Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[Footwarrior]

The things that "proves" her guilt for me is the completely different stories she told! If she had maintained that she was in RS house with him, watching movies and having sex, I would have believed that!! How could she be "confused" as to whether she was in her house or not? If she had gone with her original story, I would have believed that Rudy came in to that house, whether his intention was to rape Meredith or just rob the house.

But then after Rafael changes his story to include her in her house, then all of a sudden she becomes "confused" and has these different "dreams" with a Black man and Meredith screaming, and being in the kitchen, and other details which why would she say that if really had nothing to do with anything and was just at RS house and had no knowledge of the murder?

So for example Footwarrior (sorry if I got your "name" wrong, I can't close this window to check it or I will lose this), when you are talking about that they were watching movies at the "time of death" and I guess you believe Rudy was alone in this, then why would Amanda change her story? That makes no sense.

Amanda gave a different story during an abusive police interview and wrote a rather confused note shortly afterwards. At other times, her story was consistent with Raffaele's. She was scheduled to work that night, but her boss sent a text message saying that business was light and she didn't have to come in. She then spent the night with Raffaele.

To understand what happened to Amanda, I suggest watching the Frontline documentary on the Norfolk 4. The same basic techniques that extracted a statement from Amanda that put her at the scene of Meredith's murder were used on Navy sailors. Four of them falsely confessed to a murder and falsely implicated at least one other person in the crime.

 

[redheadedgal]

A real DNA expert... In other words, there is no problem with the DNA on the bra clasp and it is very strong evidence against Sollecito.

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[Footwarrior]

If the last actual program was accessed at 9:26 pm, it would still leave plenty of time to be at the scene of the crime at 11 or 11:30.

The problem with that scenario is that we know the cottage was dark and quiet from about 10:30 to perhaps 11:15. We have two witnesses in a broken down car directly across the street from the cottage. Two of their friends in a second car who parked in the cottage driveway while waiting for the tow truck. Plus the tow truck driver who hitched up the car and towed it away.

If Meredith had gone to bed, that might make sense. But she was still wearing the clothes she had on earlier that evening, including her jacket. She hadn't tried to call her mother again. She had started a load of laundry before going to Robin's house, but never got around to taking them out to dry. She hadn't started to read the history book she borrowed and was going to return the next morning. And does it make any sense that Meredith would be playing with the buttons on her phone at 10 pm? It also doesn't explain the message received via a different tower at 10:13.

The cottage was dark because poor Meredith was already dead and Rudy had already left.

 

[redheadedgal]

Sollecito had prior contact with police because of illegal drug use. Sollecito had been under supervision for his abnormal interest in violent sex and bestiality. They were all admittedly drugged-up "out of their minds" on the night that Meredith was murdered. There is evidence that they were all present and involved in the murder, scene staging and clean up.

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[SweetT]

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So did Rudy take all the towels out of the bathroom and do some cleaning/cover up?

 

[aa9511]

The problem with that scenario is that we know the cottage was dark and quiet from about 10:30 to perhaps 11:15. We have two witnesses in a broken down car directly across the street from the cottage. Two of their friends in a second car who parked in the cottage driveway while waiting for the tow truck. Plus the tow truck driver who hitched up the car and towed it away.

If Meredith had gone to bed, that might make sense. But she was still wearing the clothes she had on earlier that evening, including her jacket. She hadn't tried to call her mother again. She had started a load of laundry before going to Robin's house, but never got around to taking them out to dry. She hadn't started to read the history book she borrowed and was going to return the next morning. And does it make any sense that Meredith would be playing with the buttons on her phone at 10 pm? It also doesn't explain the message received via a different tower at 10:13.

The cottage was dark because poor Meredith was already dead and Rudy had already left.

Hmmm. I don't know! I really honestly don't know, I am trying to wrap my head around everything. I do not know the facts of this case like the rest of you do.

Could it possibly be that Raffaelo and Amanda had instructed for Rudy to kill Meredith, payment would be in the drawer (rent money), and they were watching the cottage from the pizzaria or wherever they were, watching to see what was going on and to look for when Rudy would come out of the house and whether everything would go down like they planned? Then they went to Raffaelo's house. They turned their cell phones off so that Rudy wouldn't try to call them on their phones in case something went wrong. Either they disposed of the cell phones or they had Rudy do it. That would match the computer timings to their (lack of) activity, also match when Rudy himself said he got to the house, match when Meredith got back to the house, and match the tow truck people who noticed no activity in the house.

Another thing is, if Rudy was acting alone, then the timing for his "burlary" is very strange. Why would he do it then when there was much risk of a witness seeing him? Also and more importantly, how did he know that NO ONE else would be home?? How did he know her roomates weren't there and how did he know none of the downstairs boys were home?? Someone must have provided that information to him.

 

[SweetT]

So was Rudys fingerprints on the recovered cell phones/phones of Meredith? Did they ever recover all the towels?

 

[aa9511]

Amanda and Raffaelo are, IMO, definately involved in it somehow. I think they planned it, got Rudy to do it for them. Rudy did it and got out. Amanda and Raffaelo then went back in the early morning and did their clean-up/cover-up. Rudy was I guess too dumb to think of the consequences, that blood would be everywhere and his DNA would be everywhere!

How could they NOT be involved? Someone obviously went back and did a cover-up/clean-up and did not leave any obvious traces of themselves. Meanwhile why would Rudy have gone back and done a cover-up for himself when his DNA was everywhere after his supposed "clean-up'?? And like I said before, how did he know that no one else was home and none of the downstairs boys were home when he decided to go to the house to do his murder?

Planning/conspiring/clean-up/cover-up would account for all of the different stories Raf and Amanda told b/c they were involved at a very deep level. They could not point to Rudy b/c Rudy would then point the finger back at them and let the police know they planned everything.

 

[aa9511]

So was Rudys fingerprints on the recovered cell phones/phones of Meredith? Did they ever recover all the towels?

Who knows, I doubt they even did a fingerprint check on them! The collection/testing of the evidence seems to be abysmal.

 

[otto]

The clothes on Filomena's floor didn't come from her wardrobe or dresser. Filomena stacked them on the floor because the room didn't have enough closet space. In the crime scene photos, you can see that her wardrobe is still full.

It sure looks like things were pulled off the shelves and tossed on the floor. We also have sworn testimony from Filomina, who occupied that room, that her clothes were on the shelf. Her occupation was legal assistant, so it would be rather surprising that she would be dishonest regarding the location of her clothes during a murder investigation.

 

[aa9511]

I hope she has deep pyschological problems and terrible nightmares for the rest of her life even if she doesn't ever get convicted. Same goes for her strange friend Raffaelo.

 

[otto]

But do you think that would have been enough money for Rudy to do something so terrible for someone else? I would think he would have asked for a few thousand dollars, at least. And if it was me, I would have demanded to get paid before I fled the country, if there was some money deal they made. I don't know, some things make sense but some don't. :scared:

I have never considered the possibility that the murder was premeditated and I don't think that was part of the prosecution case.

 

[redheadedgal]

Here is the link for the Twitter page of reporter Andrea Vogt :

:twocents: She is one of the few UNbiased reporters covering this case, IMO ...

an example of her inaccurate reporting:

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[aa9511]

It sure looks like things were pulled off the shelves and tossed on the floor. We also have sworn testimony from Filomina, who occupied that room, that her clothes were on the shelf. Her occupation was legal assistant, so it would be rather surprising that she would be dishonest regarding the location of her clothes during a murder investigation.

Yes that definately looks like someone opened the doors and dumped the clothes out onto the floor.

 

[SweetT]

I have never considered the possibility that the murder was premeditated and I don't think that was part of the prosecution case.

Would someone bring big knives for an un premeditated murder?

 

[Harmony 2]

If convicted, will Knox lose the $4 million advance she was paid to write her memoir, Waiting to Be Heard?
The “Son of Sam” laws famously first appeared in New York state to prevent David Berkowitz, the New York City serial killer who called himself the “son of Sam,” from profiting from his crime by selling his story. The Supreme Court has since limited the scope of such laws, but many states, including Knox’s home state of Washington, facilitate the transfer of funds from a convicted criminal to a victim who has filed suit.

http://world.time.com/2013/09/30/amanda-knox-explainer-trial-begins-in-italy-for-the-third-time/

In 2010, the appellate court threw out DNA trace evidence 36-B, concluding the police laboratory testing and results were unreliable. So Meredith Kercher's DNA could no longer be claimed to be on the knife blade.


But now, the Italian Supreme Court thinks trace 36-I should be front and center in the new trial that started today. And that could make things very interesting.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-on-a-butcher-knife-decide-new-trial-outcome/

Amanda Knox’s DNA was nowhere to be found in the bedroom in which Meredith Kercher was found stabbed to death, an Italian court heard on Monday.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/amanda-...h-kercher-died-court-told-20131001-2uppt.html

 

[aa9511]

I have never considered the possibility that the murder was premeditated and I don't think that was part of the prosecution case.

That is just the impression I got from reading some things from a link posted farther back in the thread:

This is the link: http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?/tjmk/C360/

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So that is kind of where I got that from.

 

[Footwarrior]

Another thing is, if Rudy was acting alone, then the timing for his "burlary" is very strange. Why would he do it then when there was much risk of a witness seeing him? Also and more importantly, how did he know that NO ONE else would be home?? How did he know her roomates weren't there and how did he know none of the downstairs boys were home?? Someone must have provided that information to him.

Rudy knew the boys that lived downstairs, and probably knew they were going to be gone for the long weekend. Watching the place for a while would give him a good idea if the girls were also gone. In the trade, it's known as casing the joint. Tossing a big rock through a window will confirm the place is empty. If the lights go on, someone is home and it's time to slip away in the shadows.

 

[otto]

Would someone bring big knives for an un premeditated murder?

Sollecito had a knife collection - he liked knives. He was even carrying a knife when he was arrested.

Scroll down on this page for a "fancy dress" costume:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-prison-diary-DNA-knife-pricked-cooking.html

 

[sherlockh]

Amanda and Raffaelo are, IMO, definately involved in it somehow. I think they planned it, got Rudy to do it for them. Rudy did it and got out. Amanda and Raffaelo then went back in the early morning and did their clean-up/cover-up. Rudy was I guess too dumb to think of the consequences, that blood would be everywhere and his DNA would be everywhere!

How could they NOT be involved? Someone obviously went back and did a cover-up/clean-up and did not leave any obvious traces of themselves. Meanwhile why would Rudy have gone back and done a cover-up for himself when his DNA was everywhere after his supposed "clean-up'?? And like I said before, how did he know that no one else was home and none of the downstairs boys were home when he decided to go to the house to do his murder?

Planning/conspiring/clean-up/cover-up would account for all of the different stories Raf and Amanda told b/c they were involved at a very deep level. They could not point to Rudy b/c Rudy would then point the finger back at them and let the police know they planned everything.

Guede's DNA wasn't found 'everywhere'. Only a few traces were found. Only 2 traces on Meredith's clothes where there was one for Sollecito. I think that could indicate he was not the one holding a knife, but the one restraining Meredith. On the other hand DNA simply isn't left that easily. For example, there are plenty of bruises showing she was strangled but zero DNA traces in that area.

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