedicated to making her life the best it can be. If she's not on board it's never going to work. The immaturity and just flat out being spoiled and never told no is evident. She needs rules and limits and a clue as to what appropriate behavior is. The question is how do you instill that in someone her age? That all should have been done in her formative years.

I hope for her sake that she can get to a place in her life where she is important enough to herself to fight for. Until then, the issue needs to be forced. She's incapable of making informed decisions that are in her best interest right now.

 

[JBean]

Bottom line is she has to want to help herself. Forcing her into a long term situation to stabilze her is a good start. Once she is stabilized then it's up to her whether she is dedicated to making her life the best it can be. If she's not on board it's never going to work. The immaturity and just flat out being spoiled and never told no is evident. She needs rules and limits and a clue as to what appropriate behavior is. The question is how do you instill that in someone her age? That all should have been done in her formative years.

I hope for her sake that she can get to a place in her life where she is important enough to herself to fight for. Until then, the issue needs to be forced. She's incapable of making informed decisions that are in her best interest right now.

The operative phrase here is "force her". She is a major and can't be forced to do anything, at this point.
Even in CA on a 5150- is only 72 hours and ONLY if they say the words"I am going to kill myself or commit suicide" If they don't say those words, they cannot hold them. If I say I think they are suicidal it doesn't mean anything unless the person says it themselves. I have been down this road and it is indeed frustrating.

 

[alpharee]

BTW, Dr. Phil does not just have a person in trouble on his show then drop them after they stop tape.
This is not shock jock TV. It's not Jerry Springer or Montel Williams.
I've only watched intermittantly, as I do have a life, but I consider him to offer helpful solutions which apply to his viewers as well as his guests. There's no way he could practice deep, probing Jungian therapy in 1 hour, but from what I've seen, he does offer an introduction to the principles of cognitive behavior modification therapy to the average layperson.

I know firsthand what he is...been there, done that....he's an entertainer, just as Montell and Jerry Springer. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. It's about about ratings.

 

[christine2448]

I can't speak of the details, sorry. but I can tell you what he said and did was pretty much a load of bullcarp.
He is defintiely an entertainer.

Don't mean to repeat, haven't followed this much, but was laughing at Dr Phil going to see Britney...I thought, she really must be nuts if she called him!


I found this

TMZ tells us the visit was actually more of an ambush.
And the instigators were reportedly none other than Brit's family, who inexplicably are rumored to be appearing on Dr. Phil this week.
The Website quotes sources on the floor where Britney was hospitalized as saying Dr. Phil showed up Saturday morning unbeknownst to Brit, and she was not happy to see him, even walking out of the room.

Not sure if Eonline is a rag or not..but thought that interesting.

 

[MREG2]

I know firsthand what he is...been there, done that....he's an entertainer, just as Montell and Jerry Springer. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. It's about about ratings.

OT - How's the baby? (forgive me but I can't remember her name :blushing: )

 

[alpharee]

I can't go into details but I will tell you if you go on his show, you must sign a contract stating you will not speak ill towards him or his staff or you are open to lawsuit. I think that's pretty crappy in itself. It keeps people from telling about their real experience with the Dr. Phil Show. All the viewers see is what happened during the taping. There's alot more that goes on, that viewers never see. I'd LOVE to share my experience but am forced to keep my mouth shut. My opinion of him and his staff is that of an entertainer. That's all I can say.

 

[alpharee]

baby is doing great, Mreg! Growing like crazy! Christmas was awesome this year! Thanks for asking!

 

[MREG2]

baby is doing great, Mreg! Growing like crazy! Christmas was awesome this year! Thanks for asking!

It goes by fast doesn't it? Glad to hear everyone is doing well!!

 

[alpharee]

yes it does. Too fast! She has 4 teeth now and is trying to crawl. She's a handful for sure but I wouldn't trade it for anything!

 

[alpharee]

And my opinion on the Brit issue.

I think Dr. Phil was wrong in going to Brit's room. Unless she called him, he had no business being there and he definately should not have made any type of "release" as to her condition, etc. It was WRONG. I truly believe even if her dad called him, it was a jump for ratings and to see if he could get Brit to come on his show. again, for ratings...

 

[Clearly Confused]

And my opinion on the Brit issue.

I think Dr. Phil was wrong in going to Brit's room. Unless she called him, he had no business being there and he definately should not have made any type of "release" as to her condition, etc. It was WRONG. I truly believe even if her dad called him, it was a jump for ratings and to see if he could get Brit to come on his show. again, for ratings...

I agree...he shouldn't have made any comment and IMO did it for ratings.

 

[LinasK]

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He's no doctor imho (all doctors are suppose to follow the oath...first do no harm...he doesn't follow that rule at all) and he should be ashamed of using this terrible thing for viewer numbers on his show. That girl don't need one more person to use her for personal gain. It's sad. If they really wanted her to get help they'd do this in private where it belongs.

He's not an M.D. He has a Ph.D. in Psychology which grants him the right of the title Doctor.

 

[LinasK]

F.Y.I. to prove he is not in it for ratings, Dr. Phil has decided not to do the show. He was never going to air Brittney's problems, only talk about the difficulties of the situation, liking forcing someone to get help when they don't see the need.
IMO Brittney is a spoiled brat who will turn out just like Anna Nicole Smith.
Bi-polar people don't purposely go without underwear, I've known at least 3 bi-polar people in my life.

 

[CW]

Britney Spears Abandons Car on Street, Cops Impound Vehicle
Monday January 7, 2008

http://www.usmagazine.com/britneys_car_towed

 

[JBean]

F.Y.I. to prove he is not in it for ratings, Dr. Phil has decided not to do the show. He was never going to air Brittney's problems, only talk about the difficulties of the situation, liking forcing someone to get help when they don't see the need.
IMO Brittney is a spoiled brat who will turn out just like Anna Nicole Smith.
Bi-polar people don't purposely go without underwear, I've known at least 3 bi-polar people in my life.

I do not doubt for one minute that this was about ratings, ratings, and more ratings. If he was trying to be genuinely helpful he never would have divulged any information at all. He only decided not to air the show because he took so much heat from his colleagues about his unethical and unprofessional behavior IMO.
He needs to get over himself.
JMHO of course!

 

[JBean]

Britney Spears Abandons Car on Street, Cops Impound Vehicle
Monday January 7, 2008

http://www.usmagazine.com/britneys_car_towed

she doesn't waste any time.

 

[KansasCutie]

F.Y.I. to prove he is not in it for ratings, Dr. Phil has decided not to do the show. He was never going to air Brittney's problems, only talk about the difficulties of the situation, liking forcing someone to get help when they don't see the need.
IMO Brittney is a spoiled brat who will turn out just like Anna Nicole Smith.
Bi-polar people don't purposely go without underwear, I've known at least 3 bi-polar people in my life.

i agree.

 

[Filly]

Was Robin with Doctor Phil? Seriously, he got an addiction to holding his wife's hand after every show and walking off into the sunset with her. Did he talk real loud to Brit? That cracks me up when he raises his voice to people as if shouting will make it sink in better. I'm feeling way sorry for that chick if all this is true. That'd be a nightmare waking up in a psych ward and seeing Doctor Phil.