Alternate cord source

[Ivy]

It doesn't look anything like a slip knot to me. It looks like a double knot.

IMO

 

[Shylock]

It doesn't look anything like a slip knot to me. It looks like a double knot.

I think we are playing games with words here, because it looks like a double-knot that functions as a slip-knot.

A real slip-knot is tied on the end of a cord, then the free end of the cord is poked through the loop that was created to form a noose. That would have been impossible to do if the paint stick was tied on the cord FIRST. (It wouldn't have fit through the loop in the slip-knot.)

If that was the case, then a double-knot would have had to be tied loosely around the cord to allow it to function as a noose.

As far as the hair goes, there is still no way to tell if the hair is actually TIED INTO the knot, or if it was jerked into an already tied knot when the garrote was pulled tight. The knots would have to be untied to find that out for sure.

 

[sissi]

When the Canadian expert examined the knot, he mentioned that it could be an important clue if the same kind of knot was found in the possession of a suspect.
The "prophet",looked so good as a suspect, he had the website containing the portion "Barbie the Ultimate F....",he was considered on the web as a Japanese knot expert,he owned a stun gun, lived within blocks of the Ramseys,but was cleared,by what method I have no idea. I hope it wasn't the lie detector test he took,as sociopaths can pass,although I will admit I have no idea whether he is a sociopath.
Shapiro claims the "prophet" is the one who put the barbies in the local grill,I am not sure this is fact,as Shapiro has been off on a few items in the past.
Today,I thought,this would be easy,just a click away from determining if the knot was ,indeed,one used in Japanese bondage. But I am a "sissi",so when the hard core stuff started popping up I panicked and x'd . If there is anyone braver than I,perhaps we could get a few "not so pornish" pics located of these knots?
IMO

 

[BlueCrab]

Jeff Shapiro didn't provide the name of The Prophet in his article. Does anyone know his name?

JMO

EDITED: Never mind, I think The Prophet was Michael McElroy.

 

[Ivy]

Japanese bondage:
http://www.bcwsd.com/backroom/library/articles_us/bond_jap.htm

Bondage knot photos:
http://www.bcwsd.com/backroom/library/articles_us/bkurs03.htm

Both links are from this website:
http://www.bcwsd.com/backroom/library/articles_us/bkurs01.htm

IMO

 

[Ivy]

Here's Shapiro's article in which he discusses "The Prophet."

http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/122001/coverstory.html

(If someone already posted the link...sorry.)

BC, please clue us in on why you think The Prophet was Michael McElroy, okay?

Edit: Never mind...I think I know why.

IMO

 

[Ivy]

http://www.geocities.com/lovelypigeon/Barbie.html

Before the murder, a nude- Barbie doll mobile created by Boulder resident Michael McElroy hung in the local eatery, Dot's Diner.

After JonBenet's murder, McElroy was interviewed by police.

At LovelyPigeon's website whose URL is posted above, there are photos of bondage Barbies that were thrown into the Rs' yard, plus screen captures from the PMPT movie of Barbies that hung in Dot's Diner.

(Thanks, LovelyPigeon.)

EDITED to correct inaccuracies (did I spell that right?)

IMO

 

[sissi]

I'm not certain the "barbie's in bondage" depicted on LP's site were his,I could be wrong,I remember them being photographed in a much more "close up" manner,including the one with her decapitated head on a plate. I realize Marc Quinn was given credit for this sculpture,however I don't not know if Mike's predated it. His site was dated July 1996,maybe I can find this out with a bit more searching.
IMO

"After JonBenet's murder, McElroy was interviewed by police''

This is true,more than a YEAR after! However ,even he was amazed no one checked his computer!

This can't be him..could it be!!!..using hence..dog..? how do you feel when your child is murdered and raped???? He wouldn't make himself visible again..would he??

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cach.../pdf/PART_ONE.pdf+mike+mcelroy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

...This can't be him..could it be!!!..using hence..dog..? how do you feel when your child is murdered and raped???? He wouldn't make himself visible again..would he??...

Why? So he could be turned into the perfect 'perp?'

I posted the following thoughts on another forum in response to someone pointing out that Janet McReynold's play "Hey, Rube," was closely related to the JBR murder.

I think the post fits here, and anywhere people are looking for meaning where there is none:




...Now, I have been reading a novel...something I like to do during my 'free time,' lol.

I picked up this book with the plan in mind to look for 'clues' that would lead the conspiracy theorists to think that the author of my novel was somehow involved in the JonBenet murder. No, the book has nothing whatsoever to do with the JBR case, but I had to do this anyway...

I know, my mind works in funny ways sometimes, lol, but I had a specific outcome that I was trying to validate (or not). Maybe you will understand my point as you read my discoveries.

So, here I am reading my novel, casually looking for 'clues,' and here is what jumped out at me:

1. The reader is introduced to a pretty little blond girl who we first meet immediately after she had been locked in a "small windowless chamber for nearly nine hours" by her parents who were "not really her parents any more."

2. This little girl's last name is "Foster," the name given by the Artemis group to the Jonbenet character in the book, "Quiet Samantha Foster."

3. The author discusses a family that has been brutally murdered in their own home in the middle of the night. The family name is Mayser. By changing around the letters, you can easily come up with "Ramsey" instead of "Mayser." There were two parents, named John and Melinda Mayser and their two children: a boy and a girl.

4. The author talks about a character who had to run "hither and yon" --- that ridiculous and antiquated phrase I had never seen used prior to (or since) Patsy Ramsey's 1996 Christmas newsletter, as most people in this century (or last) simply settle for the much more normal phrase, "Here and there." Of course, I have used Patsy's phrase in jest on this board to make a point, but that doesn't count, lol.

5. In the same paragraph, the author refers to "High-Tech." His reference is to the concept and not the shoe, but it is a coincidence all the same...

6. The evil-doer in the story is a man who was born into wealth and ignored by his high-society parents until he killed them as a boy, framed one of the hired-hands for their murder, and grew up to be the head of a 'high-tech' computer company.

7. The author of this book resides about 10 miles from the White family in California (the next town over from my home-town, actually)

Now, what would you say if I told you that this book was originally published in 1989, way before JBR's murder????

Well, I highly doubt this author had anything to do with the murder. You see, his name is Dean Koontz and I am quite sure he has a solid alibi.

The point is that, anything, taken out of context, can be related to this case...Or, if you want to extend that thought, just about anything can be used to prove that 'Paul is Dead,' or that 'Elvis is Alive,' for that matter.

That is what I set out to prove in this little game I challenged myself to while reading this novel...

 

[sissi]

And your point is.....our suspect,educated at Boulder University,taught by Santa,never mentioned Dean Koontz as one of his favorite authors. How would you feel if instead of walking away with the feeling there is nothing but coincidence,that someone (who has a hardcopy of an old website)proved to you that this was ,indeed,the case? I believe it is!We are talking about a group of people who are deeply intellectual and well read,and listed among the 140 or so early suspects.

 

[Ivy]

Excellent, WMG! :clap: Still, to be safe, Koontz should probably head for some cave in the hills in case the Ramsey bus comes after him...and I'm only half kidding.

IMO

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

By the way, last night I noticed another common object that has a cord very close to the cord used in this murder. In fact, it comes with two finished ends!

My daughter has a collection of jump ropes. Well, she asked me to shorten the length of one of them last night. When I pulled the end out of the little handle-bar gizmo at either end of the toy, there it was!

The jump rope in question comes from Wal-Mart, I believe. The white cord is strung with elongated, colorful beads which are each about two inches long.

Typically, jump ropes are about 6 or 7 feet long. This particular rope was knotted at both ends, inside of the handle.

Both ends are finished and melted!

It would not be difficult, at all, to hide the extra one-foot of cord and the collection of plastic beads. After all, the beads look a lot like the larger ones my daughter uses when she makes jewelry. They could easily get lost among the other beads!

Heck, with JBR being 47 inches tall, and my kid being 49 inches tall, I could probably estimate how much of the rope would have to be taken off for JBR to jump comfortably. Maybe that extra foot or so had been removed long before the murder in order to shorten the toy for JBR ,and hence, it was innocently disposed of long before the murder!

I am not sure what a 'perp' could do with the handles...But, they would look, to the untrained eye of a daughter-less investigator, a lot like an extra set of grips for a bike or scooter.

There are, no doubt, many other distributors of jump ropes like this one. Want to bet that JBR had a few???

Wow!! I just remembered something else, regarding the jump ropes...

My daughter also has another jump rope among her collection that is clamped at one end, under the hand grip, with a plastic tie thingy. I remember when I shortened that one for her, I wanted to keep the altered end clamped like the other end. I didn't have a plastic pull-tie, so I searched through my 'junk' drawer for a suitable replacement.

I stumbled upon some wire on a spool that I use to make bows, etc. I briefly thought, "This would work, if I wrapped it around the end of the rope..." But, I chose to use a bit of elastic I found in the drawer instead. My reasoning, I am guessing, was that "if it could be sharp and pointy, keep clumsy little wolfchild away from it at all costs!"

Now, I am certain there were tiny little clips of wire found at the crime scene, near the body...Correct me if I am wrong here.

Well, maybe the 'perp' clipped off the wire that was holding a similar jump rope that belonged to JBR in order to use the rest of the rope for the staging!

Reaching??? Maybe.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

Excellent, WMG! :clap: Still, to be safe, Koontz should probably head for some cave in the hills in case the Ramsey bus comes after him...and I'm only half kidding.

IMO

LOL Ivy!!!

And, while we are at it, we might as well sick 'em on Stephen King. After all, King has roots in Boulder and he makes his living killing children and adults every which way!

 

[Shylock]

And, while we are at it, we might as well sick 'em on Stephen King. After all, King has roots in Boulder and he makes his living killing children and adults every which way!

This case doesn't need Stephen King, its got Lou Smit.

Besides, if Stephen King was involved, it would be a giant bug that killed JonBenet, not an intruder. (And then we would have to put up with the swampettes writing about insect mandibles matching marks on her body...arrrgh!)

 

[TLynn]

:laugh: This case doesn't need Stephen King, its got Lou Smit.

 

[Toth]

I don't know why you would compare an author of fiction to Lou Smit who has such a reputation for factual material. He may use "seen" a bit too often but he sure seems to see the evidence very well and has for many cases over many years. He was hired from a field of 28 candidates and no one ever thought he was a slouch when it came to following the evidence.

 

[Barbara]

I don't know why you would compare an author of fiction to Lou Smit who has such a reputation for factual material. He may use "seen" a bit too often but he sure seems to see the evidence very well and has for many cases over many years. He was hired from a field of 28 candidates and no one ever thought he was a slouch when it came to following the evidence.

Perhaps it is because he has fictionalized the accounts of that night. He has fictionalized a stun gun, which he later started to backpedal about and let's not forget his fictionalized account of the window well and going through it without leaving a trace, when it was pretty clear that if someone went through that window, they would not be able to do so without rubbing against something and disturbing lots of stuff in the process.

Or how about his account of "pedophile's dream?". A pedophile would not have used a paintbrush. A real pedophile would have done a lot more.

That's just for starters

Ivy,

Thanks for the info about Stephen King. I didn't know he lived in Boulder. How appropriate!

 

[Toth]

Did ADA Trip DeMuth collaborate in this 'fictionalization'? How about that pathologist? Is he collaborating in fiction too?

I agree that he may well be wrong on the pedophile's dream comments.

As to the stun gun, there is no backpedalling. He merely states the model that so far comes closest in the experiments.

As for going through the window, I'm sure you saw Lou Smit don overalls to do so, did you see any dirt on those overalls afterwards? Not just males have gone through that window and females are more likely to be concerned about and to notice dirt on their clothing.

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

I have read many of Koontz's novels. Which one is the one you are referring to?

As far as Stephen King, I have read ALL his stuff. His roots are in Bangor, Maine, not Boulder.

I hope this is posted BEFORE the Ramseys throw him under the bus LOL

BTW, excellent WMG

Thanks Barbara

You are correct...King is from Maine. I haven't read much King since college. The last one I read was when wolfkid was tiny ("Bag of Bones," I think).

I remember when I first heard of the Ramsey case, I recalled something about King residing in Boulder. I thought he lived there a bit longer because he referenced the town in a couple of his novels (I think, scratching fuzzy 'mommy-brained' head, lol... )

The Koontz book I am talking about is "Midnight," originally released in hard-cover in 1989; recently re-released in paper-back. It is a great read, for his earlier stuff...

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

...As to the stun gun, there is no backpedalling. He merely states the model that so far comes closest in the experiments...

I can come even closer:

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

I wish people like Smit would concede that there is a possibility that a stun gun was not used in this crime.

Toth, you seem less convinced than you were previously. I might be imagining things here, but is it possible that you are moving to the fence???