Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL*#11

[SMK]

I'd love to see that explanation.

I am recalling how Guede talked about MK complaining and shouting that Amanda had stolen her money-- It may have been a prank; Amanda may have planned to give the money back and was caught off guard by Meredith's anger (she did have her period; maybe she was feeling poorly and not receptive to a prank)....and I read in Burleigh's book how Amanda kept pranking her father-- all of this is actually profoundly sad.

 

[SMK]

Thanks for your wonderful notation, SMK.

:loveyou:

 

[Katody]

I am recalling how Guede talked about MK complaining and shouting that Amanda had stolen her money-- It may have been a prank; Amanda may have planned to give the money back and was caught off guard by Meredith's anger (she did have her period; maybe she was feeling poorly and not receptive to a prank)....and I read in Burleigh's book how Amanda kept pranking her father-- all of this is actually profoundly sad.

How does it escalate into Guede raping and stabbing Meredith? And what on earth is he doing in this prank story?

 

[aa9511]

Wow
Excuse me for making this notation here, but it is extremely surprising to me, because I have been remarking on Amanda's masculine aura, and had thought of her as having a father-complex, and then this thing with the prank about staging a robbery, and now I find this passage.

Just have to note it, as it astonished me in its confirmations of some of my strongest intuitions about her: Uncanny to me.....

From Nina Burleigh, The Fatal Gift of Beauty, p 33:

Interesting. I don't find it very far-fetched at all that the whole thing may have started as just as "taunt," a kind of prank, if you will on Meredith. I believe I laid out one possibility in a scenario a few weeks back - where perhaps Meredith came in to tell them to quiet down a bit, or perhaps Meredith was just going to the kitchen - and Amanda, RS, and Rudy asked her to join them. To which she would have said, no, I have to study. Then they might have started something like, "oh come on, you're such a goody-girl, come on, you can study later, come on....have fun with us." Meredith could have become increasingly agitated at this. Amanda could have enjoyed this, this reaction from Meredith. This annoyed reaction. Kind of like a prank, the point is to annoy people and get a reaction out of them. Slowly, this scenario could have fleshed out more and more, until eventually it peaked in the bedroom. I don't it sounds ridiculous to some people, and that's fine - it does not sound so far-fetched to me.

The passage which you quoted - about playing pranks on her Dad - and playing pranks in general, would also fit in with the "playing victim, shifting responsibility" motif which I was discussing earlier. Because people who like to play pranks and like to generally get reactions out of people, they generally have to "explain" themselves a lot and provide an explanation for why they did what they did. In other words, people get annoyed and request an explanation from them. So they are constantly having to "get out of things" which they started. In order to not get into trouble, or to seem innocent, or to get back into the good graces of the people they did it to. Acting would play into this - I'm soooooo sorry, fake-cry, fake-cry (perhaps real cry for getting into trouble). I really didn't mean to, omigosh, I feel soooo bad now, cry, cry.

In can be not only for pranks and such things, but for generally disappointing someone. Then you over-compensate for the disappointment, by playing the victim and trying to make them feel sorry for you, to forgive you, to turn the whole situation around.

Everything above, JMO.

 

[SMK]

How does it escalate into Guede raping and stabbing Meredith? And what on earth is he doing in this prank story?

well, as in my theory, he is the one who takes it too far..... he may have been "the robber" who came along for the drugs - You have to be willing to use your imagination, dear. :snooty:

 

[aa9511]

It's possible that some of the people involved in the prank had questioned it so it needed to be addressed. JMO

Oh yes, better be on their good sides in order to shut them up....makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[aa9511]

We – all of the mutual friends of my housemates who participated in the prank with me – apologized for the distress caused.

Never does she suggest she invented the prank or took full responsibility for it. I think your rewording subtly shifts the meaning.

bbm

Exactly, Katody. Please re-read what you wrote:

'Never does she suggest she invented the prank or took full responsibility for it.'

It seems she never takes full responsibility for her actions.

JMO.

 

[Katody]

well, as in my theory, he is the one who takes it too far..... he may have been "the robber" who came along for the drugs - You have to be willing to use your imagination, dear. :snooty:

I'm trying to fit this into the evidence. At 9:26 pm Amanda and Raffaele are at his place watching a video. Meredith came home around 9 pm. So when did Amanda hide her money as a prank?

Or is Guede a "prank robber" now? That's a different scenario. Murdering and raping a girl in front of two people he barely knows? That makes sense?

 

[Katody]

bbm

Exactly, Katody. Please re-read what you wrote:

'Never does she suggest she invented the prank or took full responsibility for it.'

It seems she never takes full responsibility for her actions.

JMO.

It seems to me you will twist and interpret against her everything she or anyone says. That's what is left when the actual case the Perugians concocted is garbage. JMO.

 

[SMK]

Interesting. I don't find it very far-fetched at all that the whole thing may have started as just as "taunt," a kind of prank, if you will on Meredith. I believe I laid out one possibility in a scenario a few weeks back - where perhaps Meredith came in to tell them to quiet down a bit, or perhaps Meredith was just going to the kitchen - and Amanda, RS, and Rudy asked her to join them. To which she would have said, no, I have to study. Then they might have started something like, "oh come on, you're such a goody-girl, come on, you can study later, come on....have fun with us." Meredith could have become increasingly agitated at this. Amanda could have enjoyed this, this reaction from Meredith. This annoyed reaction. Kind of like a prank, the point is to annoy people and get a reaction out of them. Slowly, this scenario could have fleshed out more and more, until eventually it peaked in the bedroom. I don't it sounds ridiculous to some people, and that's fine - it does not sound so far-fetched to me.

The passage which you quoted - about playing pranks on her Dad - and playing pranks in general, would also fit in with the "playing victim, shifting responsibility" motif which I was discussing earlier. Because people who like to play pranks and like to generally get reactions out of people, they generally have to "explain" themselves a lot and provide an explanation for why they did what they did. In other words, people get annoyed and request an explanation from them. So they are constantly having to "get out of things" which they started. In order to not get into trouble, or to seem innocent, or to get back into the good graces of the people they did it to. Acting would play into this - I'm soooooo sorry, fake-cry, fake-cry (perhaps real cry for getting into trouble). I really didn't mean to, omigosh, I feel soooo bad now, cry, cry.

In can be not only for pranks and such things, but for generally disappointing someone. Then you over-compensate for the disappointment, by playing the victim and trying to make them feel sorry for you, to forgive you, to turn the whole situation around.

Everything above, JMO.

Yes - that is all quite true.

And you also have to recall what Guede said, about Meredith getting into a quite angry state because she couldn't find the rent money - if Amanda intended it as a joke, and then Meredith reacted in a way which Amanda had not anticipated, and you throw some drugs and drinking in, it could have been a fatal mix.

It certainly makes more psychological sense than Crini's unflushed toilet fight :notgood:

 

[aa9511]

Interesting that she involved other people in this prank on her housemates. It sounds like it went farther than she had anticipated.

This "prank" issue would also fit into Filomena's immediate sense that something was wrong when Amanda called her - where she called, I think it was her boyfriend who she told this to, but not sure - and said something like "go and see what that Amanda did now.' I'm sorry people, I cannot remember where I have read this now. Perhaps someone else remembers - SMK? She immediately sensed that whatever issue was going on in the cottage, it was due to Amanda.

 

[Myvice]

Interesting. I don't find it very far-fetched at all that the whole thing may have started as just as "taunt," a kind of prank, if you will on Meredith. I believe I laid out one possibility in a scenario a few weeks back - where perhaps Meredith came in to tell them to quiet down a bit, or perhaps Meredith was just going to the kitchen - and Amanda, RS, and Rudy asked her to join them. To which she would have said, no, I have to study. Then they might have started something like, "oh come on, you're such a goody-girl, come on, you can study later, come on....have fun with us." Meredith could have become increasingly agitated at this. Amanda could have enjoyed this, this reaction from Meredith. This annoyed reaction. Kind of like a prank, the point is to annoy people and get a reaction out of them. Slowly, this scenario could have fleshed out more and more, until eventually it peaked in the bedroom. I don't it sounds ridiculous to some people, and that's fine - it does not sound so far-fetched to me.

The passage which you quoted - about playing pranks on her Dad - and playing pranks in general, would also fit in with the "playing victim, shifting responsibility" motif which I was discussing earlier. Because people who like to play pranks and like to generally get reactions out of people, they generally have to "explain" themselves a lot and provide an explanation for why they did what they did. In other words, people get annoyed and request an explanation from them. So they are constantly having to "get out of things" which they started. In order to not get into trouble, or to seem innocent, or to get back into the good graces of the people they did it to. Acting would play into this - I'm soooooo sorry, fake-cry, fake-cry (perhaps real cry for getting into trouble). I really didn't mean to, omigosh, I feel soooo bad now, cry, cry.

In can be not only for pranks and such things, but for generally disappointing someone. Then you over-compensate for the disappointment, by playing the victim and trying to make them feel sorry for you, to forgive you, to turn the whole situation around.

Everything above, JMO.

I read in her journal that that is exactly what she did when she walked away from the job in Germany. She didn't understand why it was such a big deal but she cried and all was forgiven.

 

[aa9511]

The anonymous post that started the rumor still lives on the internet. So yes, I know what I'm talking about.:seeya:

What? But it's not a rumor anymore - Amanda herself specifically confirmed it. Color me confused.

 

[aa9511]

I believe so. I remember how the story evolved among the more feverish... pro guilt commenters.

Well, obviously we see now, thanks to SMK's sleuthing, that it's true.

 

[SMK]

I'm trying to fit this into the evidence. At 9:26 pm Amanda and Raffaele are at his place watching a video. Meredith came home around 9 pm. So when did Amanda hide her money as a prank?

Or is Guede a "prank robber" now? That's a different scenario. Murdering and raping a girl in front of two people he barely knows? That makes sense?

No, of course it doesn't make sense. It would be tragic; truly a human tragedy - a terrible prank-gone-awry, which brought out the worst in the participants, and brought to a head and unleashed things which had never been intended. Think of Hamlet and Horatio, putting on the play for Claudius. And then Hamlet stabs Polonius and almost rapes his mother.

 

[Katody]

This "prank" issue would also fit into Filomena's immediate sense that something was wrong when Amanda called her - where she called, I think it was her boyfriend who she told this to, but not sure - and said something like "go and see what that Amanda did now.' I'm sorry people, I cannot remember where I have read this now. Perhaps someone else remembers - SMK? She immediately sensed that whatever issue was going on in the cottage, it was due to Amanda.

Not true. See Filomena's testimony.

 

[Katody]

No, of course it doesn't make sense. It would be tragic; truly a human tragedy - a terrible prank-gone-awry, which brought out the worst in the participants, and brought to a head and unleashed things which had never been intended. Think of Hamlet and Horatio, putting on the play for Claudius. And then Hamlet stabs Polonius and almost rapes his mother.

I want to understand. So they shut down the video they watched and decide "time to prank a robbery prank on poor Meredith". Where is Guede in all this? Do they meet him on the way by accident? OK, let's say the guy barely knows the two girls but agrees to join in. Now what? They enter and Guede suddenly rapes Meredith?

I'm not asking for much. I just want to see something plausible psychologically. Maybe I'm asking for too much.

 

[aa9511]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ox-i-ll-be-a-fugitive-if-they-convict-me.html

Yes, exactly my point of: if she wants to stop or slow down rumors, then why does she keep talking and getting people interested?

 

[Katody]

What? But it's not a rumor anymore - Amanda herself specifically confirmed it. Color me confused.

The rumor I'm talking about is the ski mask group rape "prank". You do see that is not what Amanda "confirmed"?

 

[SMK]

This "prank" issue would also fit into Filomena's immediate sense that something was wrong when Amanda called her - where she called, I think it was her boyfriend who she told this to, but not sure - and said something like "go and see what that Amanda did now.' I'm sorry people, I cannot remember where I have read this now. Perhaps someone else remembers - SMK? She immediately sensed that whatever issue was going on in the cottage, it was due to Amanda.

I do recall , but cannot remember the source