Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 *AL extortion trial* *Guilty* #3

[Mica]

Anyone hear of any next court dates for JVS?

TIA!

Van det Sloot requested a delay …


A judge has granted a motion to delay the trial date in the case against Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national accused in the alleged extortion of the mother of Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

Van der Sloot’s attorney, federal public defender Kevin Butler, filed the unopposed motion Monday asking for a delay to allow “the reasonable time necessary for effective preparation of trial,” according to court documents.

US Magistrate Judge Gray Borden granted the extension request not to go past October 2. A trial date is expected to be set later, the court order stated.

Natalee Holloway disappearance: Judge grants request to delay trial in extortion case against Joran van der Sloot | CNN

A judge has granted a motion to delay the trial date in the case against Joran van der Sloot, a Dutch national accused in the alleged extortion of the mother of Natalee Holloway, the American teenager who disappeared during a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.

amp.cnn.com

 

[Mica]

The deadline for pretrial motions is extended to September 11, 2023, with any response due no later than September 18, 2023.

https://storage.googleapis.com/www-courttv-uploads/2023/06/0c2f4e2b-us_v_van_der_sloot_motion_granted.pdf

 

[Niner]

Thanks @Mica for that 2nd article! Had the first one!

 

[mickey2942]

@Seattle1 I think he could state going back to Peru would be "cruel and unusual punishment".

 

[SteveS]

I think he could state going back to Peru would be "cruel and unusual punishment".

He could state anything he wants, but that doesn't mean anyone would listen. Or that it would even be in his best interest to try to peddle such nonsense.

US courts dispose of frivolous matters (like this would be) quickly, with little muss and fuss, and they are very impatient with those who waste their time - they can penalize both the one who is making them respond, as well as the lawyer, for wasting their time.

Factually, US courts don't have the jurisdiction to oversee courts in foreign countries and what they do with non-US citizens. His temporary presence in the US on a different matter doesn't alter any of that. The US's 8th Amendment applies to what happens in US courts, and the punishment those courts impose, and what happens in Peru isn't under its mandates.

If he doesn't like Peruvian justice, he shouldn't have casually killed a young girl there on a whim. It's all on him, and no one else. He's on loan to the US to try him for what is applicable here, and then he will be sent back to finish out his sentence there, before being returned to serve any sentence here. I think (and certainly hope) he never sees freedom on the outside again in this lifetime, because this little wuss is a danger to women everywhere.

 

[NuttMegg]

@Seattle1 I think he could state going back to Peru would be "cruel and unusual punishment".

Well, that's where he committed murder, I don't know much about it, but I don't see the USA overriding that sentence of another country (?)

Anyway I am sticking with his wanting to go back. Family, and familiarity with the 3rd world system there, in a way much more free although incarcerated. jmo on all of that.

On a lighter note, I'm sure some might still lean towards this, apparently now prohibited re that wiki.

In Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1878), the Supreme Court commented that drawing and quartering, public dissection, burning alive, or disembowelment constituted cruel and unusual punishment.[43

 

[NuttMegg]

SBM

In Wilkerson v. Utah, 99 U.S. 130 (1878), the Supreme Court commented that drawing and quartering, public dissection, burning alive, or disembowelment constituted cruel and unusual punishment.[43

Can you guys believe that only about 170 years ago these practices made it on to the slate of SCOTUS? That it had to be adjudicated, that some states (37 total then) and/or territories apparently condoned this. That's about when my fore-family was coming from central Europe on a ship. Really not that long ago.

 

[Seattle1]

Well, that's where he committed murder, I don't know much about it, but I don't see the USA overriding that sentence of another country (?)

^^rsbm

I agree! And as to cruel and unusual punishment, then all of the convicted inmates in Peru are being subject to such unconstitutional treatment. To be clear, the US and its Constitution have no authority over another country that incidentally allows its inmates conjugal visits twice a week. Just ask JV and his wife(s). MOO

Conjugal visits are allowed in Peruvian prisons if a couple are registered as common-law partners. Now it appears the couple are set to officially tie the knot in the next couple of days.

Joran Van Der Sloot to marry pregnant girlfriend in Peruvian prison

Leidy Figueroa is planning to wed Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is currently serving 28 years in jail for the murder of local college student Stephany Flores in 2010.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[NuttMegg]

^^rsbm

I agree! And as to cruel and unusual punishment, then all of the convicted inmates in Peru are being subject to such unconstitutional treatment. To be clear, the US and its Constitution have no authority over another country that incidentally allows its inmates conjugal visits twice a week. Just ask JV and his wife(s). MOO

Conjugal visits are allowed in Peruvian prisons if a couple are registered as common-law partners. Now it appears the couple are set to officially tie the knot in the next couple of days.

Joran Van Der Sloot to marry pregnant girlfriend in Peruvian prison

Leidy Figueroa is planning to wed Dutchman Joran van der Sloot, who is currently serving 28 years in jail for the murder of local college student Stephany Flores in 2010.

www.dailymail.co.uk

In one of our links iirc he was bringing in $400 per month from the unrequited lonely hearts gals, that buys about 3-4 times more than here. He can buy his private room, protection from the gangs, etc. And 2 conjugal visits per week ain't bad.

 

[Niner]

Found an article with his next court date - just the month - no day.

Natalee Holloway Suspect Joran van der Sloot's Life in Alabama Jail Is 'Piece of Cake': Source (Exclusive)

The notorious killer, who is faces fraud charges in relation to the Natalee Holloway disappearance, is adjusting to an American jail.

themessenger.com

July 12, 2023
[.....]
According to court records, van der Sloot's next hearing will be in October. Until then, he'll remain jailed in Alabama.



I shall put him in October - and if anyone sees the actual date - please post!
TIA!

 

[AmandaSkis]

I hate the thought of this evil creature being in my country. The best sentence for him would be NO attention, NO notoriety. Just ignore him while he rots in a Peruvian jail.

And the last information I read, said that he had been transferred to a county jail. Not a prison. A jail. He is evil, and he is sitting in a jail.

I know that Beth wants some sort of justice but I do believe he’s “safer” in a US jail than a Peruvian jail, living a better life. And every single delay he can find, you better believe he is going to use it.

 

[AmandaSkis]

Double post

 

[Dhighsmith]

Beth Holloway is not the murderer in Peru. This evil monster is the murderer. He would have continued to murder if he was not caught in Peru. JMO

You’re absolutely right, I’m always perplexed by critics of Beth for demanding her daughter be returned. From my experience, a Mother is bound to protect and care for their child and will viciously fight whoever and whatever comes between them. The Mother of JVS, from the limited information, also attempted to care and protect her son, aware while still in high school of risk for violence due to mental illness, requesting treatment. JMO, I believe she was prevented from taking action that was desperately needed by her husband who seems to have been an enabler of JVS’s behavior, if not his accomplice by eliminating any evidence of JVS’s criminal activity. JVS was treated for mental disorder and moved into the guesthouse as a solution to fear of violence against family when he should have been moved to treatment facility. After his Father’s death, when plans were arranged for a facility, JVS was determined not to go. So, whether or not he received the cash, his plan was to avoid the mental health facility, the cash simply allowed for larger budget. The person responsible for the two lives taken from this earth and the devastation of families is JVS.

 

[Niner]

Van der Sloot expects never to be released, secret negotiations with lawyers to get lighter sentence

Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.

nltimes.nl

Aug. 5, 2023
Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.


De Telegraaf spoke to Van der Sloot via a video link from the prison in the U.S. state of Alabama, where the 35-year-old Dutchman has been detained since June.
[.....]
Citing sources, De Telegraaf reported that the Alabama judiciary is in secret negotiations with Van der Sloot's lawyers to reach a settlement in the Holloway case.
[.....]
The newspaper reported that if the deal goes through, the 35-year-old suspect will be given a lighter sentence in exchange for a confession. In addition, there will be no jury trial.

Part of the deal is that Van der Sloot undergoes a lie detector test. However, the results of such a test are not legal evidence but according to the Alabama prosecutor's office, they give an important indication of the truthfulness of Van der Sloot's possible confession, De Telegraaf wrote

 

[Niner]

Joran van der Sloot's Ex-Wife Is Changing Their Daughter's Name to Distance Her from Infamous Dad (Exclusive)

As Joran van der Sloot sits in an Alabama jail, his jilted ex-wife is seeking to change the name of their 9-year-old daughter.

themessenger.com

Aug. 5, 2023
Joran van der sloots
ex-wife hopes to distance herself — and their child — from the man she met while working at a Peruvian prison by taking steps to change her daughter's last name to protect her.

Leidy Figueroa married van der Sloot while he was serving a 28-year prison sentence in Peru. The couple were allowed conjugal visits, and she gave birth to a daughter, Dusha Trudie van der Sloot, in 2014.

But now, Figueroa wants nothing more to do with her ex-husband, who served her divorce papers last year.

 

[NuttMegg]

"Part of the deal is that Van der Sloot undergoes a lie detector test. However, the results of such a test are not legal evidence but according to the Alabama prosecutor's office, they give an important indication of the truthfulness of Van der Sloot's possible confession"
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Hard to understand that his pd would let him take a poly before being offered/accepting a plea deal.

 

[Warwick7]

Van der Sloot expects never to be released, secret negotiations with lawyers to get lighter sentence

Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.

nltimes.nl

Aug. 5, 2023
Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.


De Telegraaf spoke to Van der Sloot via a video link from the prison in the U.S. state of Alabama, where the 35-year-old Dutchman has been detained since June.
[.....]
Citing sources, De Telegraaf reported that the Alabama judiciary is in secret negotiations with Van der Sloot's lawyers to reach a settlement in the Holloway case.
[.....]
The newspaper reported that if the deal goes through, the 35-year-old suspect will be given a lighter sentence in exchange for a confession. In addition, there will be no jury trial.

Part of the deal is that Van der Sloot undergoes a lie detector test. However, the results of such a test are not legal evidence but according to the Alabama prosecutor's office, they give an important indication of the truthfulness of Van der Sloot's possible confession, De Telegraaf wrote

BBM
Truth!!

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Van der Sloot expects never to be released, secret negotiations with lawyers to get lighter sentence

Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.

nltimes.nl

Aug. 5, 2023
Joran van der Sloot does not expect that he will ever be released, he told De Telegraaf in an interview on Saturday. "To be honest, I expect never to be released. I don't have anybody to blame but myself," the Dutch main suspect in the case of missing American Natalee Holloway said.


De Telegraaf spoke to Van der Sloot via a video link from the prison in the U.S. state of Alabama, where the 35-year-old Dutchman has been detained since June.
[.....]
Citing sources, De Telegraaf reported that the Alabama judiciary is in secret negotiations with Van der Sloot's lawyers to reach a settlement in the Holloway case.
[.....]
The newspaper reported that if the deal goes through, the 35-year-old suspect will be given a lighter sentence in exchange for a confession. In addition, there will be no jury trial.

Part of the deal is that Van der Sloot undergoes a lie detector test. However, the results of such a test are not legal evidence but according to the Alabama prosecutor's office, they give an important indication of the truthfulness of Van der Sloot's possible confession, De Telegraaf wrote

Also, he says he wants to go back to Peru:

The Dutchman himself said he hopes to return to Peru soon. "My lawyers are talking to the prosecution about how to proceed. I hope that all this will be resolved soon and that I can return to Peru. The conditions in Challapalca prison are not pleasant either, but I am not as isolated there as I am here, and at least I am a little closer to my young daughter Dushi and her mother Leidy," Van der Sloot said.

 

[NuttMegg]

Also, he says he wants to go back to Peru:

The Dutchman himself said he hopes to return to Peru soon. "My lawyers are talking to the prosecution about how to proceed. I hope that all this will be resolved soon and that I can return to Peru. The conditions in Challapalca prison are not pleasant either, but I am not as isolated there as I am here, and at least I am a little closer to my young daughter Dushi and her mother Leidy," Van der Sloot said.

He's in jail, not even in prison yet. (in USA). It makes 1000% sense to me that he wants to get back down there. Some of those prisons don't even have on-site police staff, the prisoner gangs run the facilities. (see videos I posted here recently.) He can buy his own private room, the one he had in the video looks like a typical low rent hostal on the infamous gringo trail. He's big, and that imparts power, as most Peruvians are much shorter. Speaks several languages. As we mentioned up thread, he already had women sending him money, I doubt anyone in Peru will have that advantage, and he'll get even more after this recent publicity. (IMO). I understand perfectly why he wants to go back, he has a life down there despite what it might seem to us, up here. Wheeling and dealing, possibly able to see his daughter, possibly a new wife with 2 conjugal visits a week even if not married, per reports above. None of the above would be available in prison in the USA, except he could receive donations like Watts, and visitors but no hanky panky. But so what, there's only so much to buy in the commissary.

Even if his first wife changes the name of the child, IMO he might be able to purchase visitation events, or maybe donate money to her school, or for her upbringing.

 

[lonetraveler]

According to Tim Miller from TES, a metal and wire fish trap had been stolen from a fisherman’s hut on the beach the night Natalee disappeared. This is an example of what I recall the trap looked like….

I wonder if maybe they could have used the trap as an anchor to keep a body down