AR AR - Whitehall Motel in El Dorado, WhtFem, 81UFAR, 18-21, Jul'91 - #2 - Kelly from VA

[sunnynz]

Very easy to enter her

Re entering her into Namus, do we need to get the local LE on board to do this? They're not responding to my emails re Helen Darlene so I'm not sure where to go from here? Thanks

 

[Roselvr]

Re entering her into Namus, do we need to get the local LE on board to do this? They're not responding to my emails re Helen Darlene so I'm not sure where to go from here? Thanks

Enter her, let NamUs deal with them

 

[newfiedee]

Just for those who still believe that Jackie Leslie is Or could be Eldorado Jane Doe. I was convinced to I was the one who submitted the match . I've talked to Todd Matthews of Namus she's in codis so is Jane Doe .They would have matched utomatically

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[Roselvr]

whoa! Someone should show that to Carl !

Do you mean this?

Roselvr have you shown your friend Paula a pic of EDJD? I saw this pic she posted recently on her page and thought there was maybe some resemblance. I started looking back through her shots but only got as far back as May 2016 (there are a lot), will keep looking unless someone has already gone through this process?
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[Alleykins]

Just for those who still believe that Jackie Leslie is Or could be Eldorado Jane Doe. I was convinced to I was the one who submitted the match . I've talked to Todd Matthews of Namus she's in codis so is Jane Doe .They would have matched utomatically
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Thanks for sharing that.

 

[sloane7777]

this one this pic 100% this looks like its her even the facial movements !!! sorry I'm slow!!!!

 

[sloane7777]

Do you mean this?

yes I mean YES RL!!!!!! where is that pic from ....that's her !!!!!

 

[sloane7777]

OK YOU GUYS! I know we have all gone thru this but please SOMEONE talk me down I was looking on a way to find the Dallas paupers Cemetery just to do some research and low and behold I find a young unidentified female buried there in 1973 http://freepages.history.rootsweb.a...emeteries/citypaupercem/citypauperscemal.html

and on the TX DPS site and DOE NETWORK There are no unidentifieds found in Dallas County UNTIL 1987!!!!! WHERE ARE THE RECORDS ???? It makes you wonder how Many have been overlooked and literally how many murders people really have gotten away with .....sigh.

 

[sunnynz]

yes I mean YES RL!!!!!! where is that pic from ....that's her !!!!!

Are you serious?! That is huge coming from you Sloane.

I found it on Roselvr's friend Paula's photography facebook page. Comments on the photo and another one of her from the same page indicate she was maybe a dancer at the Black Garter club in Staten Island - I don't know what year it's from or anything. Roselvr, would you message Paula to ask if she knows any more about this woman? I am happy to do it if you don't have time, just thought I'd check with you first since she's your friend.

 

[sunnynz]

Are you serious?! That is huge coming from you Sloane.

I found it on Roselvr's friend Paula's photography facebook page. Comments on the photo and another one of her from the same page indicate she was maybe a dancer at the Black Garter club in Staten Island - I don't know what year it's from or anything. Roselvr, would you message Paula to ask if she knows any more about this woman? I am happy to do it if you don't have time, just thought I'd check with you first since she's your friend.

This is the other pic I found of her - I had to crop it right in as the rest of it is kind of NSFW.

 

[Roselvr]

Are you serious?! That is huge coming from you Sloane.

I found it on Roselvr's friend Paula's photography facebook page. Comments on the photo and another one of her from the same page indicate she was maybe a dancer at the Black Garter club in Staten Island - I don't know what year it's from or anything. Roselvr, would you message Paula to ask if she knows any more about this woman? I am happy to do it if you don't have time, just thought I'd check with you first since she's your friend.

I'm not sure if it is her or not, I'd have to do some research to figure out when the pics were taken. I was there that day, I was also in tattoo mag, but Paula hasn't uploaded my pic in the album. I was wearing a leather bustier that I made, I got into sewing leather while dating one guy when my son was 3 or 4 so the pics were taken between 88/ 90.

The issue is actually the one with Paula's profile pic, that tat of her back which was done by my very good friend who is more like a sister to me. She looks like buckskin girl lol

yes I mean YES RL!!!!!! where is that pic from ....that's her !!!!!

From my friend's FB page - Photography by Pulsating Paula; in the album Black Garter Saloon. This is how we started talking about Paula

Post #706

Pulling out a few more key items; topics for thought and discussion

** JM tends to point the finger at Tyrone for all the bad things they did, just an observation seems as thou this is a diffuse and deflect tactic to shift blame. Another observation is the fact he throws off anyone whom calls about EDJD as someone looking for a reward is this also a tactic to keep others off of the case. Once she is identified he no longer has a cow to cash in own.






JD - Dallas - Left JD for Tyrone


*A little confused, are their 2 people a JD and a JJ and somehow the initials were mixed up

Tyrone - Florida - Left Tyrone for JM)




Gail - ? - Gail is connected to Tyrone




JM - Dallas/Florida/Shreveport, Louisiana/Arkansas


Children








JM Letters - 12/20/15
*20 years he has wondered what happened to her children. They were left with someone in Ft Worth, TX.
(JM did not know whom they were left with, See letter 12/23/15)
*Tried FB when he got of prison but nothing there
(Was he searching by their names or some other random search)
*He already knew who they were (EDJD family) from what Mercedes had told him about there location names etc..
*I believe they wanted to be sure it was her b/c it has been so long since they had seen her.
(Her sister and mother supposedly visited them not too long before she passed, he and they had only been together a year and he had met them.
*Her family convicted me a long time ago


JM Letters - 12/23/15
*We left the kids in Ft Worth with every intention of going back
(1st the kids were left with someone that to me sounded as if JM did not know whom it was from his 1st letter. This letter states "we" left them in FW contradicting).
*I've been convicted by her family (Again) one would think the person convicted by family was EDJD however JM tends to repeat her family convicted him.
(IMO there something here that is bothersome b/c the family convicted him therefore he would do whatever he could to separate EDJD from them.

JM Letters - 1/1/15
*She was running with Tyrone

JM Letters - 1/26/16
*JM can't completely remember her name; it could be Helen or Julie
*EDJD showed JM an issue of Outlaw Biker from 1989 w/EDJD topless w/a biker gang
*Places where she may have stated her real name; Dallas - Life Foundation (Mar 1991), Shreveport Human Services (Mar 1991), Trailways Bus Ticket (Jun 1991).
(Interesting that EDJD purchased a bus ticket in Jun right before her passing assume this was the proof of the true intent to leave JM. This may have been found out by JM and was the reason for EDJD fatal ending.)
*Tyrone's last name was only mentioned in passing and I don't want to guess an be incorrect.

JM Letters Jan-16
*Gives the name Helen Stenner to a cell mate
*JM and EDJD were only together a little over a year (May,Apr 1990 - Jul 1991)

Really wonder what issue she was in and where she was. Wonder if she was at bike week or on the east coast. My friend Paula took pics for the mags, she's been putting a lot of the pics online

Outlaw Biker from 1989

Post # 709

Working timelines, Roselvr you brought up a very good point it could have been bike week.


• EDJD had been on the streets since she was 16 - EDJD had to have gone to school prior to being on the streets she would have been recognizable as being much taller than her classmates.

Virginia – Norfolk/Virginia Beach – (Late 1980’s)
• Menu – The Raven; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Worrell Bros; Virginia Beach
• Menu – The Trolley; Virginia Beach
• Menu – Metropol Market; Norfolk
• Menu – Phillips Waterside; Norfolk

1989 – Outlaw Biker Magazine - Showed photo of her in Outlaw Biker Mag

Arkansas – Little Rock – (1990)
• EDJD told friend her name was Kelly Carr runaway from Florida
• Possibly acquired the ID of Cheryl Wick while working as an exotic dancer. Prime Time now called Paper Moon.

Aug 16-17, 1990 – Staying with Gail, wanted to get to Texas to work mentions being in love. Tyrone gave Gail $ 100 and could not get the VW Volkswagen to work she was ready to get to Texas and get to work. (Possibly in Arkansas?)

Texas – Dallas/Irving – (1990-1991)
•(Mid – Late 1990) Stayed with the S family for a brief time, is the S’s connected to Tyrone and Gail or JM? * Jun – Dec 1990
•Told the S’s she was a runaway from Louisiana that recently moved from Minnesota she gave her name as Cheryl Wick
•Worked at KFC used the name Cheryl Wick (Was EDJD living with the S's while working here?
•Menu - Hooters
•(Mar, Apr, May 1990) - Met JM in Dallas, 1990

•(Dec 31, 1990 / Dec 19, 1990) – Arrested for prostitution, Cheryl Ann Wick –
La Casita Motel – 4300 Harry Hines Blvd. Dallas, TX. 75219
Served 13 days in jail; was given 20 days good time
•(Jan 26, 1991) – Arrested in Dallas gave associated name Catherine Marie w/ DOB 1/31/1970
•(Feb 8, 1991) - Arrested for public lewdness, Cheryl Ann Wick
Carousel Motel - 3211 Forest Ln. Garland, TX 75042
•(Mar 1991) – Life Homeless Shelter

Louisiana – Shreveport – (Mar 1991)
•(Mar 1991) - Visited Human Services - mental health, addictive disorder, and developmental disability services. (What was the reason for the stop and stay?)

Arkansas – El Dorado – (Mar 1991 – Jul 1991)
•(Mar 1991) – Salvation Army, told volunteer a child had been taken away from her by social services at the time she used another name and could not get the child back
•Received medical attention at the hospital for abuse
•(May 1991) - Arrested bad checks under Cheryl Ann Wick
•(Jun 1991) - Purchased Trailways Bus ticket - Where was she going?
•(Jun 1991) - Moved in with friend AC
•Told AC her mom was raising her (2) kids; (1) girl the other unknown
•Told AC she had previously been a stripper
•Told persons she had been to Virginia Beach
•Frequented the video store across the street from the motel
•DM stated they had been in FL, didn’t think EDJD had much of an accent.
•Detective located a letter to the FBI stating her name given was Kelly Lee Carr (24) and was wanted in Virginia and along the east coast for bank robberies.
•(Jul 10, 1991) - Final day on earth

Florida
•JM said he met EDJD mother and sister they lived in Florida
•EDJD told friend in Little Rock she was a run away from Florida
•JM told DM that they had been in Florida
•Detectives believe EDJD’s pimp was Tyrone in Florida

Oklahoma
•Once told JM she was from Oklahoma

I wonder if it was really 1987 or 88 for the mag. If she was at bike week, Paula may have pics on her page. Someone can PM her with EDJD's photo to ask her if she recalls taking pics of her in the late 80's. You can give her the names she used too. She may and she may not.

Here are some of her albums, this one is on her FB profile Vintage Daytona Photos by Pulsating Paula. She has tons of albums on her profile, I believe most are public.

Paula's Daytona album
Early 80's Harley Rendezvous Pattersonville, NY 3 day event
AM-JAM Classic Photos

 

[Roselvr]

Here is the cover January 1991 - Topless Tats at the Go-Go Rama. I don't see that I have a copy of the Black Garter on my FB, will look on my hard drive to see if I scanned the pages so I can see what date it was

 

[BayouGypsy]

I was looking through the pics in the "Black Garter Saloon" album and I found a picture of someone who IMO looks more like EDJD. If it's against the rules that I post it, please delete.

 

[BayouGypsy]

Never mind. After looking through photos again, I think she's probably too short....Ugh. Back to the drawing board.....

 

[sunnynz]

Here is the cover January 1991 - Topless Tats at the Go-Go Rama. I don't see that I have a copy of the Black Garter on my FB, will look on my hard drive to see if I scanned the pages so I can see what date it was

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Do you think 91 might be too late for it to be EDJD then? Amazing that you were part of that scene, there are some incredible photos on that facebook page!

 

[sloane7777]

Are you serious?! That is huge coming from you Sloane.

I found it on Roselvr's friend Paula's photography facebook page. Comments on the photo and another one of her from the same page indicate she was maybe a dancer at the Black Garter club in Staten Island - I don't know what year it's from or anything. Roselvr, would you message Paula to ask if she knows any more about this woman? I am happy to do it if you don't have time, just thought I'd check with you first since she's your friend.

THE THING THAT STANDS OUT FOR ME IS THE HAIR LENGTH IS SHORTER!!!! and its "that style"

 

[BayouGypsy]

Sorry ya'll. After a little FB sleuthing, the girl whose picture i posted could not be our girl. She died in a motorcycle accident.

 

[sloane7777]

I'm pretty sure it was around 89 , that hairstyle left in the mid to late 80's unless you didn't keep up lol!

 

[sloane7777]

Roselvr have you shown your friend Paula a pic of EDJD? I saw this pic she posted recently on her page and thought there was maybe some resemblance. I started looking back through her shots but only got as far back as May 2016 (there are a lot), will keep looking unless someone has already gone through this process?

Sunny where did this come from??????

 

[sunnynz]

Sunny where did this come from??????

this album has a few pics of her (warning, some are fairly risque) https://www.facebook.com/pg/PhotographyByPulsatingPaula/photos/?tab=album&album_id=692113307576989