Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 *AL extortion trial* *Guilty* #3

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This is what Joran van der Sloot’s father told several involved….and this is also what the police and prosecutor said “no body, no murder” (see article below) —— well…that is just not so….stay tuned..be patient

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This is what Joran van der Sloot’s father told several involved….and this is also what the police and prosecutor said “no body, no murder” (see article below) —— well…that is just not so….stay tuned..be patient

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I love Greta, miss her TV show.
 
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This is what Joran van der Sloot’s father told several involved….and this is also what the police and prosecutor said “no body, no murder” (see article below) —— well…that is just not so….stay tuned..be patient

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Not a fan of Joran's father.
Just saying.
Justice for the victims this JVS left in his wake.
I wonder if there are more, than the two that we know of ?
My opinion.
 
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Not a fan of Joran's father.
Just saying.
Justice for the victims this JVS left in his wake.
I wonder if there are more, than the two that we know of ?
My opinion.
His father has been dead for a very long time.

This media person is going to try to milk this case all she can, imo, but there is no way a fraud case in the usa will be turned into a "murder" case in another country. Which was never even alleged by LE to be a murder case, no matter how much we stay tuned.

I predict that Joran will take a plea deal, and that a block of years in a usa prison means little to him given what he still faces in Peru. He's 35 or so now, has some 20 or more years to go in Peru, a dangerous place for such a block of time. A dangerous place, but familiar. So, what difference would it make to him, imo, if when he gets out at (read lives thru to) 55-60. And then faces not the 40 years in the USA which would be the max, til he is 100, or plea to 10 years which would theoretically let him free at 70. (years all estimated here, as the charges in Peru for additional crimes have been reported in varying amounts.)

As I said before, I think prison in the USA would be cleaner, more predictable and safer for him. But in Peru he has a pre-teen child, a new younger woman in his life, conjugal visits, and a thriving black market culture to exploit. In one of those Peruvian videos I posted about drug dealer prisons near Lima with many young Europeans serving time they are given just rice and potaoes, and are expected to wheel and deal for food and necessities. Ironically although in prison for drugs, they deal drugs within prison for food.

So I think he will just plea to 5-10 years tacked to the end, and that will also deny media people the opportunity to plant absurd theories which also, imo, exploit the Holloways.

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I absolutely agree Nuttmegg.

I've been following and archiving the case since the beginning. Natalee, then Stephany.
My Case Archive was in awesome order but photobucket a couple years ago had changes and therefore messed up my order.
But most of it is still there.

Case Archive of Natalee and Stephany:
Photobucket | Make your memories fun!

CLICK the circled i for descriptions.

I added another section for the extradition and what is to come of that:

AGAIN, CLICK the circled i for descriptions.
 
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I absolutely agree Nuttmegg.

I've been following and archiving the case since the beginning. Natalee, then Stephany.
My Case Archive was in awesome order but photobucket a couple years ago had changes and therefore messed up my order.
But most of it is still there.

Case Archive of Natalee and Stephany:
Photobucket | Make your memories fun!

CLICK the circled i for descriptions.

I added another section for the extradition and what is to come of that:

AGAIN, CLICK the circled i for descriptions.
I remember your work, thanks.
 
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They get white rice and potatoes.

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His father has been dead for a very long time.

This media person is going to try to milk this case all she can, imo, but there is no way a fraud case in the usa will be turned into a "murder" case in another country. Which was never even alleged by LE to be a murder case, no matter how much we stay tuned.

I predict that Joran will take a plea deal, and that a block of years in a usa prison means little to him given what he still faces in Peru. He's 35 or so now, has some 20 or more years to go in Peru, a dangerous place for such a block of time. A dangerous place, but familiar. So, what difference would it make to him, imo, if when he gets out at (read lives thru to) 55-60. And then faces not the 40 years in the USA which would be the max, til he is 100, or plea to 10 years which would theoretically let him free at 70. (years all estimated here, as the charges in Peru for additional crimes have been reported in varying amounts.)

As I said before, I think prison in the USA would be cleaner, more predictable and safer for him. But in Peru he has a pre-teen child, a new younger woman in his life, conjugal visits, and a thriving black market culture to exploit. In one of those Peruvian videos I posted about drug dealer prisons near Lima with many young Europeans serving time they are given just rice and potaoes, and are expected to wheel and deal for food and necessities. Ironically although in prison for drugs, they deal drugs within prison for food.

So I think he will just plea to 5-10 years tacked to the end, and that will also deny media people the opportunity to plant absurd theories which also, imo, exploit the Holloways.

imo
Emphasis mine.
Thanks, NuttMegges, I was aware that his father is deceased, I should have worded my post more clearly.
Way back years ago I'd wondered if Joran had been enabled by VS Sr. in any way ?

For instance : IF Natalee had passed from acute alcohol poisoning, say, why wouldn't Joran and the other two people call an ambulance ?
It's speculation at this point, but what if she was deeply passed out akin to a comatose state; but still alive, and someone panicked and disposed of her when she could have been saved ?

Regarding the bolded ; Are you referring to the Flores case or the Holloway case ?
As far as fraud, was that when JVS had promised the Holloways of Natalee's location in exchange for a monetary amount, then he reneged ?
I've followed this case for a long time but I'll prob. never catch up here, there's so much information and a lot to cover !
Thanks in advance.
 
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Emphasis mine.
Thanks, NuttMegges, I was aware that his father is deceased, I should have worded my post more clearly.
Way back years ago I'd wondered if Joran had been enabled by VS Sr. in any way ?

For instance : IF Natalee had passed from acute alcohol poisoning, say, why wouldn't Joran and the other two people call an ambulance ?
It's speculation at this point, but what if she was deeply passed out akin to a comatose state; but still alive, and someone panicked and disposed of her when she could have been saved ?

Regarding the bolded ; Are you referring to the Flores case or the Holloway case ?
As far as fraud, was that when JVS had promised the Holloways of Natalee's location in exchange for a monetary amount, then he reneged ?
I've followed this case for a long time but I'll prob. never catch up here, there's so much information and a lot to cover !
Thanks in advance
I was referring to the media person's tweet about someone in the usa being convicted of second deg murder without a body. And her hint that something like that could happen in Joran's fraud-extortion case. My point was that I think it absurd that she is suggesting that a person charged with fraud in the usa could somehow have his trial upended in some Perry Mason moment to convict him with murder, when even in the country in which NH vanished he was never accused of murder, nor was any murder by anyone of anyone ever alleged by LE.

About the rest, Deepak and Satish left Joran and NH on the beach. Obviously if she died or was incapacitated he should have helped. In one long interview he said he had to go to school the next day and that she refused to leave with him when Satish came to pick him up. Says she was sitting on the beach, alive, near some fishermen's huts. (Cuomo interview).

He was a teen used to picking up tourist girls, he said, from the age of 14 iirc.
 
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According to Joran's family and one psychiatrist in the Netherlands, he was mentally ill in 2010. His family had arranged to have him admitted to a psychiatric institution in the Netherlands in May 2010, where he would likely have spent the remainder of his life.

Two days before a broke and broken Joran was scheduled to fly to the NL for treatment, B. Holloway gave him thousands of dollars. Her goal was not to stop Joran from hurting anyone else, but to get him to the USA to prosecute him for a new crime based on her sting operation.

Thanks to that sting operation, the gambling addict was provided money for airfare to Peru for gambling, which in turn allowed him to avoid the psychiatric institution. Without that money from Beth's sting operation, there would have been no murder in Peru.

Joran was mentally ill in 2010 at the time of the sting operation, so IMHO thirteen years of harsh, violent prison life will have left him with permanent mental illness. I doubt any USA Judge will take his mental illness into consideration, but is he in a position to aid in his defence?

Given the extraordinarily harsh prison conditions in Peru, can a USA Judge in good conscience send Joran back there? Can Joran appeal that conditional extradition? Can the NL government appeal to have him extradited to the NL for any reason?
Beth Holloway is not the murderer in Peru. This evil monster is the murderer. He would have continued to murder if he was not caught in Peru. JMO
 
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This has been the Beth Holloway show since day 1, when she and 11 others of the Alabama posse went to Joran's house to confront him and his father. Without LE, and before LE even had a chance to complete survellience. (In my links, above). Those 3 boys she constantly and publicly accused of "gang rape" and "murder" had mothers too. Both mothers had to experience the joy of being dealt with by american media, and Mrs Holloway in a manner no mother should have to endure. I posted the articles just a few hours ago. Just cuz a kid is big at 17 does not mean he does not have a kid's brain. He was singled out and attacked by Holloway

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Imo
God help Aruba if it was my daughter. Natalee is the victim here. Period.
 
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This is true. We can choose to disbelieve Joran's family, his lawyers and everyone who speaks on his behalf, and instead believe Natalee's family and media who claim that Joran and two friends kidnapped, raped and murdered Natalee - even though there is no evidence.

I followed the story of Natalee closely in 2005, so the information about Joran entering a psychiatric institution in May 2010 is not new information for me. For those who only followed the information from Natalee's family, it is probably new information - meaning it's easier to dismiss it as an after-the-fact story intended to mitigate consequences.
There are quite a few of us who followed this case since day one.
 
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Beth Holloway is not the murderer in Peru. This evil monster is the murderer. He would have continued to murder if he was not caught in Peru. JMO
IF ... JVS did not harm or kill Natalee ; it still looked very bad when he killed (& I think JVS and no one else was responsible) Stephany Flores.
Her death gave me the vibes that she saw something on JVS' electronics that she wasn't supposed to see ?
Or asked the wrong questions about Natalee ?
But if that's not the case, why did Stephany have to die ?
It's as if she was silenced by someone who flew into a rage.
The brutal manner of Stephany's passing made it appear that JVS was not unaccustomed to using violence.
Idk, though.
My opinion.
 
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As far as fraud, was that when JVS had promised the Holloways of Natalee's location in exchange for a monetary amount, then he reneged ?
^^rsbm

Yes, confirming the 2010 Wire Fraud and Interference with Commerce charges resulted from requesting money in exchange for Natalee's location as outlined in the federal court docket below.

U.S. District Court​

Northern District of Alabama (Southern)​

CRIMINAL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 2:10-cr-00237-AMM-GMB-1​


Case title: USA v. Van Der Sloot

Magistrate judge case number:2:10-mj-00117-PWG
Date Filed: 06/30/2010

Assigned to: Judge Anna M Manasco
Referred to: Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden

Defendant (1)
Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot
also known as
Joran Van Der Sloot

Pending Counts
Disposition
18:1951(a)INTERFERENCE WITH COMMERCE BY THREAT OR VIOLENCE
(1)
18:1343 FRAUD BY WIRE, RADIO, OR TELEVISION
(2)


Date Filed#Docket Text
06/02/2010
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MOTION to Seal Case by USA as to Joran Van Der Sloot (CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/02/2010
ORDER granting 2 Motion to Seal Case as to Joran Van Der Sloot(1)signed by Magistrate Judge Paul W Greene on 6/2/10(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
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MOTION to Amend Complaint & MOTION to Seal Amended Complaint by USA as to Joran Van Der Sloot (CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
ORDER granting 3 Motion to Amend Complaint as to Joran Van Der Sloot (1); granting 3 Motion to Seal Amended Complaint as to Joran Van Der Sloot (1)signed by Magistrate Judge Paul W Greene on 6/3/10(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
Counts added: Joran Van Der Sloot (1) count(s) 2(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
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MOTION to Withdraw First Arrest Warrant regarding criminal complaint by USA as to Joran Van Der Sloot(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
ORDER granting 5 Motion to Withdraw First Arrest Warrant as to Joran Van Der Sloot (1)signed by Magistrate Judge Paul W Greene on 6/3/10(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
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MOTION to Unseal Amended Criminal Complaint & MOTION to keep Sealed the Affidavit attached to Amended Criminal Complaint by USA as to Joran Van Der Sloot(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
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ORDER granting 6 Motion to Unseal Amended Criminal Complaint as to Joran Van Der Sloot (1); granting 6 Motion to Seal Affidavit attached to Amended Criminal Complaint as to Joran Van Der Sloot (1)signed by Magistrate Judge Paul W Greene on 6/3/10, UNSEALING CASE(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
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UNSEALED AMENDED COMPLAINT as to Joran Van Der Sloot(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/03/2010
Case unsealed as to Joran Van Der Sloot (CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/03/2010)
06/10/2010
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Order to Unseal Document as to Joran Van Der Sloot that the afdt be removed from seal & certain redactions be made in the afdt as set out in this order signed by Magistrate Judge Paul W Greene on 6/10/10(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/10/2010)
06/10/2010
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UNSEALED REDACTED AFFIDAVIT TO AMENDED COMPLAINT by USA as to Joran Van Der Sloot(CJV) [2:10-mj-00117-PWG] (Entered: 06/10/2010)
06/30/2010
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INDICTMENT


Please file all subsequent documents using the criminal case number assigned to this indictment. as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1) count(s) 1, 2. (HBB, ) (Additional attachment(s) added on 7/2/2010: # 1 sealed signed indictment) (HBB, ). (Entered: 07/01/2010)
11/10/2014
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MOTION for waiver of filing fees by Deborah A Sletten-Van Der Sloot (Misc party) as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit)(HBB, ) (Entered: 11/14/2014)
11/10/2014
14
MOTION to Dismiss by Deborah A Sletten-Van Der Sloot (misc party) as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit) (HBB, ). # 2 Exhibit redacted) (HBB, ). Modified on 11/14/2014 See order 15 this motion is STRICKEN (HBB, ). (Entered: 11/14/2014)
11/14/2014
15
ORDER re: 13 Motion for waiver of filing fees as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1)is MOOT because there is no docket fee applicable to motions in a criminal case; 14 Motion to Dismiss as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1) is STRICKEN because Deborah A. Sletten-van der Sloot is not an attorney or member of the Bar of this court, she is not authorized to file matters in behalf of the defendant. (cm filer of motion). Signed by Magistrate Judge T Michael Putnam on 11/14/2014. (HBB, ) (Entered: 11/14/2014)
06/18/2019
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NOTICE OF REASSIGNMENT/REFERRAL: Case as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot Reassigned to Judge Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden. Judge US Magistrate Judge T Michael Putnam no longer assigned to the case. (SMH2, ) (Entered: 06/18/2019)
05/11/2023
17
NOTICE OF ATTORNEY APPEARANCE Lloyd C Peeples, III appearing for USA. (Peeples, Lloyd) (Entered: 05/11/2023)
05/11/2023
18
NOTICE OF ATTORNEY APPEARANCE Catherine L Crosby appearing for USA. (Crosby, Catherine) (Entered: 05/11/2023)
05/11/2023
19
MOTION to Substitute Attorney by USA as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Crosby, Catherine) (Entered: 05/11/2023)
05/11/2023
20​
TEXT ORDER GRANTING 19 Motion to Substitute Attorney as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1). Signed by Judge Karon O Bowdre on 5/11/2023. (JLC) (Entered: 05/11/2023)
05/12/2023
21
MOTION to Appoint Counsel by Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Butler, Kevin) (Entered: 05/12/2023)
05/15/2023
22​
TEXT ORDER granting 21 Motion to Appoint Counsel as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1): The Office of the Federal Public Defender is appointed to represent Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on 5/15/23. (MRR, ) (Entered: 05/15/2023)
05/15/2023
Minute Entry for proceedings held before Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden:Attorney Appointment as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot on 5/15/2023 (MRR, ) (Entered: 05/15/2023)
05/17/2023
23
ORDER OF RECUSAL in case as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot Judge Karon O Bowdre recused. The court DIRECTS the Clerk to reassign this case to another judge in accordance with the Clerk's normal procedure. Signed by Judge Karon O Bowdre on 5/17/2023. (KWC, ) (Entered: 05/17/2023)
05/17/2023
Case as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot Reassigned to Judge Judge Anna M Manasco. Judge Karon O Bowdre no longer assigned to the case. (KBB) (Entered: 05/17/2023)
06/08/2023
24​
TEXT ORDER as to dft Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot: Setting Arraignment for Friday, 6/9/2023, at 11:00 AM, in Courtroom 8 of the Hugo L Black US Courthouse, Birmingham, AL before Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on 6/8/2023. (KBB) (Entered: 06/08/2023)
06/08/2023
25
NOTICE OF ATTORNEY APPEARANCE: James Tobia Gibson appearing for Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (Gibson, James) (Entered: 06/08/2023)
06/09/2023
26
MOTION for Protective Order as to Sensitive Discovery Material by USA as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Attachments: # 1 Text of Proposed Order)(Crosby, Catherine) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
27
ORDER as to dft Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1) granting 26 Motion for Protective Order; That certain documents and information shall remain confidential as set out in this order. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on 6/9/2023. (KBB) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
Minute Entry for proceedings held before Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden: Initial Appearance, Attorney Appointment, & Arraignment as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot (1) Count 1,2 held on 6/9/2023: deft present & deemed eligible for court appointed counsel, FPD Kevin Butler present & appointed; AUSA Peeples; USPO Eubanks; deft elected to proceed without interpreter; rights & charges explained; Brady reminder for gov't; deft served, waived reading, not guilty plea entered; gov't request detention; court accepts deft's waiver of detention hearing; court advised deft of consular notification; deft remanded to custody of USM; adj (Court Reporter Teresa Roberson) (ASL) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
29​
TEXT ORDER as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. Based on the defendant's waiver in open court of his right to a detention hearing at this time, the court finds that the Government has shown that no condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure the safety of another person or the community and that no condition or combination of conditions will reasonably assure the defendant's presence as required if the defendant is released on bond pending trial. The defendant shall be detained pending final resolution of the charges against him or further order of the court and is committed to the custody of the Attorney General or his designated representative for confinement in a corrections facility separate, to the extent practicable, from persons awaiting or serving sentences or being held in custody pending appeal. The defendant shall be afforded a reasonable opportunity for private consultation with defense counsel and, on order of the court or on request of an attorney for the Government, the person in charge of the defendant's corrections facility shall deliver the defendant to a United States Marshal for the purpose of an appearance in connection with a court proceeding. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on 06/09/2023. (Borden, Gray) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
30
STANDING BRADY DISCOVERY ORDER as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on June 9, 2023. (ASL) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
31
STANDING DISCOVERY ORDER with instructions and deadlines set out as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on June 9, 2023. (ASL) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/09/2023
32
SCHEDULING ORDER and NOTICE that certain deadlines and instructions apply as set out as to Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. Signed by Magistrate Judge Gray M Borden on June 9, 2023. (ASL) (Entered: 06/09/2023)
06/26/2023
33
Unopposed MOTION to Continue Trial and Pretrial Deadlines by Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot. (Attachments: # 1 Speedy Trial Waiver)(Butler, Kevin) (Entered: 06/26/2023)


Last docket entry #33 at 6/27/23.

 
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Yes, Joran Van Der Sloot is considered a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.




Don't understand how anyone at this point can say that Joran Van Der Sloot is not a suspect.
 
  • #380
Yes, Joran Van Der Sloot is considered a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.




Don't understand how anyone at this point can say that Joran Van Der Sloot is not a suspect.
Those aren't LE sources. Under Dutch law, Joran could be (and was) held for 30 days even without being charged with any crime. Something we can't do in the US and we are rightfully proud of our own protections. Then he was released for lack of evidence. IIRC he and the brothers were held and questioned several times, along with others like the guards at the hotel.

Those news sources can accuse him of being a "suspect" because he is a foreigner without funds to sue them. Same as what happened when BH publicly, repeatedly accused the minor-aged Joran and also Deepak and Satish of being murderers and rapists. Had they been Americans she and the media show featuring her would have been rapidly sued.



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