Alleged abuse photos

[Littleone48]

Tichad I have to agree with you. Even Nancy Grace is on to her and I cannot wait for her to get a look at these photos and the info to go along with it! It's more than disturbing and very sad that she would do this with her child missing! I couldn't count the number of times my children had been bumped up and bruised over the years. In any case I cannot put my finger on it but have had a hinky feeling about Crystal and her mom from the get go. The other thing that is odd to me at least is we never see her fiancee around.

I would be more concerned if in any of these pictures you could see handprints. I cannot see a pattern of the bruises, they look like normal brusies to me. Just more smoke and mirrors IMO

 

[Jholi]

We can all give our opinions on the photos as to abuse or not. The only people who would know for sure are the parent and the child. This child needs to be interviewed by an expert. No one actually knows for sure what has or has not happened to those children in the home. It is hard for me to hear people sweep away any concern about the possibility of abuse w/out an interview by a forensic specialist first. You cannot tell from the outside, just looking at pics or the injury whether it's abuse or not. The child has the answers and his story should be heard. I know what I speak of, I was abused for 13 years before anyone believed me. You really cannot tell by looking from the outside. I have broken bones and scars that were visible in school that were explained away as "normal" childhood play injuries.

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Me too. I can only hope it's only a result of the staunch partisanship.

(I'm so very sorry you had to endure that as a child. :hug

 

[Indigo]

I don't either.

Also, if I saw that pattern of bruises on my child, there is no way I would brush them off. Especially if his big sister told me "Daddy hit him with a stick."

I'm accepting the innocent explanation of Haleigh's face. And having boys myself, I'm more than aware of normal bruising. But that pattern - with the arm and the thigh - it's too well known. No one should observe that classic pattern and brush it off as normal. IMO

Yes,Jholi. I agree, It's the linear pattern of the bruises that is unusual.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/html/ojjdp/portable_guides/abuse/bruises.html

 

[nnglas]

I understand that Crystal has reported this before. But DFC has ruled the house safe. Do I think DFC is 100% accurate all the time? Heck no. But if they have repeatedly gone back to the house and found nothing amiss, then I will believe them.

Why did Crystal never have proof of abuse in court to show 2 different judges at 3 different times? THAT is suspicious to me.

Other than the picture of Haleigh getting hurt at school, there is STILL no proof of abuse. If Crystal and her attorney keep pushing these things, then there's a chance that she can lose her visitation until she has a psychiatric evaluation. I've seen it done before on people who repeatedly file false claims and take up the courts valuable time.

Really? Her child is missing. With no explanation. Babysitter can't get story straight. RC married this babysitter who LE says it the key to the disappearance. I really don't think she will have that many problems.

 

[Jholi]

I would be more concerned if in any of these pictures you could see handprints. I cannot see a pattern of the bruises, they look like normal brusies to me. Just more smoke and mirrors IMO

Jr's arm shows clear hand/fingerprints. IMO

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I don't either.

Also, if I saw that pattern of bruises on my child, there is no way I would brush them off. Especially if his big sister told me "Daddy hit him with a stick."

I'm accepting the innocent explanation of Haleigh's face. And having boys myself, I'm more than aware of normal bruising. But that pattern - with the arm and the thigh - it's too well known. No one should observe that classic pattern and brush it off as normal. IMO

In my opinion, those marks are switch marks. For DCF to claim this form of discipline is within the law is disturbing.

My grandmother would whip us with whatever was handy. Belt, spatula, switch, fly swatter. I know switch marks when I see them.

 

[cajun]

OMG, she did report it!!!!

they reported the banged up face on Haleigh as soon as crystal picked her up and went by her dad's? do you have the link for that?

 

[nnglas]

they reported the banged up face on Haleigh as soon as crystal picked her up and went by her dad's? do you have the link for that?

They reported the brusies on Jr.

 

[Busylady]

There are no dates on the pictures of RJ, some of the bruise pictures look like the same bruise just photo more than once. Did she just the last two weeks take pictures of every scratch and bruise on his body? What 4 yr old does not have bruises on their legs or scratches from playing outside, riding a bike, climbing on things? If this is abuse I am in real trouble.

Also as far as bruising on Haleigh, I wish I was comfortable posting a picture of my daughter when she was 3, she fell and hit the corner of her eye on the edge of a shower door no stitches required the ER just put a butterfly bandage on, by next morning from her eye to her chin on one side was bruised and swollen, I took her back to ER because I was afraid something was broken for her to bruise like that they checked her again and explained she probably hit the side of her nose as she fell and anytime that occurs bruising will be wide spread.

I think the fact that she took the pictures at the time of the injuries show she was concerned then. The pictures of Jr were reported to the authorities at the time. I don't understand why it is so hard to understand that.

 

[texasmommy39]

How many obstructions are we going to pick apart. You can't solve a case that is strewn with lies and deciet it will always lead to dead ends. So you must look at the evidence it doesn't lie nor change. It may mislead you momentarily but will never lie.

 

[texasmommy39]

How many obstructions are we going to pick apart. You can't solve a case that is strewn with lies and deciet it will always lead to dead ends. So you must look at the evidence it doesn't lie nor change. It may mislead you momentarily but will never lie.

 

[cajun]

They reported the brusies on Jr.

I am not talking about jr. I said Haleigh. did they report Haleigh and her messed up face to DCF?

 

[Tichad3]

Really? Her child is missing. With no explanation. Babysitter can't get story straight. RC married this babysitter who LE says it the key to the disappearance. I really don't think she will have that many problems.

I think they will have problems. Yes, their child is missing. BUT if a judge changed custody on that fact, it would set a precedent on all other missing persons cases. Having a missing child does not equate to abuse or neglect.

Being the key to an investigation, also, does not equate to be guilty of a crime. Misty is the last person to see Haleigh, that is why she is the key. I don't know where everyone is getting it that key=guilty. It's not the case.

Misty's stories have changed, that I agree with you on. But, I think it can be explained away with panic, worry, guilt, remorse or any of the other feelings associated with a missing child. I've never been in her place so I cannot relate.

 

[nnglas]

There are no dates on the pictures of RJ, some of the bruise pictures look like the same bruise just photo more than once. Did she just the last two weeks take pictures of every scratch and bruise on his body? What 4 yr old does not have bruises on their legs or scratches from playing outside, riding a bike, climbing on things? If this is abuse I am in real trouble.

Also as far as bruising on Haleigh, I wish I was comfortable posting a picture of my daughter when she was 3, she fell and hit the corner of her eye on the edge of a shower door no stitches required the ER just put a butterfly bandage on, by next morning from her eye to her chin on one side was bruised and swollen, I took her back to ER because I was afraid something was broken for her to bruise like that they checked her again and explained she probably hit the side of her noise as she fell and anytime that occurs bruising will be wide spread.

I am not saying that I believe these children were abused. What I am saying is that I can see how CS could think that they were. That is all I am saying. These are her children. She should do whatever she feels necessary regarding their well being. I just don't understand all of the crucifying of CS that is going on because she is worried about her kids. I think it is sick. One of her kids is missing. She is grasping for any and every explanation. I would be too.

 

[nnglas]

I am not talking about jr. I said Haleigh. did they report Haleigh and her messed up face to DCF?

I don't know if Haleighs bruises were reported. I was talking about Jr.

 

[Jholi]

I understand that Crystal has reported this before. But DFC has ruled the house safe. Do I think DFC is 100% accurate all the time? Heck no. But if they have repeatedly gone back to the house and found nothing amiss, then I will believe them.

Why did Crystal never have proof of abuse in court to show 2 different judges at 3 different times? THAT is suspicious to me.

Other than the picture of Haleigh getting hurt at school, there is STILL no proof of abuse. If Crystal and her attorney keep pushing these things, then there's a chance that she can lose her visitation until she has a psychiatric evaluation. I've seen it done before on people who repeatedly file false claims and take up the courts valuable time.

That has already been answered by her and us: she says the abuse didn't start until they were older. This is a very common and likely scenario (Jr was only 6 months old at the time, and Haleigh was 2 yet?)

:sheesh:

I'm still not convinced either way, and I'm being as fair as I can possibly be to both sides here. I just think answers that have already been given should be accepted when they are so commonly considered reasonable in other situations.

It's bothersome that the lines in the sand here have been so deeply drawn that one can predict another's analysis of even new information by whatever side they took before and how staunchly they've maintained it.

 

[WillenFan21]

Those bruises on the baby look like strike marks to me. Maybe a stick or a wooden spoon. The marks on Haleigh could go either way.

Looks like I am not the only who thinks this. Those marks look like they've been hit with a stick the way the lines go down and everything. I can see why they are investigating this.

 

[Quiche]

In my opinion, those marks are switch marks. For DCF to claim this form of discipline is within the law is disturbing.

My grandmother would whip us with whatever was handy. Belt, spatula, switch, fly swatter. I know switch marks when I see them.

I'm familiar with all of those too, plus the most dreaded wooden spoon...dang. I was never bruised by any of those things however.
These all look like play bumps to me. Also, if the one on his arm was from a switch-- wouldn't that "welt" continue onto his back or something? IDK, strange location for a bruise caused by a stick. moo

 

[KR2tonenow]

I hate to say this...and I know I will probably be eaten alive for it, but with the exception of the face shot, the others are just normal kid injuries. IMO.
The busted up face does worry me, but you should have seen my big guy about a week ago; bloody nose, two black eyes, bruise on his cheek and split lip. These things do happen and they aren't always abuse.

That first pic does not depic a fall. Was Haleigh taken to the doctor after this incident, and did the school have a note to back up the Cummings story? I'd like to see what DCF would say.

In my State and personally raising a child with disability, this incident would immediately be a MAJOR change in placement for my child, whether foster or another custodial relative.


Crystal is doing the right thing, keep digging the truth is there.

 

[Jholi]

In my opinion, those marks are switch marks. For DCF to claim this form of discipline is within the law is disturbing.

My grandmother would whip us with whatever was handy. Belt, spatula, switch, fly swatter. I know switch marks when I see them.

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Mine too. I don't think DCF thought they were acceptable, though; I expect that they just warned him and told him not to do it again, and gave him a strong lesson or reminder of what kind of spanking is acceptable.

Remember how he emphasized how he spanked according to what they said was the way to spank? I know they give that lesson as routine in all classes, but I expect it was fresh on his mind for this reason.