Andrew Kinsman, 49, Toronto, 26 June 2017

[JDG]

Well this is the thing, right? Anyone can open a business, no problem, much like Creative Designs. But how was he able to be pass a criminal background check or a vulnerable sector check likely necessary to become a Mall Santa? Also, how does someone become another person's surety (not naming anyone) with such a violent criminal history? How is someone able to travel with such violent convictions on their record, when other people get denied for drug possession charges? These are the things I ponder.

It was mentioned earlier on this thread that "it's unfortunate that he was pardoned". So I'm just trying to follow up with that.

I remember seeing that comment but there was no link or proof of the pardon. I think it was being questioned, in the article about surety but still legal. IMO

 

[Grey-St]

Pardons in Canada have been renamed "record suspensions". The words are essentially interchangeable and mean the same thing. After your sentence is complete, anyone can apply for a record suspension, but there are specific provisions. You have to complete a period of good conduct before even applying:

Summary Offenses: 5 years
Indictable Offenses: 10 years

This literally mean you can not in any way, shape or form, have involvement with LE for either 5 or 10 years. Even if they see that you have been brought in for questioning, that can put your "good conduct" at risk.

Record suspensions do not mean that the crime didn't occur, that you're no longer guilty or that the accused was wrongly convicted, it means that after a period of good conduct, the convictions are removed from the database and kept separate from your active record.

https://www.canada.ca/en/parole-board/services/record-suspensions.html

I looked up BM's convictions, and they are hybrid offenses. This means that they can be tried as a summary or indictable offense depending on what the crown wants to do. Considering that BM received only a conditional sentence with no incarceration, I tend to think he may have had his charges tried as summary offenses.

https://www.pardons.org/types-assault-charges-canada/

So that mean a 5 year good conduct time period was implemented. For at least 5 years he had zero interactions with LE. His sentencing, including probation, would have ended in 2008. A 5 year good conduct time period would bring him to 2013 before being eligible. It can take up to a year for an application to be processed.

From 2008 and 2013, during his good conduct period, a few nefarious things happened, but that's neither here nor there.

In any sense, let's say in 2014 his record suspension was granted. That would have given him a good 4 years to travel freely and pose as Santa Claus with children.

 

[dotr]

We may not be able to discuss BM's room mate... or does this article change anything?

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article...bruce-mcarthur-the-alleged-gay-village-killer
January 25 2018

 

[cnmccarthy]

Add me to the officially LIVID .

I’m going to come right out and say it: IMO, it took the disappearance of a white man (with friends and family who wouldn’t shut up and kept pushing) to get LE moving on this .

The local community has been TRYING for YEARS to get TPS to react.

[Self-censoring].

I’ve previously given TPS a lot of benefit of the doubt, not doing so any longer.

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[cnmccarthy]

Face it - if you're white, middle-class, straight, have relatives and/or friends who will raise the alarm, TPS and other forces across the country will care. If you're anything else - indigenous or poor or black or mentally ill or engaged in "risky" behaviour (which could be anything from being a sex worker to substance abus ) - good luck. There's a reason for the MMIWG.

Yes. I feel like this is the way it is in US too. Makes me think of the girl in her twenties on the spectrum or who had some type of mental defect who went missing with her brother (cousin?) who was under three years old. They were black and their thread here is bare and there seems to have been very little done to find these two. To me they would be considered AT RISK because of the nature of their disappearance and the age/mental state of both. Yet (and no offense to her, her disappearance is very sad too and deserves looking into and her family deserves closure) Maura Murray is still being debated and discussed despite the fact she ran away from a crash scene, refused help from multiple people, and was intoxicated. Predators prey on the weak and while I agree young pretty white women are very likely to be abducted or sexually assaulted or murdered, people from minority groups, runaway teens, LGBT, and sex workers are just as likely to have something like this happen and they are just as important. I feel sad and angry at the possibility that these latest two might have been prevented if TPS had done their jobs to the best of their ability. #endrant

 

[tarabull]

Just want to point out, Andrew's thread has the most pages with 55 & you know the rest of the equation.

 

[tarabull]

EAST
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...32-Toronto-25-August-2003&highlight=Cassandra
Cassandra Do, Transgender, August 2003 The Village, FOUND DECEASED
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...to-ON-neighborhood-2010-2012&highlight=Skanda
Skandaraj Navaratanam September, 2010 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...8-Dec-2010&highlight=Abdulbasir+(Basir)+Faizi
Abdulbasir (Basir) Faizi December, 2010 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...4-Oct-2012&highlight=Abdulbasir+(Basir)+Faizi
Majeed (Hamid)Kayhan October, 2012 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...33-Toronto-Ont-May-2014&highlight=Aman+Abdela
Aman Abdela, 33, Toronto, Ont, May 2014 Sherbourne/Wellesley
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?251973-Canada-Stephen-Perkovic-37-Toronto-Ont-26-July-2014
Stephen Perkovic, 37, Toronto July 2014 Church/Maitland
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Toronto-14-April-2017&p=13879873#post13879873
Selim Esen April 2017 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ght=Frank+Wang
Zhu 'Frank' Wang, 25, Toronto, May 19, 2017 Yonge/Gerrard
Jeffrey Howard, June 2, 2017 Victoria/Shuter
Mohammad Eldardiry, June 12, 2017 Queen/Jarvis
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Andrew-Kinsman-49-Toronto-26-June-2017/page35
Andrew Kinsman, June 26, 2017 The Village
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...=Alloura+Wells
Alloura Wells, Transgender, Toronto, July 2017 Rosedale, FOUND DECEASED
Chase Kinkaid August 11 2017 Yonge/College
James Gare September 8, 2017 Shuter/Bond
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...da-George-Sekaloh-62-Toronto-28-November-2017
George Sekaloh November 28, 2017 Dundas/Sherbourne

WEST
Dragan Ilic March 13, 2017 Scarlett/East
Harrison Mantalas May 30, 2017 College/Spadina
Edward Edmond Harding June 1, 2017 Queen/Shaw, Do not approach
Jacques Vermeiren June 29, 2017 Queen/Ossington
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ada-David-Cronkwright-54-Toronto-25-July-2017
David Cronkwright July 25, 2017 Eglinton/Keele
Odean McFarlane August 10, 2017 Queen/Ossington, Do not approach
Alexander Man September 7, 2017 Queen/Ossington
Sayed Ahmed Abidy September 13, 2017 Queen/Ossington, Do not approach
Isaiah Silva Fonseca September 18, 2017 Queen/Jameson
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...onto-28-November-2017&p=13865144#post13865144
Zamil Ali November 2017 Bloor/Spadina

NORTH
Wayne Broadbend March 7, 2017 Victoria Park/Sheppard
John Stephenson May 31, 2017 Don Mills/McNicoll
Igor Vergovic August 14, 2017 Leslie/Sheppard
Sheldon Smith September 15, 2017 Don Mills/Sheppard
Jpaul Amar September 19, 2017 Jane/Finch

OTHER
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...hes-Jul-80&highlight=transgender+unidentified
Unidentified Transgender Remains July, 1980 Markham, FOUND DECEASED
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...Robert-Plewes-20-Toronto-Ontario-30-June-1984
Robert Plewes June 30, 1984 Toronto/Algonquin
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?340789-Canada-Norman-Whalley-36-amp-Grant-Ayerst-21-Toronto-11-Sept-1991&p=13441104&highlight=grant+AYERST#post1344110 4
Norman Whalley September 11, 1991 Toronto/Barrie
Grant Ayerst September 11, 1991 Toronto/Barrie
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...-Belleville-ON-24-Jan-94&highlight=belleville
David Ernest Rowbotham January 24, 1995 Bellville, Ontario
John Stanley Grabluk November 15, 1997 Scarborough
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ntario-26-March-2008&highlight=Calvin+Vanness
Calvin Vaness March 26, 2008 Bellville, Ontario
Osman Choudhury March 6 2017 from Toronto/Milton
Balwant Grewal April 21, 2017 Mississauga
Murray Mulvina May 17, 2017 Scarborough
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/s...ce-Hall-25-4-August-2017&highlight=Bryce+Hall
Bryce Hall August 4, 2017 Windsor
Rajesh Persaud September 16, 2017 Scarborough
Aaron Giardino September 20, 2017 Mississauga
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?351602-Canada-Eugene-Kim-38-Markham-Ont-2-Oct-2017
Eugene Kim Oct 2017 Markham/Algonquin

FOUND
Aron Seal December 10, 2016 Church/Lombard
Daniel Pressello June 5, 2017 George/Gerrard
Matthew Rivera August 2017 Havlock
Troy Mussington August 30, 2017 Jarvis/Gerrard
Eric Ram September 27 2017 Yonge/Gerrard
Francis Doyle October 25, 2017 Jarvis/Gerrard
Jordan Russell Jan 2018 Queen/Ossington

:bump: I added some thread links :blushing:

 

[Satchie]

I understand why people might feel angry, but I'll wait to find out what lead police to McArthur before I make judgements about whether he could have been caught earlier. Solving crimes isn't a matter of caring and trying hard, it depends on mistakes the perp made, or clues left by the victim. The British have spent £11 million and 10 years trying to find out what happened to Madeleine McCann, without success.

 

[Sillybilly]

This post lands at random.

Please be aware that Websleuths Terms of Service apply to the private messaging system as well as on the board.

Members are here to discuss the various cases, not to chastise, lecture, harass other members, or to try to impose their personal beliefs on others, whether on the main forum or through private messaging.

If you receive a PM that you think constitutes harassment, please forward the message to Mods or Admin and we will review it and take appropriate action.

Thanks.

 

[sylvic]

We may not be able to discuss BM's room mate... or does this article change anything?

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article...bruce-mcarthur-the-alleged-gay-village-killer
January 25 2018

Wow, thanks for sharing.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

We may not be able to discuss BM's room mate... or does this article change anything?

https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article...bruce-mcarthur-the-alleged-gay-village-killer
January 25 2018

SillyBilly, or any admin ... could you please tell us whether BM’s “roommate” can now be discussed as a result of this article? Please let us know the rules.

Thank you so much dotr ... you are always on top of everything. [emoji4]


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[Tricia]

SillyBilly, or any admin ... could you please tell us whether BM’s “roommate” can now be discussed as a result of this article? Please let us know the rules.

Thank you so much dotr ... you are always on top of everything. [emoji4]



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Hi Everyone,

I'm reading the article now and will get back with you.

Tricia

 

[Tricia]

Sorry everyone but when you say "roommate" are you talking about the accused killer's son?

If that is the case then yes you can as long as you do not accuse him of being an accomplice to his father since there is no proof of that.

It is an interesting look at what happens to a child when they have a parent who is an accused killer.

Todd McArthur has something called[FONT=Founders Grotesk, Helvetica Neue, Calibri, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]telephone scatalogia,” according to [/FONT]The Record. The disorder is characterized by an intense urge to make obscene phone calls."

Has anyone else ever heard of this disorder?

 

[matou]

Sorry everyone but when you say "roommate" are you talking about the accused killer's son?

Yes. JMO

 

[cybervampira]

Todd McArthur has something called[FONT=Founders Grotesk, Helvetica Neue, Calibri, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif], "[/FONT][FONT=&quot]telephone scatalogia,” according to [/FONT]The Record. The disorder is characterized by an intense urge to make obscene phone calls."

Has anyone else ever heard of this disorder?

Never heard of it, found this interesting read:
https://drmarkgriffiths.wordpress.com/tag/telephone-scatalogia/

 

[Grey-St]

Thank you for clarifying, Tricia! :loveyou:

 

[Grey-St]

[FONT=&amp]Catherine McDonald‏Verified account @cmcdonaldglobal 3h3 hours ago
[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]A very busy day for @TPSHomicide Detectives. At the Leaside home on Mallory Cres where suspected serial killer Bruce McArthur landscaped & house sat when the couple was away, a giant military tent is now covering the backyard & equipment has been brought in @globalnewsto
[/FONT]

 

[Jasper52]

[FONT=&]Catherine McDonald‏Verified account @cmcdonaldglobal 3h3 hours ago
[/FONT]
[FONT=&]A very busy day for @TPSHomicide Detectives. At the Leaside home on Mallory Cres where suspected serial killer Bruce McArthur landscaped & house sat when the couple was away, a giant military tent is now covering the backyard & equipment has been brought in @globalnewsto
[/FONT]

Wow. Digging up property? If so, they've found something and have a good reason to do so. jmo

 

[matou]

[FONT=&amp]Catherine McDonald‏Verified account @cmcdonaldglobal 3h3 hours ago
[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]A very busy day for @TPSHomicide Detectives. At the Leaside home on Mallory Cres where suspected serial killer Bruce McArthur landscaped & house sat when the couple was away, a giant military tent is now covering the backyard & equipment has been brought in @globalnewsto
[/FONT]

here are the photos from the scene:

 

[dotr]

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...gay-village-led-double-lives-friends-say.html

[h=1]Missing men from Toronto’s Gay Village led ‘double lives,’ friends say[/h]

When Abdulbasir Faizi and Majeed Kayhan vanished without a trace from Toronto’s Gay Village more than six years ago, it may have taken a while for people to realize the men were missing because they were living double lives, friends say.

“Every now and then, I wouldn’t see (Kayhan) for a couple of weeks or a month,” said Billy Gentile, a former bartender at the now-closed Bar 501 on Church St.

“He was in and out of the community. He would come and be around for a while, and then he would disappear for time on end,” and go back to his family.

People who knew Kayhan said he would live in his partner’s unit at the City Park Co-Operative on Church St. when he was in the Village.
Kayhan’s partner also had not come out to his family, Gentile said. Kayhan’s life at home with a wife and kids was not something he talked about.

“He did have substance abuse problems. He drank, and he would get agitated and sometimes violent,” Gentile said.

Gentile said Kayhan was active in the Church and Wellesley area since at least the mid-1990s.

They held his apartment for a year thinking he (Kayhan) might have went away or something, but it turned out he went missing instead,” said Freddy Day, who lived in the same building and described Kayhan as friendly and outgoing. “I think the community is somewhat relieved knowing this has finally come to a head, and the thing that disturbed me is that they can’t find the bodies for the sake of the families,” he said.

Harry Singh, former owner of the Zipperz, said all three missing men and McArthur were regulars at his bar.

Bar-goers used to call McArthur by his nickname “Santa,” Singh said.

“I felt like somebody was targeting my clientele because (all) of them used to come to the bar,” Singh said. “He (Kayhan) used to sing Indian songs to me. They (Kayhan and Faizi) were very quiet, reserved.”