Amy Bradley, 23, Disappeared from cruise ship en route to Curaçao, 24 March 1998 #4

[Dushi]

“How cold does the water have to be to put a person at risk for hypothermia? Even water temperatures as high as 75 and 80 degrees F (24 and 27 degrees C) can be dangerous, but it would most likely take much longer than 15 minutes to become debilitated.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/airplane-1549-hudson-hypothermia/


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As a rule of thumb, it is estimated that in waters of around 5°C, victims have roughly 60 minutes before hypothermia sets in; at 10°C this doubles to two hours; and at 15°C it extends to six hours.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/articles/How-to-survive-if-you-fall-off-a-cruise-ship/

 

[Mica]

I am just not convinced it would be immediately fatal.

With 80 degree water temps bodies usually surface in 1-2 days. With the extensive 3 day water search, I suspect Amy’s body would have surfaced if she was in the water. I don’t know if this was a reason or not, but the US Coast Guard concluded Amy was not in the water. They are the experts.

 

[Dushi]

With 80 degree water temps bodies usually surface in 1-2 days. With the extensive 3 day water search, I suspect Amy’s body would have surfaced if she was in the water. I don’t know if this was a reason or not, but the US Coast Guard concluded Amy was not in the water. They are the experts.

You may be correct, but i don't think it is always that simple
Other things can happen when a body is in warm water
It would not be the first body to go into the water and not surface, if in fact this happened at all

 

[CoolJ]

With 80 degree water temps bodies usually surface in 1-2 days. With the extensive 3 day water search, I suspect Amy’s body would have surfaced if she was in the water. I don’t know if this was a reason or not, but the US Coast Guard concluded Amy was not in the water. They are the experts.

Yea, but my thinking is that it is a poor choice for suicide. I amnot doubting that you would eventually die. It would be a long slow death if nobody sees you and tries to save you.

 

[Tssiemer]

Yea, but my thinking is that it is a poor choice for suicide. I amnot doubting that you would eventually die. It would be a long slow death if nobody sees you and tries to save you.

Definitely impulsive.


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[Dushi]

Yea, but my thinking is that it is a poor choice for suicide. I amnot doubting that you would eventually die. It would be a long slow death if nobody sees you and tries to save you.

I personally don't think suicide has anything to do with her disappearance. ( in as much as she got up and decided to end her life)
Personally i think suicide is always a poor choice, but if you are in that frame of mind, I think choices are whatever may be at hand and immediate
People in that much pain are not rational

 

[CoolJ]

“How cold does the water have to be to put a person at risk for hypothermia? Even water temperatures as high as 75 and 80 degrees F (24 and 27 degrees C) can be dangerous, but it would most likely take much longer than 15 minutes to become debilitated.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/airplane-1549-hudson-hypothermia/


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Yea hypothermia would take some time to be fatal. I personally take ice baths at 50-55 deg f for 10-15 minutes. Some do this as low as 40 deg f.

75-80 deg f is actually quite warm

 

[Dushi]

Yea hypothermia would take some time to be fatal. I personally take ice baths at 50-55 deg f for 10-15 minutes. Some do this as low as 40 deg f.

75-80 deg f is actually quite warm

It is warm and in my experience varies little no matter what time of year

 

[human]

When on a cruise ship, you cannot leave whenever you want to can you? Aren’t there specific times?

Crew members rarely get to leave the cruise ship.

Is there a way off of the ship in port or are the exits unavailable? Isn’t the stern used for loading so a tender is needed for that or a crane?

 

[Dushi]

When on a cruise ship, you cannot leave whenever you want to can you? Aren’t there specific times?

Crew members rarely get to leave the cruise ship.

Is there a way off of the ship in port or are the exits unavailable? Isn’t the stern used for loading so a tender is needed for that or a crane?

I have only cruised once.
We could come and go when we wanted when the ship was docked along shore
If we had to use a tender, then you are on the ships schedule
To leave and come on, you had to show an ID card
Everyone is checked on and off
No other way of knowing if you are missing passengers when the ship leaves port

 

[human]

I have only cruised once.
We could come and go when we wanted when the ship was docked along shore
If we had to use a tender, then you are on the ships schedule
To leave and come on, you had to show an ID card
Everyone is checked on and off
No other way of knowing if you are missing passengers when the ship leaves port

There was no time you had to be back onboard? You could leave at 2 AM if you wished?

 

[human]

There was no time you had to be back onboard? You could leave at 2 AM if you wished?

And the ID because they do not want random people stowing away either

 

[human]

Secrets of the cruise ship

https://nypost.com/2015/04/06/hidden-decks-morgues-and-5-other-cruise-ship-secrets/

 

[Dushi]

There was no time you had to be back onboard? You could leave at 2 AM if you wished?

Good question and I do not know the answer.
When we left the ship, we were told when we needed to be back.
We only spent one night in port and we did not leave the ship so I don't know what the instructions were

 

[human]

Good question and I do not know the answer.
When we left the ship, we were told when we needed to be back.
We only spent one night in port and we did not leave the ship so I don't know what the instructions were

When you left the ship, did you go through a small area where there was a staff member that collected your info?

There is no way off of the ship except through guarded points, is there?

 

[Tssiemer]

Secrets of the cruise ship

https://nypost.com/2015/04/06/hidden-decks-morgues-and-5-other-cruise-ship-secrets/

Fancy.


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[Dushi]

When you left the ship, did you go through a small area where there was a staff member that collected your info?

There is no way off of the ship except through guarded points, is there?

That is correct
everyone was funnelled in and out of one entrance/exit that was manned by someone checking ID

 

[human]

16 things cruise ships do not want to tell you

https://www.destinationtips.com/cru...MIkrHZvfTs2gIVBglpCh3xdgW1EAMYAyAAEgLnbPD_BwE

 

[Hiandmighty]

Let's break this down.

Amy Bradley disappeared from the ship early that morning.

1. She jumped or fell. Can this be proven? Probably not.

2. She was killed on the ship. Can this be proven? Odds are her remains were dumped overboard (Cf. #1 for proof problems), so unless someone eventually breaks, probably not.

3. She was taken from the ship. Can this be proven? In the worst case scenario, she was eventually killed and dumped at sea, so unless someone breaks, probably not. In a better case scenario, she was killed, but disposed of on land. Here at least, regardless of anyone breaking, there is a chance remains will eventually be found and we will know SOMETHING happened. The best case scenario is of course that Amy is alive and eventually finds her way home to share her experience and name her captors.

Thoughts?

Sounds reasonable. We just don’t know and now it is 20 years later.

 

[Hiandmighty]

As a rule of thumb, it is estimated that in waters of around 5°C, victims have roughly 60 minutes before hypothermia sets in; at 10°C this doubles to two hours; and at 15°C it extends to six hours.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/cruises/articles/How-to-survive-if-you-fall-off-a-cruise-ship/

If she was drunk and dehydrated, hypothermia would set it quickly. Given 10-15 miles offshore and sea critters, she would never be found.

This is why persons overboard can be declared dead quickly after the missing from a ship incident.