All Things Britney Spears Part 4

[Dark Knight]

Was Robin with Doctor Phil? Seriously, he got an addiction to holding his wife's hand after every show and walking off into the sunset with her. Did he talk real loud to Brit? That cracks me up when he raises his voice to people as if shouting will make it sink in better. I'm feeling way sorry for that chick if all this is true. That'd be a nightmare waking up in a psych ward and seeing Doctor Phil.

He was a guest on the Hour of Power with Dr. Schuller a year or two ago and after he got done talking, what did he do? Walked off the podium, took his wife's hand, and walked out the doors! LOL! The exact same thing he does at the end of his show! That too staged for my taste.

 

[CarpeDiem]

I really think Britney's parents invited Dr. Phil there in desperation while knowing she would be discharged. In that moment, I believe they saw this as the last chance, a last chance for reason to go to treatment so she could get help. He isn't a stranger to this family, he had a close relationship with them. There was nothing left to lose, except her life.

At any rate, here's his comments as of last night. I'm still supporting him. :truce:

"As for the criticism McGraw has encountered over his stepping into the Britney situation, particularly in the tabloids and on blogs, he hurls the brick right back.

"They are waiting for her next meltdown. These are the people that are stalking her and they want to criticize me for trying to help her, for trying to bring help to her in cooperation with the family that loves her. Get real," he says. "Somebody needs to step up and get this young woman in to some quality care – and I do not apologize one whit, not one second, for trying to make that happen."

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20169823,00.html

 

[believe09]

Was Robin with Doctor Phil? Seriously, he got an addiction to holding his wife's hand after every show and walking off into the sunset with her. Did he talk real loud to Brit? That cracks me up when he raises his voice to people as if shouting will make it sink in better. I'm feeling way sorry for that chick if all this is true. That'd be a nightmare waking up in a psych ward and seeing Doctor Phil.

OMG, this made me laugh out loud-thanks Filly!!!

 

[hockeymom]

I'm alittle confused here. I worked in a psyciatric hospital in Calf. a long time ago,but I think the laws are the same. If Brittany was put on a 72 hour hold,I don't know how she got out early. She could not sign herself out,because believe me,every patient in there would do the same. Someone(the admitting physician,maybe),had to let her go. Not everyone comes right out and threatens suicide,homocide,or the other criteria,unable to take care of ones own needs. It may take a couple days for observation,so thats why the need for 72 hours. If they think someone needs continuing care,they try to get the person to sign in voluntarily or they must have a hearing to show just cause to hold someone for another 14 days. So how did she get out?
Believe me nobody is helping this girl,by allowing special treatment and celebrity Drs.. whether she is truelly sick(which I believe) or just being a brat. Her fame will be the end of her.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I have not posted on a "Brit" thread simply because I felt I was also the "odd person out". I truly think/feel the way you do and I so very much appreciate this post.

Having family members who are struggling with mental illness as well as severe postpartum "depression", I cannot help but feel this is exactly what this woman is going through. Add in celebrity under a severe microscope, an ex husband who I truly think is out for himself even before all this began (poor, poor choice by BS), 2 babies within a year, break up of marriage (where I do not think any of us really know the dirt behind it all...), and BS was prime physically and emotionally for a breakdown. My own family member suffered and it was several years of meds and therapy that pulled her through. She is not bipolar nor does she suffer from any other mental illness. However, her last pregnancy/birth sent her as well as her family down a very frightening spiral. She is wonderful now, but it took time...much time.

I believe BS absolutely loves her sons. I also agree that KFed and lawyers are the ones feeding the frenzy. Postpartum depression is not well understood and if it were the help out there would be quick. I cannot and will not judge this woman. So much occurred in her personal life so very, very quickly. More than she could handle. I will not blame her Mother. I think it is a shame how her private life is so under a microscope and KFed is reaping in the shambles of it. Once BS gets it together, she will have her babies back and they will know and love their Mom.

I wish her well and support. It's not her fault. It's not her fault.....

Britteny is not a child, she's a grown adult woman that has had her children taken from her. She has the means to get all the help she could possible require by the very best anywhere in the world. She's not some lower middle class mom suffering with no health insurance and sub standard care available.

Having her children taken from her should have been a wake up call....that call has gone unanswered. Yes, I hold her fully accountable and responsible for her own behavior.

 

[believe09]

is she bi polar, PPD, on drugs that aren't being talked about? No one knows and we shouldn't quite frankly-I think her family is being consistent with the kind of "help" they are offering her if media reports are accurate in that they are choosing a superficial means of treatment (Get Real) vs. taking the steps required to get her lasting help. These folks have been on the "spin" wagon too long. As has she...If I were to have a chat with BS from my 30,000 ft level, I would advise her to get out of the limelight and find a place where she can have some peace to mull over what has just happened. Of course she is still acting out-abandoning her car etc...she lives in a fish bowl and she has just lost her children with no hope of seeing them until she makes some essential changes. Even her attorneys want out.

I hope this story has a happy ending for everyone, but it is hard to be optimistic...

 

[alpharee]

I do not doubt for one minute that this was about ratings, ratings, and more ratings. If he was trying to be genuinely helpful he never would have divulged any information at all. He only decided not to air the show because he took so much heat from his colleagues about his unethical and unprofessional behavior IMO.
He needs to get over himself.
JMHO of course!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: AMEN!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm alittle confused here. I worked in a psyciatric hospital in Calf. a long time ago,but I think the laws are the same. If Brittany was put on a 72 hour hold,I don't know how she got out early. She could not sign herself out,because believe me,every patient in there would do the same. Someone(the admitting physician,maybe),had to let her go. Not everyone comes right out and threatens suicide,homocide,or the other criteria,unable to take care of ones own needs. It may take a couple days for observation,so thats why the need for 72 hours. If they think someone needs continuing care,they try to get the person to sign in voluntarily or they must have a hearing to show just cause to hold someone for another 14 days. So how did she get out?
Believe me nobody is helping this girl,by allowing special treatment and celebrity Drs.. whether she is truelly sick(which I believe) or just being a brat. Her fame will be the end of her.

I believe they can keep someone "up to" 72 hours. It doesn't have to be the full 72 hours. If they believe the person is no longer a danger to herself or others, they can release her. If the facility wants to keep the person longer, they can request a court order to do so, but the person then will have the right to an attorney to represent them and show cause to the judge why they should not be held longer.

 

[MsPooh]

I love this!
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Dr._Feel
Dr. Feel is the Sesame Street spoof of TV pop psychologist Dr. Phil..



Sorry I went OT, I'll hop back on now

 

[FlowerChild]

F.Y.I. to prove he is not in it for ratings, Dr. Phil has decided not to do the show. He was never going to air Brittney's problems, only talk about the difficulties of the situation, liking forcing someone to get help when they don't see the need.
IMO Brittney is a spoiled brat who will turn out just like Anna Nicole Smith.
Bi-polar people don't purposely go without underwear, I've known at least 3 bi-polar people in my life.

People in the grip of mania (in Brit's case , close to psychotic break mania) do all manner of shocking things. Improper sexuality and compulsive sex are both symptoms of severe mania. Brit is probably feeling compelled to have sex...with anyone...without regard to her own safety. Remember when she was all over KFed constantly - in public? Talking about her overwhelming desire for sex? That's mania/ADD talking. Sex serves as a "soothing" activity for them - but then theres that crazy compulsion issue - they can't stop. The crotch shots sans undies, the short dresses, the strange inappropriate outfits, the overt sexuality in public, the "acting out" for the cameras - when you put them all together it's clearly severe mania...by a woman who is emotionally about age 15. It's very sad, actually.

My Opinion

 

[Jules]

People in the grip of mania (in Brit's case , close to psychotic break mania) do all manner of shocking things. Improper sexuality and compulsive sex are both symptoms of severe mania. Brit is probably feeling compelled to have sex...with anyone...without regard to her own safety. Remember when she was all over KFed constantly - in public? Talking about her overwhelming desire for sex? That's mania/ADD talking. Sex serves as a "soothing" activity for them - but then theres that crazy compulsion issue - they can't stop. The crotch shots sans undies, the short dresses, the strange inappropriate outfits, the overt sexuality in public, the "acting out" for the cameras - when you put them all together it's clearly severe mania...by a woman who is emotionally about age 15. It's very sad, actually.

My Opinion

When you put it this way, it sounds exactly like Anna. Very sad indeed.

 

[believe09]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: AMEN!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Ditto on that!!!!!

 

[reportertype]

I do not doubt for one minute that this was about ratings, ratings, and more ratings. If he was trying to be genuinely helpful he never would have divulged any information at all. He only decided not to air the show because he took so much heat from his colleagues about his unethical and unprofessional behavior IMO.
He needs to get over himself.
JMHO of course!

I think you're spot on, JBean.

 

[JBean]

I'm alittle confused here. I worked in a psyciatric hospital in Calf. a long time ago,but I think the laws are the same. If Brittany was put on a 72 hour hold,I don't know how she got out early. She could not sign herself out,because believe me,every patient in there would do the same. Someone(the admitting physician,maybe),had to let her go. Not everyone comes right out and threatens suicide,homocide,or the other criteria,unable to take care of ones own needs. It may take a couple days for observation,so thats why the need for 72 hours. If they think someone needs continuing care,they try to get the person to sign in voluntarily or they must have a hearing to show just cause to hold someone for another 14 days. So how did she get out?
Believe me nobody is helping this girl,by allowing special treatment and celebrity Drs.. whether she is truelly sick(which I believe) or just being a brat. Her fame will be the end of her.

I have to tell you what I have seen in my own experience. My gf's son has always been depressed and close to suicide from outward appearances. Cannot tell you how many times his mom and i took him to the ER when he was "losing it" and begged them to keep him for psychiatric hold. They would take him in and ask him are you thinking of killing yourself? if he said no, that was the end of the road. They could not keep him a minute longer and he could sign himself out. They told us if he does not say the words they have no way to keep him. They said there was absolutely nothing they could do if he didn't want to stay.
So, she may have gone initially on a 5150, but if she said I am not suicidal, that is the end of the road.
When I had a friend have a failed attempt at suicide, they kept her in ICU until she was stable enough to be moved. They then released her only to a Psychiatric ward at another hospital. She was kept there for 72 hours and then they decided to let her go after several sessions with the attending psychiatrist.
I have to tell you, being in that ward scared her to death.( or maybe that is better said it scared her to life) It was like a movie set with people screaming and running around. It changed her outlook on life completely and she has been improving ever since. Being committed for that 72 hours literally saved her life.

 

[Clearly Confused]

JBean...I also had someone inside of that ward for attempted suicide and visiting them was the worst experience of my life. It scared my friend pretty good too although she has been back once since. Seeing someone strapped to a bed and doped up was something I will never in my life forget.

 

[JBean]

JBean...I also had someone inside of that ward for attempted suicide and visiting them was the worst experience of my life. It scared my friend pretty good too although she has been back once since. Seeing someone strapped to a bed and doped up was something I will never in my life forget.

Boy do I know what you mean.
My friend intentionally OD'ed. She was also strapped down in ICU with the ventilator down her throat and the charcoal running out of her mouth and it was horrible. really horrible. I am a pretty strong person, but standing there with her parents and her close friends keeping vigil at her bedside was pretty emotional and very disturbing.
I picked her up from the psych ward when she was released and had to go inside to get her. It was really scary.
She called me when she first got there and begged me hysterically to get her. of course I didn't and couldn't because it was a mandatory hold,but it was very emotional.

 

[SeekingJana]

I just heard on TV that Brit is back for In- Pt treatment. Not sure I believe it's true though. I can't find any collaborating sources.

 

[lymom3]

I just heard on TV that Brit is back for In- Pt treatment. Not sure I believe it's true though. I can't find any collaborating sources.

I pray that is true

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Britteny is not a child, she's a grown adult woman that has had her children taken from her. She has the means to get all the help she could possible require by the very best anywhere in the world. She's not some lower middle class mom suffering with no health insurance and sub standard care available.

Having her children taken from her should have been a wake up call....that call has gone unanswered. Yes, I hold her fully accountable and responsible for her own behavior.

Respectively, it does not matter if you have the means, the adult age you are, or if there is help put there for you for the asking. If you cannot see the simple tree save for the forest, you cannot nor will ask for help. That is the difficulty of mental illness. Know it, seen it, and still have family members of an adult that cannot help their daughter because she is of legal age. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, literally. She is prescribed meds that she needs, but when she feels "well" she goes off them and problems arise again. This is unfortunately, typical.

Unless there is some "crime" or a threat to others, the longest a patient can be held is 72 hours. With an incident of "harm" towards others (unless proven true harm to self) it is 30 days max. If the person is over the age of 18, the family cannot do a thing to protect their family member unless well documented...for years. It's not that simple. Sadly.

It is not so easy as many seem to think it is. What my family has gone through over the last several years has been nothing short of heartbreak concern and having absolutely no choice but wait for the last shoe to drop (again and again and again ) because she is over the legal age of parental involvement.

I does not matter what your "status" is in life. Insurance or not, family involvement/intervention or not. It BS "thinks" she does not need help (no matter what level), no one can force it on her, no matter their love or commitment towards her.

Mental illness screws up the normal and healthy perspective of life. We cannot blame BS if this is the case nor can we blame her family. This is truly a nightmare for all.

 

[hockeymom]

Was an actual 72 hour hold filed? If so,the Dr. must have had probable cause to be able to file one.You just don't get one on someone on a whim. So my question is why did he let her out,before the 72 hours? Only a psyciatrist can sign her out. In 4 years I don't think I ever saw not even once,someone on a 72 hour hold be released before it was complete. You need that time to evaluate someone. My guess is because she is a celebrity,and Dr. Phil butt in,they agreed to release her. Completley unethical ,IMO. And if she did harm someone else or herself,there would be one fat lawsuit!!
BTW,the reason the laws are the way they are is because in the old days,if someone wanted to get rid of someone without killing them,they could,"commit" them,and like everyone has said,psych wards can be very scary. So the person protests and appears more crazy,validating why they are there. Now,you have to really be put under the microscope and evaluated carefully,so a family member just can't lock you up forever. But sometimes the system fails,and people who need help don't get it.