Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[kimmo]

That link isn't working for me

Sorry about that! Tried editing my post to fix the link.

 

[CoolJ]

Yet the FBI did find evidence that someone sat on the railing. No one else who had an opportunity to sit on the railing is missing.

Please provide a source for this claim and then elaborate on how exactly there could be evidence someone sat on a railing??

Respectfully, this claim doesn’t make one iota of sense to me.

 

[trenchmouth]

Please provide a source for this claim and then elaborate on how exactly there could be evidence someone sat on a railing??

Respectfully, this claim doesn’t make one iota of sense to me.

I agree. And how could they prove it wasn't from the last 100 people that stayed in that room? Total nonsense. Unless an official report is provided from the FBI.

 

[trenchmouth]

Take out an http://

http://www.lifenews.ca/announcement/6996715-zaglanitis-georgios


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Nearly certain that's the GZ related to AAV. There's discussion about him in another locked Amy Bradley thread on WS.

 

[kimmo]

Nearly certain that's the GZ related to AAV. There's discussion about him in another locked Amy Bradley thread on WS.

I've been playing catch up on all the Amy Bradley threads. I just finished thread 2 and did a little googling. Thought it was too close of a call not to jump ahead and share with you fine people. :loveyou:

 

[Dushi]

Please provide a source for this claim and then elaborate on how exactly there could be evidence someone sat on a railing??

Respectfully, this claim doesn’t make one iota of sense to me.

This is all I have seen about that.

. And though the FBI found marks on the ship’s balcony railing consistent with someone having sat on it, investigators say there is no evidence that Amy, a trained lifeguard, fell overboard, was pushed or committed suicide.

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/

It falls in with the no video and US Customs losing disembarkment records.
Its out there with very little to back it up

 

[CoolJ]

This is all I have seen about that.

. And though the FBI found marks on the ship’s balcony railing consistent with someone having sat on it, investigators say there is no evidence that Amy, a trained lifeguard, fell overboard, was pushed or committed suicide.

http://people.com/archive/cover-story-desperate-for-answers-vol-56-no-4/

It falls in with the no video and US Customs losing disembarkment records.
Its out there with very little to back it up

But the claim doesn’t even make sense. What kind of marks on a railing would be consistent with someone sitting on it?

Quite simply, sitting on a railing wouldn’t leave marks of any kind on the railing. That is a ridiculous claim.

This claim came from the RC mouthpiece way back in the day. Which he eventually backtracked on if I recall correctly. The FBI did not make this claim.

Let’s put this claim to bed. It is not logical.

 

[Dushi]

But the claim doesn’t even make sense. What kind of marks on a railing would be consistent with someone sitting on it?

Quite simply, sitting on a railing wouldn’t leave marks of any kind on the railing. That is a ridiculous claim.

This claim came from the RC mouthpiece way back in the day. Which he eventually backtracked on if I recall correctly. The FBI did not make this claim.

Let’s put this claim to bed. It is not logical.

Suits me fine
This piece stays in the rumor department along with several others until I see something solid

Trying very hard not to cherry pick to fit a factless theory.

So much of what I am reading is opinion based and even if there are solid facts, its not easy finding them

 

[Dushi]

Not that it matters, but I expect marks that were suggested by "someone" could simply be a lack of dust in an area on the rail, which would be from wind and moisture in the air. If disturbed, an area would be cleaner that the other areas.
I expect it would be impossible to know who disturbed the dust, dirt

And I don't mean to go on about this, but I do think if someone jumped or fell from the deck, eight stories high, there is a good chance they would not survive

 

[CoolJ]

Suits me fine
This piece stays in the rumor department along with several others until I see something solid

Trying very hard not to cherry pick to fit a factless theory.

So much of what I am reading is opinion based and even if there are solid facts, its not easy finding them

I am pointing out that there is a difference between this claim(marks on a railing) and claims such as no video and no disembarkment records. Those claims are at least possibilities. Marks on a railing as evidence someone sat on it days earlier is not logical.

But my mind is always open , so if someone can give me an example of what kind of markings can prove someone sat on a railing days earlier, I would be more than willing to consider it.

 

[Dushi]

I am pointing out that there is a difference between this claim(marks on a railing) and claims such as no video and no disembarkment records. Those claims are at least possibilities. Marks on a railing as evidence someone sat on it days earlier is not logical.

But my mind is always open , so if someone can give me an example of what kind of markings can prove someone sat on a railing days earlier, I would be more than willing to consider it.

I think I gave you an example above, no way to know who did the sitting

I think all the claims are possible including the railing , just not much of anything to back them up

 

[CoolJ]

I think I gave you an example above, no way to know who did the sitting

I think all the claims are possible including the railing , just not much of anything to back them up

I suppose there could be a disturbance in the “stuff” on the railing(not sure what kind of stuff, but I will go along with it).... but to see it as evidence that someone was actually “sitting” on it and who and when, and remember, this is days after that the fbi would have been there.

I am very confident the fbi didn’t make this claim.

 

[Dushi]

I suppose there could be a disturbance in the “stuff” on the railing(not sure what kind of stuff, but I will go along with it).... but to see it as evidence that someone was actually “sitting” on it and who and when, and remember, this is days after that the fbi would have been there.

I am very confident the fbi didn’t make this claim.

I certainly won't argue with you because I simply don't know

 

[Tssiemer]

Of course she didn’t commit suicide. How likely is it that someone would die jumping into the ocean from that height? Not a good suicide option would be my guess.

http://www.cruisebruise.com

Lots of people choose this option of suicide. I’ve been suicidal. I see the appeal of ending it all after a perfect vacation in paradise. Plus if you want attention... thousands of other people would be affected as they fish you out, etc.


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[CoolJ]

http://www.cruisebruise.com

Lots of people choose this option of suicide. I’ve been suicidal. I see the appeal of ending it all after a perfect vacation in paradise. Plus if you want attention... thousands of other people would be affected as they fish you out, etc.


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I am just not convinced it would be immediately fatal.

 

[Tssiemer]

I am just not convinced it would be immediately fatal.

Not always. If the fall doesn’t kill you the sharks or hypothermia will. Dehydration if they don’t find you I guess too.

People survive and get scooped out of the water alive. With man over board sensors and alarms people know quicker when someone is in danger.

I believe at the start of this thread there is a story of a cruise ship jump survivor. She hit a lifeboat on the way down and was injured that way too. She was very lucky.


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[Dushi]

So what are your chances of survival if you find yourself plunging off the side of a ship? The blunt answer is that the odds are stacked against you, but there are many variables that will determine your fate.

Much depends on how far you fall and the temperature and condition of the sea.

“If you fall from a great height, not only do you risk breaking a limb as you hit the water, but it will knock all the air out of you and you can drown very quickly.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/articles/How-to-survive-if-you-fall-off-a-cruise-ship/

This is what CAN happen, not what DID happen AFAIK


The water temp would have been warm

 

[Tssiemer]

So what are your chances of survival if you find yourself plunging off the side of a ship? The blunt answer is that the odds are stacked against you, but there are many variables that will determine your fate.

Much depends on how far you fall and the temperature and condition of the sea.

“If you fall from a great height, not only do you risk breaking a limb as you hit the water, but it will knock all the air out of you and you can drown very quickly.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/articles/How-to-survive-if-you-fall-off-a-cruise-ship/

This is what CAN happen, not what DID happen AFAIK


The water temp would have been warm

“How cold does the water have to be to put a person at risk for hypothermia? Even water temperatures as high as 75 and 80 degrees F (24 and 27 degrees C) can be dangerous, but it would most likely take much longer than 15 minutes to become debilitated.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/airplane-1549-hudson-hypothermia/


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[Tssiemer]

FWIW

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/unnatural-cruise-ship-deaths-30-year-article-1.3773399


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[Tssiemer]

I’ve never been on a cruise. Don’t think I will. Seems too helpless to be on a ship with thousands of people I don’t know with no where to go but over if something happens.

Same with flying. But I’ve only flown 3 times.


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