Amanda Knox tried for the murder of Meredith Kercher in Italy *NEW TRIAL* #2

[aa9511]

But, if the footprints were made from blood, then cleaned up, the blood would be smeared out and not in the form of footprints. The luminol would in that case produce a broad swath across the floor.

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It could be that they stepped on the blood, then took step after step, each step removing some of the blood onto the floor. So by the time they got to the place where the Luminol footprints were found, the blood was so faint that Amanda and Raf did not see them in their subsequent cleaning up of their footprints. But the blood was still there in the footprint, just very very light.

 

[aa9511]

Based on a tweet of hers this morning, Andrea is attending and presenting at a journalism conference today.

She said for tweets from the courtroom today to go here:


https://twitter.com/qn_lanazione

(unfortunately it is in Italian)

LOL....all I understood from the Italian tweets was "ripite."

 

[aa9511]

:seeya: Thanks for the update !

Aviello's "story" that his brother did it is just as "outrageous" as he is ... and from what I read recently, Aviello's brother is no longer alive. How convenient !

:twocents: I do believe Aviello was "bribed" by the Sollecito defense forces, and was hoping that he would at least tell something of the "truth" today ...

Obviously, those "bribes" kept coming because he was back to story #1, which is BS ...

:moo:

I have been wondering if there is any deal going on behind-the-scenes b/w Raf's father and Rudy G. Such as.....you keep your mouth shut and do not admit any involvement of my son.....and when you get released I'll make sure you get XX amount of money. You can go away and start a new life.

 

[otto]

Although the trial summary report describes both prosecution and defense arguments, the report is not ambiguous in its conclusions.







http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

 

[sherlockh]

Few trial dates have been cancelled. Only 3 left. 6 November presentation of the knife testing report. 25 and 26 November for closing arguments and verdict I suppose.

 

[rose222]

It's not a witch hunt when you are just listening to someone and THEY SAY SOMETHING which is very strange and uncaring.

JA's Defense team said she is an innocent victim of a witch hunt. Knox's followers say the same thing. The fact of the matter is that there is a lot of evidence against Knox. Italians aren't out to get an American. One of their 'own' was convicted of murder as well.

 

[aa9511]

Although the trial summary report describes both prosecution and defense arguments, the report is not ambiguous in its conclusions.







http://www.westseattleherald.com/si...ttachments/MasseiReportEnglishTranslation.pdf

I don't see how RS DNA could have been "accidentally" put there on the bra clasp. Wouldn't it make more sense that if the sample was contaminated, that it would be contaminated with Amanda's DNA since Amanda's DNA would be more prevalent throughout the apartment b/c that is where she lived? How come the innocence-believers are not questioning why it wasn't AMANDA's DNA which was accidentally transferred to the bra clasp? That makes much more sense than it being RS when he did not live in the apartment and how would his DNA magically arrive at that very precise point.

However, I am still concerned with why there are not MORE traces of RS and Amanda in Meredith's bedroom if they were both involved in the killing at the time it was taking place. How come there are not bloody footprints/handprints of them in there?

 

[otto]

I don't see how RS DNA could have been "accidentally" put there on the bra clasp. Wouldn't it make more sense that if the sample was contaminated, that it would be contaminated with Amanda's DNA since Amanda's DNA would be more prevalent throughout the apartment b/c that is where she lived? How come the innocence-believers are not questioning why it wasn't AMANDA's DNA which was accidentally transferred to the bra clasp? That makes much more sense than it being RS when he did not live in the apartment and how would his DNA magically arrive at that very precise point.

However, I am still concerned with why there are not MORE traces of RS and Amanda in Meredith's bedroom if they were both involved in the killing at the time it was taking place. How come there are not bloody footprints/handprints of them in there?

The question I would ask is: How is it possible that the evidence on the item from Sollecito is allegedly a result of contamination, but the nearby evidence on the same item from Guede is authentic.

There must have been evidence of Knox and Sollecito on Meredith's door, as we know that they tried to open the door. We didn't hear anything about that. Should we assume that the door was not tested for DNA, or that the door was tested, DNA from Knox and Sollecito was on the door, and this fact did not reveal any useful evidence ... so it's not mentioned anywhere?

Any thoughts on why there was no DNA evidence of Knox on the lamp that was in her bedroom?

 

[otto]

Regarding the DNA, what I have read is that discovery of it can depend on humidity levels. It's possible that the humidity in the cottage in November in Italy was high enough that it somehow played a factor in the collection of DNA. Perhaps the only DNA that could be found had to somehow be mixed with something else, like Knox's DNA in Meredith's blood in Filomina's bedroom. Perhaps no DNA was on Meredith's door, even though we know Knox and Sollecito should be all over the door, because of humidity levels.

 

[aa9511]

I will have to read more about the DNA in this case, don't know enough about it as of now.

Amanda's phone call to her mom right before the body's discovered speaks volumes to me, and at the same time RS was apparently also calling people close to him.<modsnip> . The only thing that apparently matters to them is DNA proof of the murder, nothing else matters.

 

[otto]

I will have to read more about the DNA in this case, don't know enough about it as of now.

Amanda's phone call to her mom right before the body's discovered speaks volumes to me, and at the same time RS was apparently also calling people close to him.<modsnip> . The only thing that apparently matters to them is DNA proof of the murder, nothing else matters.

There is a long discussion about DNA analysis on one of the threads. One or two of the posters seem to know a lot about it ... about how many loci were checked, how many analyses iterations were generated using the newer machine, and so on.

The argument seems to be that footprints, which were identified with luminal and which contained DNA (not necessarily blood), might have been created with grapefruit juice. I'm looking forward to the day that the grapefruit argument is presented in a US courtroom. I'd like to see how it goes over. It didn't go over all that well in Italy the first time around, but the annulled appeal was another story.

I think the situation is that Knox's skin cell DNA was found in Meredith's blood in Filomina's bedroom. There's a second and third sample, from Knox's bedroom and the hallway, one of which contained only Meredith's blood in a footprint that has been attributed to Knox. The argument seems to be that it's not Meredith's blood - it's grapefruit juice that someone tracked all over the flat - barefoot. It might have been Knox that tracked the grapefruit juice from bathroom to the bedroom door to Filomina's bedroom.

Maybe someone can correct me if I have misunderstood the defense argument.

 

[Footwarrior]

I will have to read more about the DNA in this case, don't know enough about it as of now.

Amanda's phone call to her mom right before the body's discovered speaks volumes to me, and at the same time RS was apparently also calling people close to him. I suppose the innocence-believers will just chalk that up to chance. The only thing that apparently matters to them is DNA proof of the murder, nothing else matters.

Amanda called her mother for advice. Her Mom told her to call the police. Is there anything odd or suspicious about this?

 

[Footwarrior]

Otto, it's been explained many times that Luminol also reacts to bleach and cleaning products containing bleach. Common products found and used in most households. So why are you talking about grapefruit juice?

 

[otto]

Amanda called her mother for advice. Her Mom told her to call the police. Is there anything odd or suspicious about this?

Knox completely forgot about the phone call she made to mom before anything had happened. The fact that she made the phone call before anything happened is the point. The fact that Knox's memory continues to fail in this area suggests that there is a reason why Knox refuses to answer questions about the first phone call. She claimed memory failure during the trial.

The part that is odd is the timing. Knox arrived at the cottage at about 10 AM, wide open door, showered, blow dried her hair and suddenly noticed feces around the corner in Laura and Filomina's bathroom.

Knox and Sollecito had been awake since 6 AM, so four hours of sleep. They lied about how much sleep they'd had. They claimed that they slept until 10 AM, phone records proved otherwise.

After she showered in the bathroom she shared with Meredith, she apparently scootched across the hallway on the bathmat to her bedroom. Then she got dressed, did her hair (in the other bathroom), grabbed a mop, walked through Perugia with a mop (which no one in Perugia saw at 11 AM on a Sunday), had lunch with Sollecito, and then she mentioned the feces, open door, bloody visit home. After the murder was reported to police, there were questions about timing related to Knox's cell phone calls with Filomina. Cell phone records are available in the Massei Report.

The wide open door, blood in the bathroom, blood on the light switch, blood on the bathmat, blood in the sink, blood in the bidet and so on did not concern Knox. Only the feces sounded the alarm, even though she herself was guilty of leaving feces in the toilet (reported by the English friends that this bothered Meredith). Scootching across the hallway apparently means that the luminal prints could not belong to her.

Knox's second phone call to her mom was at the same time that Sollecito was talking with his sister, who was Carabinieri. She was fired for comments she made during recorded pre-trial conversations.

Knox completely forgot about the phone all she made to her mom before anything had happened. Why was she phoning her mom when nothing had happened. She had never called her mother at such an irregular hour before ... why "before anything had happened"?

 

[otto]

Otto, it's been explained many times that Luminol also reacts to bleach and cleaning products containing bleach. Common products found and used in most households. So why are you talking about grapefruit juice?

Just so I get it right, the blood belongs to Meredith and was revealed with luminal. Is that true?

If not, is the theory that Knox spilled grapefruit (or bleach) juice on the floor in the bathroom, and then traipsed through the cottage with sticky feet? ... to Meredith's door, her bedroom, Filomina's bedroom? The prosecution theory is that the scene was staged ... Meredith's blood was found in glass in Filomina's bedroom ... meaning the murder had happened when the break-in was hatched. Guede's shoes leave bloody footprints down the hall and out the door. Those prints fade as he approaches the door ... no one is questioning whether the faded prints are grapefruit juice.

There's apparently skin cell evidence of Knox in the mix in the sample from Filomina's bedroom?

 

[Footwarrior]

A lot happened before Knox called her Mother that day. Knox found the front door to the cottage open, a broken window, signs of a burglary and blood. She had attempted to call her flatmate Meredith and got no answer. She had talked to flatmate Filomena on the phone. Filomena was so concerned she was on her way back to the cottage. Claiming that nothing had happened is simply a lie.

Questioning the time is rather odd. No good parent would object to a call from a child needing help and advice, even at an ungodly hour.

 

[sherlockh]

I don't see grapefruit juice on the list The list does contain some other juices but these only give a weak reaction. Since blood gives a strong reaction you would actually need a fruit pulp. Maybe it was enamel paint?
http://www.iapsonline.com/sites/def...mon Interferences with Luminol With Blood.pdf

This was already posted I believe?
<modsnip>
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Luminol_Traces

 

[redheadedgal]

The elimination of bleach as a possible explanation for a false positive results in the only possible conclusion being that these footprints were made in blood.

what is your explanation why the tiles and grouting are illuminated?

if, as you say, AK (if this is indeed her footprint) had very minute amounts of blood on her feet as she walked around the cottage, there is no way blood would land all over the floor as shown in the photo below.

it's either all blood, or it's not. you can't have it both ways.

 

[sherlockh]

what is your explanation why the tiles and grouting are illuminated?

if, as you say, AK (if this is indeed her footprint) had very minute amounts of blood on her feet as she walked around the cottage, there is no way blood would land all over the floor as shown in the photo below.

it's either all blood, or it's not. you can't have it both ways.

I don't see the pic but in general the brightest illuminations were from the feet. The area around it doesn't react so strong. I think there could be several explanations. My best guess is that it was from their cleaning activities before they were stupid enough to put their feet on the floor. I never understood how this is supposed to explain away the bright reactions to Luminol from their bare feet anyway. You can't expect me to explain every singe blue dot on the Luminol pictures. It is those bright reactions from the feet that matter. JMO.

 

[Mollyandme]

i've read through everything i can and all the links people have provided so kindly in this thread that support both sides of the argument as to whether or not Amanda is involved. it is very much appreciated. i'm still on the fence over whether or not Amanda was involved. If this case happened in the USA and was brought to trial here with all the same evidence, same exact circumstances, etc, i would have to vote not guilty if i was a juror. i'm normally extremely pro prosecution but in this case i'm just not even 75% convinced Amanda was involved. i know thats not a very popular opinion but for me, i have seen enough reasonable doubt that i'm not convinced she was involved.