Andrew Kinsman, 49, Toronto, 26 June 2017

[AddyFinch]

THAT is failure to do your job. I will tar and feather. The police force is not easy to get into, and I know many who would have died for a job in that place and certainly wouldn't have turned their backs on someone simply because they were an escort, foreign, or homosexual.

~Be part of the solution~ Here's a list of the police forces in surrounding T.O area all hiring.

https://members.drps.ca/internet_explorer/career/recruiting_new.asp
https://www.yrp.ca/en/careers/police-constables.asp
https://www.barriepolice.ca/uniform-and-civilian-opportunities
http://www.southsimcoepolice.on.ca/join-us/experienced-officer.html
https://hamiltonpolice.on.ca/how-to/get-involved/police-constable-new-recruit
https://www.peelpolice.ca/en/jobsopportunities/policeofficeruniform.asp
https://www.haltonpolice.ca/joinus/officer/index.php
https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...-hiring-freeze-plans-to-hire-80-officers.html

 

[AddyFinch]

I wonder if he is showing his violent temper while incarcerated?
Surely someone must have known this, or were they all silenced?
The sister's says he was not like this? I wonder if they interviewed the exwife?

 

[matou]

In addition, he was ordered not to possess amyl nitrites – a drug popular in the gay community that heightens sexual interactions.

http://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...er-bruce-mcarthur-was-barred-from-gay-village

 

[Grey-St]

EAST
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...32-Toronto-25-August-2003&highlight=Cassandra
Cassandra Do, Transgender, August 2003 The Village, FOUND DECEASED
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...to-ON-neighborhood-2010-2012&highlight=Skanda
Skandaraj Navaratanam September, 2010 The Village
Abdulbasir (Basir) Faizi December, 2010 The Village
Majeed (Hamid)Kayhan October, 2012 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...33-Toronto-Ont-May-2014&highlight=Aman+Abdela
Aman Abdela, 33, Toronto, Ont, May 2014 Sherbourne/Wellesley
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251973-Canada-Stephen-Perkovic-37-Toronto-Ont-26-July-2014
Stephen Perkovic, 37, Toronto July 2014 Church/Maitland
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Toronto-14-April-2017&p=13879873#post13879873
Selim Esen April 2017 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ght=Frank+Wang
Zhu 'Frank' Wang, 25, Toronto, May 19, 2017 Yonge/Gerrard
Jeffrey Howard, June 2, 2017 Victoria/Shuter
Mohammad Eldardiry, June 12, 2017 Queen/Jarvis
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Andrew-Kinsman-49-Toronto-26-June-2017/page35
Andrew Kinsman, June 26, 2017 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...=Alloura+Wells
Alloura Wells, Transgender, Toronto, July 2017 Rosedale, FOUND DECEASED
Chase Kinkaid August 11 2017 Yonge/College
James Gare September 8, 2017 Shuter/Bond
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...da-George-Sekaloh-62-Toronto-28-November-2017
George Sekaloh November 28, 2017 Dundas/Sherbourne

WEST
Dragan Ilic March 13, 2017 Scarlett/East
Harrison Mantalas May 30, 2017 College/Spadina
Edward Edmond Harding June 1, 2017 Queen/Shaw, Do not approach
Jacques Vermeiren June 29, 2017 Queen/Ossington
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ada-David-Cronkwright-54-Toronto-25-July-2017
David Cronkwright July 25, 2017 Eglinton/Keele
Odean McFarlane August 10, 2017 Queen/Ossington, Do not approach
Alexander Man September 7, 2017 Queen/Ossington
Sayed Ahmed Abidy September 13, 2017 Queen/Ossington, Do not approach
Isaiah Silva Fonseca September 18, 2017 Queen/Jameson
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...onto-28-November-2017&p=13865144#post13865144
Zamil Ali November 2017 Bloor/Spadina

NORTH
Wayne Broadbend March 7, 2017 Victoria Park/Sheppard
John Stephenson May 31, 2017 Don Mills/McNicoll
Igor Vergovic August 14, 2017 Leslie/Sheppard
Sheldon Smith September 15, 2017 Don Mills/Sheppard
Jpaul Amar September 19, 2017 Jane/Finch

OTHER
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...hes-Jul-80&highlight=transgender+unidentified
Unidentified Transgender Remains July, 1980 Markham, FOUND DECEASED
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Robert-Plewes-20-Toronto-Ontario-30-June-1984
Robert Plewes June 30, 1984 Toronto/Algonquin
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?340789-Canada-Norman-Whalley-36-amp-Grant-Ayerst-21-Toronto-11-Sept-1991&p=13441104&highlight=grant+AYERST#post1344110 4
Norman Whalley September 11, 1991 Toronto/Barrie
Grant Ayerst September 11, 1991 Toronto/Barrie
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Belleville-ON-24-Jan-94&highlight=belleville
David Ernest Rowbotham January 24, 1995 Bellville, Ontario
John Stanley Grabluk November 15, 1997 Scarborough
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ntario-26-March-2008&highlight=Calvin+Vanness
Calvin Vaness March 26, 2008 Bellville, Ontario
Osman Choudhury March 6 2017 from Toronto/Milton
Balwant Grewal April 21, 2017 Mississauga
Murray Mulvina May 17, 2017 Scarborough
Bryce Hall August 4, 2017 Windsor
Rajesh Persaud September 16, 2017 Scarborough
Aaron Giardino September 20, 2017 Mississauga
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?351602-Canada-Eugene-Kim-38-Markham-Ont-2-Oct-2017
Eugene Kim Oct 2017 Markham/Algonquin

FOUND
Aron Seal December 10, 2016 Church/Lombard
Daniel Pressello June 5, 2017 George/Gerrard
Matthew Rivera August 2017 Havlock
Troy Mussington August 30, 2017 Jarvis/Gerrard
Eric Ram September 27 2017 Yonge/Gerrard
Francis Doyle October 25, 2017 Jarvis/Gerrard
Jordan Russell Jan 2018 Queen/Ossington

 

[Grey-St]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...on-suggests-organized-killer-expert-says.html

Interesting distinction between organized and disorganized killers re: Bruce McArthur.

 

[lcid]

I took a break from this thread today because it's getting to my head. Came back to even worse articles. Good lord this man is a monster.

 

[JDG]

I know what you mean. I literally cannot sleep tonight, its all a bit overwhelming.

Shall try again. fftobed:

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

Personalizing and bickering is a violation of TOS. Do NOT respond to the post but use the Alert feature to let WS staff know there is an issue and let us deal with it.

:wave:

 

[nuff]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...on-suggests-organized-killer-expert-says.html

Interesting distinction between organized and disorganized killers re: Bruce McArthur.

Excellent article. I keep wondering what evidence TPS has in hand that convinced them and the Crown that first-degree murder charges could be upheld without bodies. It must be compelling. We likely won't find out until a trial.

I'm not aware of other serials who began their activities in their mid-60's (although they may exist, if caught) ... and I'm dreading what we may learn of his true history.

 

[Jbor]

I can’t find anything in the news about this so I have no idea the accuracy or if it’s at all related.

My husband sent me a text last night that two bodies had been discovered in a vehicle in the woods near Joyceville Ontario. Apparently the bodies had been there awhile. I am waiting to hear more from him.

****Editing to add that this could be a case of Trucker chatter like the game of telephone where the story grew*****

***edited again because it does appear to be trucker quilting bee gossip. There was an accident that went into the woods****

 

[Sjm_qc]

Bruce McArthur barred from Gay Village as part of sentence for 2001 assault

Accused killer also prohibited from spending time with male prostitutes after assaulting a man with metal pipe almost 15 years ago.

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...age-as-part-of-sentence-for-2001-assault.html

OMG

Thank you so much for sharing this article!

I’ve not been posting much the last few days because I was getting overwhelmed & rather upset, but I have been trying to fill in parts of what I see as “blanks” in the timeline - such as we know it so far - and this absolutely helps.

I’m also - sadly - convinced that there may be some very unpleasant, horrific revelations/details still to come . The publication ban is not insignificant, IMO.

My thoughts are with the families & friends of the victims, particularly those who are still missing but have not yet been *officially* linked to Bruce McArthur.

My heart aches for them.

 

[tarabull]

With multiple victims and no bodies, police are in 'uncharted territory' in McArthur case, says criminologist
By Kate McGillivray , CBC News Posted: Jan 25, 2018 7:00 AM

Snipped...
..."Serial killers target people who are easy victims, people who are in their neighbourhood, people who they may rub shoulders with at social events, and also people who are not likely to get a lot of attention from police investigations," he said.

...A 2005 FBI symposium on serial murder defined it*as "the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcarthur-investigation-challenge-1.4502109

 

[Grey-St]

With multiple victims and no bodies, police are in 'uncharted territory' in McArthur case, says criminologist
By Kate McGillivray , CBC News Posted: Jan 25, 2018 7:00 AM

Snipped...
..."Serial killers target people who are easy victims, people who are in their neighbourhood, people who they may rub shoulders with at social events, and also people who are not likely to get a lot of attention from police investigations," he said.

...A 2005 FBI symposium on serial murder defined it*as "the unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events."


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/mcarthur-investigation-challenge-1.4502109

Another great article, thanks tarabull! While prosecuting a case without a body may be more complex, it's certainly been done before and will be done again. LE most definitely had what they needed to lay charges, and the evidence will only grow as the investigation continues, and the searches progress.

 

[nuff]

So now we know this person has shown violence as far back as 2001, scary, sickening and worrisome.
How many before 2001?!

The 2001 assault sounds like a disorganized, anger-driven act. Perhaps this marks the start of his metamorphosis into an organized serial who is skilled at covering his tracks and his true nature? Even so, fifteen years is a long terrifying time.

 

[Sjm_qc]

This stood out to me:

McArthur was also ordered to stay at least 10 metres away from 484 Church St., the City Park Co-operative Apartments, or any address known to be the home or workplace of the victim.

<snipped by me>

The address of 484 Church St. may also be connected to the now-deceased partner of Majeed “Hamid” Kayhan, who was last seen in October 2012. A police taskforce called Project Houston was created in 2012 to look at the disappearance of Kayhan and two other men who were known to frequent Church and Wellesley.

Cameron Rennie, who has worked as a bartender at Woody’s for 24 years, said Kayhan’s partner used to live at the City Park building, and the men were regular customers at the bar.

It is also mentioned that Skanda (missing since 2010) frequented the same bar.

Source: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...age-as-part-of-sentence-for-2001-assault.html

 

[Sjm_qc]

I wonder if he is showing his violent temper while incarcerated?
Surely someone must have known this, or were they all silenced?
The sister's says he was not like this? I wonder if they interviewed the exwife?

I can’t find the link right now, but the article I saw where his sister spoke had a misleading headline IMO. She didn’t say exactly what was implied in the headline.

Media have tried to contact his ex-wife who has refused to comment.

 

[Grey-St]

I can&#8217;t find the link right now, but the article I saw where his sister spoke had a misleading headline IMO. She didn&#8217;t say exactly what was implied in the headline.

Media have tried to contact his ex-wife who has refused to comment.

Me thinks it would have been difficult to hide the 2001-2003 charges and convictions from BM's family members, but I suppose anything is possible.

 

[Sjm_qc]

Just bringing this 2013 article over which connects, IMO, with the recent Star article.

Connections, connections...

http://torontosun.com/2013/06/06/mi...lars/wcm/c8108d69-85e1-4367-97f3-bab7f5d8dba1

 

[Sjm_qc]

Me thinks it would have been difficult to hide the 2001-2003 charges and convictions from BM's family members, but I suppose anything is possible.

I&#8217;m not sure about that... I think it&#8217;s quite possible they weren&#8217;t aware of it at the time.

 

[Grey-St]

Just bringing this 2013 article over which connects, IMO, with the recent Star article.

Connections, connections...

http://torontosun.com/2013/06/06/mi...lars/wcm/c8108d69-85e1-4367-97f3-bab7f5d8dba1

I'm wondering how Kayhan's partner passed away. It sounds like it was nothing nefarious, but I'm still curious.