Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Mica]

I agree. The San Francisco “-sighting” is laughable moo—So implausible and frankly, ridiculous in its buffoonery. MOO

My top 3 theories are nearly interchangeable for position:

1) fell overboard while throwing up

2) suicide (this really can’t be discounted, especially if know someone lost to suicide. It’s always “seemed so happy, in a good place, wish she had reached out for help, had no idea it was that bad”, etc

3) murdered and body thrown overboard.

Moo these are the only things that make sense MOO

The FBI obviously felt differently. No buffoonery about it. They thought the witness(s) account were credible enough to have artist’s sketches made of the 2 potential suspects and posted them on their website.

IMO, suicide is out of the question.

 

[Mica]

Also, the business plan between what this guy was doing and the “adult vacation resort” where the pictures of Jas were posted are astonishingly similar. I believe the names of the businesses were quite similar as well.

It would be a major disservice to overlook this theory.

Yes, the business plan and the company names were very similar. Something that shouldn’t be overlooked, as you said.

 

[Mica]

Also, unknown male was mid to late 40s in 1992 but AC Is 52 in 2018.

That doesn’t compute either.

Can you direct me to where you’re getting the suspect was mid to late 40’s in 1992?

 

[trenchmouth]

I’m thinking along these lines, too. There was a renewed interest in Amy’s cold case by the FBI within 9 months after Cotten’s sentencing. They went public with new age progression photos of Amy and created a video and audio. They added Amy’s case back onto their missing person’s page.

Cotten looks very much like the FBI sketch from the San Francisco sighting. Maybe it’s just a coincidence Homeland Security and ICE decided to run a sting on a man who owns an adult sex vacation property in the DR who looks exactly like the man in the SF sketch. Not a coincidence, IMO. If Cotten is somehow involved or has information about Amy’s disappearance, he could have traded info for a lighter sentence. All JMO.

IMHO this makes sense. If AC was involved it makes no sense that he walks away scot-free unless they don't have enough evidence or they are trying to go higher up the chain to bring those responsible to justice and locate her if she is still alive.

 

[trenchmouth]

Sadly, I believe Amy went overboard. I just don't see the proof that anyone has actually verified that she was kidnapped for the purpose of human trafficking and taken off the ship. I have been on many cruises including on RC and I just find it improbable that anyone could have snuck her off. I know for fact that crew member's passports are held by the ship and only officers can get off at any port. Non officers are only allowed to disembark at certain ports for the purpose of buying toiletries and other items that they may want from stores/warehouses that cater to cruise employees.

That's an opinion. No more worthy than others who think she was kidnapped.

 

[trenchmouth]

SF sighting was taken very serious by the FBI as they created sketches of the handlers. Anything is possible. Yes it would be high risk to bring her back to the states, however when there is high reward risks are taken.

 

[Sleuthster]

Well apparently the staff is allowed off in Aruba to go to nightclubs....

Officers. Regular crew could not get through security at the end of the dock. I've been to Aruba. The ports that they are allowed to disembark do not allow visits to night clubs for the regular crew.

 

[Sleuthster]

I agree. The San Francisco “-sighting” is laughable moo—So implausible and frankly, ridiculous in its buffoonery. MOO

My top 3 theories are nearly interchangeable for position:

1) fell overboard while throwing up

2) suicide (this really can’t be discounted, especially if know someone lost to suicide. It’s always “seemed so happy, in a good place, wish she had reached out for help, had no idea it was that bad”, etc

3) murdered and body thrown overboard.

Moo these are the only things that make sense MOO

Yes, I agree. One of those 3

 

[Sleuthster]

That's an opinion. No more worthy than others who think she was kidnapped.

That is my opinion, yes. Others have their opinions also which no one, including myself, has said is not a valid opinion. Everyone has a right to their opinion and putting heads together to find what has happened to Amy can be useful using their opinions as long as they don't post a non MSM link and treat it like fact.

 

[CoolJ]

Officers. Regular crew could not get through security at the end of the dock. I've been to Aruba. The ports that they are allowed to disembark do not allow visits to night clubs for the regular crew.

No, not officers, waiters.

 

[Sleuthster]

BTW, It is impossible to just fall over a balcony rail in a balcony room. This is what Carnival says about their height https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2820/~/balcony-stateroom-information They state that theirs are 65 inches in height. Royal Caribbean claims that theirs are above standard. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custo...gename=frequently_asked_questions&faqType=faq Can't find the exact height but comparable or taller then Carnivals could be taken from their statement. To fall overboard you would have to be standing on a chair leaning over the rail, sit on the rail (usual cause due to alcohol or suicide) or have someone throw you over the rail.

 

[Sleuthster]

No, not officers, waiters.

So you're saying the cruise line and customs just let them walk off the ship without their passports so they could go to a nightclub where no one asked for their id if they served them drinks during the 5 hours that the ship was in Aruba? I am a writer working on a novel who has interviewed crew, Officers and non Officers, in detail about security. I know for fact that they hold the waiters passports/Visas. It's not that they are holding them as indentured servants. They do this so they can't just leave the ship and not come back when they may not have access with their visas to do so. They cruise line is responsible for them.

 

[Lamima]

So you're saying the cruise line and customs just let them walk off the ship without their passports so they could go to a nightclub where no one asked for their id if they served them drinks during the 5 hours that the ship was in Aruba? I am a writer working on a novel who has interviewed crew, Officers and non Officers, in detail about security. I know for fact that they hold the waiters passports/Visas. It's not that they are holding them as indentured servants. They do this so they can't just leave the ship and not come back when they may not have access with their visas to do so. They cruise line is responsible for them.

I have read those cheesy cruise staff books and the crew are allowed off ship on a break in port to party it up. It's like once per cruise. (books: cruise confidential, the truth about cruise ships...etc)
I have cruised 10 times and get off the ship and notice staff getting off too (they go through different line or gangway). I have even chatted with one or two. I think they have badges and the ship will verify for them at port.

 

[CoolJ]

So you're saying the cruise line and customs just let them walk off the ship without their passports so they could go to a nightclub where no one asked for their id if they served them drinks during the 5 hours that the ship was in Aruba? I am a writer working on a novel who has interviewed crew, Officers and non Officers, in detail about security. I know for fact that they hold the waiters passports/Visas. It's not that they are holding them as indentured servants. They do this so they can't just leave the ship and not come back when they may not have access with their visas to do so. They cruise line is responsible for them.

I am saying that some waiters tried to get Amy to go to Carlos and Charlie’s while they were docked in Aruba.
In 1998, I am quite confident that crew were able to get off the ship whether they were allowed to or not. I am also quite confident they would have been able to smuggle stuff on and off the ships.

 

[Tssiemer]

I am saying that some waiters tried to get Amy to go to Carlos and Charlie’s while they were docked in Aruba.
In 1998, I am quite confident that crew were able to get off the ship whether they were allowed to or not. I am also quite confident they would have been able to smuggle stuff on and off the ships.

While this is not my theory, ITA with this.


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[Lamima]

BTW, It is impossible to just fall over a balcony rail in a balcony room. This is what Carnival says about their height https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2820/~/balcony-stateroom-information They state that theirs are 65 inches in height. Royal Caribbean claims that theirs are above standard. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custo...gename=frequently_asked_questions&faqType=faq Can't find the exact height but comparable or taller then Carnivals could be taken from their statement. To fall overboard you would have to be standing on a chair leaning over the rail, sit on the rail (usual cause due to alcohol or suicide) or have someone throw you over the rail.

This is true. You have to climb up to get over rail. It would not be all that possible to accidentally fall over unless you are standing or climbing on something. You could maybe if you were leaning over to see something, but you'd have to really be leaning out there. I wonder if she leaned over to throw up but there was someone else's balcony below hers so she really leaned out there and then fell.

 

[Mica]

I have read those cheesy cruise staff books and the crew are allowed off ship on a break in port to party it up. It's like once per cruise. (books: cruise confidential, the truth about cruise ships...etc)
I have cruised 10 times and get off the ship and notice staff getting off too (they go through different line or gangway). I have even chatted with one or two. I think they have badges and the ship will verify for them at port.

Q: How much time do you spend off the ship?

A: The amount of time you spend off the ship depends on three main factors 1.) The contract you hold with your employer and 2.) The amount of time your ship allows passengers to visit ports. 3.) Your position on the cruise ship. Crew members working in departments and positions that are slow or closed when a ship is in port, generally have more free time in each port.

When your ship stops at ports most crew members are allowed (and in most cases encouraged) to get off the ship and explore. Generally, crew members are allowed to be out in port until one hour prior to departure (of course, unless they are on duty).

http://www.cruisejobfinder.com/fm/cruises/cruise_ship_jobs_FAQ.php

 

[frisson]

I cannot see Amy walking out against her will. If she were drugged and appeared to be drunk or incapacitated , that doesnt make sense to drag a sick (drugged) looking-drunk, person off a ship. NO one noticed any huge containers leaving (?)

IF she were back in the US wouldnt they have changed her hair color and otherwise changed her appearance since her face was on TV? IDK what to think.

Her dad saw her on the balcony at 5:30 ish. Why would she leave after having been out drinking so late?

The balcony rail sounds high, so she'd have to climb on a chair or table to even lean over the rail.... for whatever reason.

I dont want to doubt the dad, but was he very sure he saw her? I just cant figure out why she'd leave the cabin at that hour after having just gotten in (?) Did the dad hear her or see her actually come in or just see her asleep on the balcony? Why wasn't she in her bed?

Were cell phones readily owned/available at that time?

 

[Hiandmighty]

BTW, It is impossible to just fall over a balcony rail in a balcony room. This is what Carnival says about their height https://help.carnival.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2820/~/balcony-stateroom-information They state that theirs are 65 inches in height. Royal Caribbean claims that theirs are above standard. http://www.royalcaribbean.com/custo...gename=frequently_asked_questions&faqType=faq Can't find the exact height but comparable or taller then Carnivals could be taken from their statement. To fall overboard you would have to be standing on a chair leaning over the rail, sit on the rail (usual cause due to alcohol or suicide) or have someone throw you over the rail.

The rails were lower in 1998– Not that much lower but the weight is in your head and your body will go where the head leads in a case of passing out while throwing up over the rails. Plus, she was on the tall side, so it isn’t an impossibility.

I do think suicide should be looked at more closely, especially given FBI found evidence of someone sitting on the rails.

There would be no evidence of this though. She didn’t leave a suicide note that we have ever heard of.

 

[trenchmouth]

"After Amy left her room, she was seen near the disco with Douglas on ship security footage at approximately 6 AM.*A witness wouldsubsequently claim to have seen Douglas hand Bradley a dark drink, possibly coffee. Other witnesses saw Douglas leaving the area by himself, but Amy was never seen again."

https://m.ranker.com/list/facts-abo...aZa7viw.1&utm_referrer=http://www.google.com/

I've followed this case for quite some time and thought it was common knowledge that she was seen around 6:00 am with Yellow by an eyewitness. This article claims she was observed on a security camera as well. That's new for me if true.

Falling overboard seems to be the least likely scenario if true.

Is it generally accepted as being fact or probable? Seems likely to me. Other sources for this alleged sighting?