Alleged abuse photos

[titanfan62702]

Here goes my logical brain -- swatting anyone on the rear does not cause bruises on the legs.

Not all bruises or marks are child abuse. If so, I have a small chair that needs to be arrested and put in jail. My 5 year old grandson just fell against his little chair and has a mark across his chest.

 

[Razzle]

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Children talk they tell on those they feel hurt them or are mean to them.

Kinda like how Crystal is alleging that Haleigh told her RC hit Jr with a stick?

 

[Razzle]

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Not all bruises or marks are child abuse. If so, I have a small chair that needs to be arrested and put in jail. My 5 year old grandson just fell against his little chair and has a mark across his chest.

Bolding mine.

Yes, kids get hurt and bruised all the time from perfectly innocent play/daily life etc.
I believe everyone here is in agreement on that.

But The injuries in THESE PICS could be from abuse. Who knows?

IMOO everyone in this case seems shady. Maybe Ron hit the kids, maybe Crystal is lying. Maybe both. :bang:

 

[Donjeta]

Even Misty could have hit them. Crystal herself, somebody else connected with the children. Or no-one. We don't know at this point, but it's good that it's being investigated. Both because it is potentially relevant to what happened to Haleigh and because Jr needs a stable and safe home. Whichever way this turns out, I hope these people are getting some counseling because the parents don't seem to have been able to work very well together and in the future Jr. is going to need lots of support.

 

[BetsyB]

The pictures are posted. I am no one's side- I have no opinion on the family and their fights. But I am sickened that if there are photos and documents of abuse, its only brought up in a CUSTODY BATTLE. No one cares about these babies, they care about hurting their ex-spouse. If there is abuse, help the BABY and bring it up to authorities when it happens! WTH is this?? Putting pictures of your child injured on the internet??

It seems like both sides would rather cut the baby in half rather than give it to the other one. Where is King Solomon when you need him

Bold mine. The reason they're being brought up now, by CS in a custody battle to protect her remaining child, (not to hurt an ex-spouse!) has been explained time and again: she was not aware that abuse was occurring--she had experienced it herself, at RC's hand, but had not witnessed it against the children because he was not a caretaker of the children when they were together. He had not abused them, to her knowledge.

Others have alleged the abuse. When Haleigh disappeared, people came out of the woodwork with allegations. Yes--they should have come forward sooner. Perhaps some did notify CPS; we don't know. It is only in retrospect that people are putting two and two together.

And they might be on to something. I think it's terribly irresponsible to conclude that this is just about a venal, vengeful ex-wife. Discounting it is a huge mistake, IMO. It's as worthy of exploration as any avenue in this case---yes, there is a child missing. But there is one still in the household who deserves safety and protection, as well.

CS is so freely vilified on this site; it strikes me as so unusual for WS---we have been given no reason to favor RC over her, or to believe him to be more fit than her.

 

[texasmommy39]

Im sorry but my problem is that this is all coming from the lawyer and Im not willing to say just because she says it so its so. We dont have all the answers and until DCF or LE comes forward with something Im not gonna condemn a possibly innocent father. Yes sometimes DCF misses things and it ends in the death of a child which is extremely disheartening. I have never had a problem with them looking into it but I do have problem in the way this lawyer is doing it. If in fact its proven then yes he should be punished but if its found its false the way this has been done will impact the Cummings forever and thats what bothers me about the way this has been plastered all over the national news.

I would think they are rare but very unfortunate cases, that is why they are sometimes labeled as falling thru the cracks..on a whole the system works and continues to work for those that are truly abused by parents.

 

[DogMom2JoeAndWillie]

I can't figure out why the abuse is being brought up now. Why (now that she's missing) is protecting Haleigh from abuse such a priority? Why not say something before the baby went missing?! Seems like the first priority should be to FIND her (by working with the father) but the mother’s first priority seems to be proving that Ron is a bad father. There is a little girl missing and it seems stupid to move the focus from that by creating more drama. Making an abuse accusation right now is only going to distract the father (and whoever else is still looking for her) from their main focus. Who gives a rat’s big booty what happened in the past….HELP FIND YOUR DAUGHTER!! Energy, money, and resources used on anything other than looking for Haleigh is a pointless waste of precious time. As long as she is missing, she is in MUCH greater danger than she was when she was with her father (and it breaks my heart to type that...about to cry). When she was at home, at least they knew she was alive and that someone could step in and stop the abuse if it ever happened! Shame on anyone that would abuse a beautiful baby….I hope and pray that she wasn’t a victim of abuse…but more importantly, I’m hoping and praying that she will be brought home alive and well. What kind of parent has the time to get lawyered up and do lots of TV interviews when their baby is missing….don’t they realize that every second counts right now??!!
Sorry, everyone, if I sound mean….I’m just so antsy about wanting her found….

 

[WillenFan21]

I know people are concerned about the media jumping all over this but in all honesty you guys we all know by just looking at the Caylee Anthony case that if anything happens its going to be reported. You really cannot blame the media for this. They could just simply chose not to report the story if they don't think its true. It's obvious that they love it and chose to report it.

 

[WillenFan21]

I can't figure out why the abuse is being brought up now. Why (now that she's missing) is protecting Haleigh from abuse such a priority?

Because Haleigh is missing and if there was abuse going on in the home prior to that then there is a possibilty that is why she is gone? I mean as far as we know Ron could have come home from work at 3AM and did something to her then. We don't know but if abuse is going on in the home it could be connected to Haleigh's dissppearence. This is what I don't understand why Nancy Grace or anyone else can get.

Why not say something before the baby went missing?! Seems like the first priority should be to FIND her (by working with the father) but the mother&#8217;s first priority seems to be proving that Ron is a bad father.

What do you expect them to do? It was even said that on Nancy Grace that all the police are doing is searching through tips b.c they have absolutely nothing to go off of. I agree 110% they should be looking for Haleigh right now. Im not saying they shouldn't but the fact that she has gone missing and prior to that lived in a house where there are now abuse allegations then they very well should be looking more into it. You also have to remember that they have another living child living in that home. They don't want something to happen to him too. I agree 100% that they should be looking into this. What else are they supposed to do just sit back and ignore it?

 

[debs]

It is not condemnation to say "People are telling me they've witnessed abuse by Ron on our children and I want someone to look into it!!" These comments were delivered to Crystal and her attorney since the disappearance of Haleigh. They have not fabricated them, they have not gone out seeking these stories from Ron's "known enemies." People are bringing the stories to THEM. Crystal is doing what she must and reported these allegations. If they are false, they will be found out soon enough.

 

[WillenFan21]

It is not condemnation to say "People are telling me they've witnessed abuse by Ron on our children and I want someone to look into it!!" These comments were delivered to Crystal and her attorney since the disappearance of Haleigh. They have not fabricated them, they have not gone out seeking these stories from Ron's "known enemies." People are bringing the stories to THEM. Crystal is doing what she must and reported these allegations. If they are false, they will be found out soon enough.

Exaclty! That is the biggest point here. It was brought to Crystal and the attorney and they felt the need to bring action against it.

 

[titanfan62702]

I think the bottom line to the timing of the custody case is the recent marriage. I've seen x's react in some strange ways. I could write a novel about my grandsons' parents and which is going to do the most stupid thing next.

In this case, CS may not have had the same problem with RC and MC playing house -- heck just another in the line of teen players, but marriage, stepmom especially one running her mouth about how much the children love her, is a new ballgame. As far as the child abuse, it may or may not be truth, but in general when there's smoke there's a reason for it.

Another thing is CS has been criticized for living so far away; yet, since she's been in town, has she been able to see her son more. It sounded as if she was forced to stick to her normal visitation at the time when he needs mommy more than anyone else.

 

[radio]

It is not condemnation to say "People are telling me they've witnessed abuse by Ron on our children and I want someone to look into it!!" These comments were delivered to Crystal and her attorney since the disappearance of Haleigh. They have not fabricated them, they have not gone out seeking these stories from Ron's "known enemies." People are bringing the stories to THEM. Crystal is doing what she must and reported these allegations. If they are false, they will be found out soon enough.

Very true debs!! Ron is getting a much easier go with Crystal on this than he would me - maybe even you too!! I find no fault with how this is going. Naturally it's going to be all over the Media. And what else would we have to post about if it wasn't!!! LOL!!! just sayin...

 

[eleven]

I can't figure out why the abuse is being brought up now. Why (now that she's missing) is protecting Haleigh from abuse such a priority? Why not say something before the baby went missing?! Seems like the first priority should be to FIND her (by working with the father) but the mother’s first priority seems to be proving that Ron is a bad father. There is a little girl missing and it seems stupid to move the focus from that by creating more drama. Making an abuse accusation right now is only going to distract the father (and whoever else is still looking for her) from their main focus. Who gives a rat’s big booty what happened in the past….HELP FIND YOUR DAUGHTER!! Energy, money, and resources used on anything other than looking for Haleigh is a pointless waste of precious time. As long as she is missing, she is in MUCH greater danger than she was when she was with her father (and it breaks my heart to type that...about to cry). When she was at home, at least they knew she was alive and that someone could step in and stop the abuse if it ever happened! Shame on anyone that would abuse a beautiful baby….I hope and pray that she wasn’t a victim of abuse…but more importantly, I’m hoping and praying that she will be brought home alive and well. What kind of parent has the time to get lawyered up and do lots of TV interviews when their baby is missing….don’t they realize that every second counts right now??!!
Sorry, everyone, if I sound mean….I’m just so antsy about wanting her found….

WOW - you hit the nail on the head, DogMom. Everything you stated above is right.....so true! They key players in her life need to be dealing with HORRIFYING SITUATION AT HAND. Child abuse is certainly serious, but holy cow......right now, there IS no child because she is missing!

 

[Donjeta]

WOW - you hit the nail on the head, DogMom. Everything you stated above is right.....so true! They key players in her life need to be dealing with HORRIFYING SITUATION AT HAND. Child abuse is certainly serious, but holy cow......right now, there IS no child because she is missing!

Yes there is. Ronald Junior.

 

[Donjeta]

It seems to me that the media attention might have faded a lot faster, with no news of Haleigh and LE revealing few leads, if the relatives hadn't offered a sideshow. There are missing kids who we never hear this much about.

 

[radio]

It seems to me that the media attention might have faded a lot faster, with no news of Haleigh and LE revealing few leads, if the relatives hadn't offered a sideshow. There are missing kids who we never hear this much about.

Exactly Donjeta!!! If this hadn't popped up - this would not be on JVM or NG at this point. All is good!

 

[Lynni]

My kids are 7 and 9 and there are times I cringe because they are so bruised up. From playing, not abuse.

When my son was about 3 years old, we had dinner one night. When he was done eating, he went into the other room. I heard a thunk and he started crying. He came back into the dining room with his eye swollen shut. It turned into a major black eye. I have no idea what happened to him. He has a language disability so he couldn't explain what happened. I told the school as best as I could. This was only one minor injury on my kids. They get hurt all the time, as kids do.

I'll be interested to see how this all plays out. I find it interesting that CS is alleging abuse but tries to cover herself saying she didn't know about it sooner, but yes, he was abusive. And he didn't have anything to do with the kids when they were together. Can't have it both ways, honey.

It is unusual for a man to get custody. My brother-after 3 years of battling-finally got custody of his. His ex wife tried everything in her power to stop it, but her behavior, past and mouth blew it for her. CS seems very shady to me.

 

[Razzle]

WOW - you hit the nail on the head, DogMom. Everything you stated above is right.....so true! They key players in her life need to be dealing with HORRIFYING SITUATION AT HAND. Child abuse is certainly serious, but holy cow......right now, there IS no child because she is missing!

(bold mine)

What do you mean by that?

What about Ronald Jr? Does he not matter now because his Sister is missing???

 

[radio]

Also Friday, the Putnam County Sheriff's office told First Coast News that deputies were involved in looking into allegations of child abuse or neglect by Ronald Cummings three times in the last four years.

None of the incidents led to criminal charges.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=134317&catid=3