ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Sapphire]

But that does not mean they are not American citizens. How would you know? jmo

Because I know some of them personally and according to them it's the way it is in their cultures.

 

[chasing.halos]

I can't see cuts or scratches on his shins
If they are there, they must have been very small and faint

This same male witness told police that he saw blood on the beach, saying, "The spot was the size of the opening of a plastic cup. I saw that the man had a cut on his right shin. I immediately heard him say, 'No...that's my girlfriend, I wouldn't kill her,'" according to the police report.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-calm-scratches-throat/story?id=14410923

Is he smiling in this picture? Wow.

 

[Dushi]

Is he smiling in this picture? Wow.

I think in this one he is grimacing
But there is another where he is smiling!

 

[LambChop]

Because I know some of them personally and according to them it's the way it is in their cultures.

I know some hire their family because they don't pay them much. All in the Family. lol

 

[LambChop]

Info about PFTSA
PFTSA was founded in 1992 on the initiative of AHATA and the FTA, as they both shared the same vision for the need to create a pension plan which would provide workers in the tourism industry with additional income after retirement on top of the general old age pension provided by the government.


http://www.pftsa.com/pftsa/


Residents in Aruba are already eligible for the old age pension which offers an entitlement of maximum $1000 dollar for a married couple and $558 for a single person when they reach the age of 60. Only the public sector and a limited number of private companies currently provide supplemental retirement schemes for their employees. The introduction of the general pension plan for all workers will be an add-on to the old age pension and is surely positive for the social development of Aruba, taking into account the rapidly aging population posing considerable challenges for the near future.

http://www.arubachamber.com/downloa...-protocol-for-a-general-pension-plan-in-aruba

Wow. That is good to hear. I know back in the mid 80's when we first bought in Aruba there was nothing available for workers. As I said they have really made some changes to the island the past 30 years, all positive. jmo

 

[HauntsForHope]

"The boyfriend of Robyn Gardner, the American tourist who vanished in Aruba, believes human trafficking might have something to do with her disappearance."...."Human trafficking, yeah absolutely, that's something I've been thinking about the entire time, since day one," Richard Forester said on "Good Morning America" today."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/02/robyn-gardner-human-trafficking_n_1126526.html?ref=robyn-gardner

RF makes those statements about trafficking one day after GG makes similar statements in a TV interview....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/gary-giordano-interview_n_1123396.html

"Aruba has two main sources of income, and it's not tourism -- it's cocaine and human trafficking," he said during the interview.

 

[HauntsForHope]

"The government has not yet successfully prosecuted any trafficking offenders to date..."

United States Department of State
2011 Trafficking in Persons Report - Aruba
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,ABW,,4e12ee99c,0.html


Ten people have vanished while vacationing in the Caribbean in the last 15 years, according to the Aruba Missing Persons website. One of them was Amy Lynn Bradley, then 23, who disappeared 12 years ago while on a vacation cruise with her family.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

"Worldwide news reports say bartenders from Cancun to Aruba to Jamaica regularly spike the drinks of unsuspecting women with drugs such as Rohypnol (roofies) and GHB (liquid ecstasy) for the purpose of "date-rape," but reports also describe the increasing use of these drugs to place women in a submissive state to move them into position for transport to Caribbean island and South American brothels for indefinite periods for use as drugged prostitutes in known white slavery rings."
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CaribSexTrafficking.htm

 

[neesaki]

"The boyfriend of Robyn Gardner, the American tourist who vanished in Aruba, believes human trafficking might have something to do with her disappearance."...."Human trafficking, yeah absolutely, that's something I've been thinking about the entire time, since day one," Richard Forester said on "Good Morning America" today."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/02/robyn-gardner-human-trafficking_n_1126526.html?ref=robyn-gardner

RF makes those statements about trafficking one day after GG makes similar statements in a TV interview....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/gary-giordano-interview_n_1123396.html

"Aruba has two main sources of income, and it's not tourism -- it's cocaine and human trafficking," he said during the interview.

I very much appreciate your viewpoint. At this point with no more evidence than has been released in this case, I have to believe there's at least a 50/50 chance that Robyn was trafficked versus murdered. I can't say more than that, until I see more evidence. As far as her tattoo being an issue which has been raised multiple times, how do we know that wherever Robyn was trafficked to would expose her to the type of public where it would matter whether she has or doesn't have this tattoo. IDK, but to have tunnel vision is not going to help anything, so I try not to.

The fact is, there is no evidence that Robyn is deceased. There is no blood evidence, there is no crime scene, there is no body.....

Even ALE seem to concurr with that. The judge released the prime suspect, GG, because he does not believe they have proof that Robyn is dead. Otherwise, why release the prime suspect?
The fact is, according to Aruba justice system, no body = no death = no case. jmo

 

[HauntsForHope]

I think GG was grooming her for his big payday. Keeping her sedated with liquor and pills, taking explicit photos, which he may have used to traffic her. All he had to do was hand her off and cash in the million dollar insurance. By the time he reported her missing she was halfway to Venezula.

 

[HauntsForHope]

No, he didn't kill her.... no reason for that. Not his style anyway, not gonna mess his hair up, hehe. So much easier to watch her be driven away and file a claim back in the US.

No, she could be covered in tattoos head to toe, wouldn't make a difference. No one would care. They put them in brothels and keep them drugged up. The customers are usually international travelers, they certainly aren't reading missing persons flyers... jmho

 

[LambChop]

"The government has not yet successfully prosecuted any trafficking offenders to date..."

United States Department of State
2011 Trafficking in Persons Report - Aruba
http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,,,ABW,,4e12ee99c,0.html


Ten people have vanished while vacationing in the Caribbean in the last 15 years, according to the Aruba Missing Persons website. One of them was Amy Lynn Bradley, then 23, who disappeared 12 years ago while on a vacation cruise with her family.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/12/31/grace.coldcase.bradley/index.html

"Worldwide news reports say bartenders from Cancun to Aruba to Jamaica regularly spike the drinks of unsuspecting women with drugs such as Rohypnol (roofies) and GHB (liquid ecstasy) for the purpose of "date-rape," but reports also describe the increasing use of these drugs to place women in a submissive state to move them into position for transport to Caribbean island and South American brothels for indefinite periods for use as drugged prostitutes in known white slavery rings."
http://www.tomflocco.com/fs/CaribSexTrafficking.htm

Ms. Bradley went missing from a ship that was docking in Curacao, not Aruba. NH and RG were the only women. A family disappeared while cruising in the Bahamas (not Aruba even though they are listed), one man was seen at Windsurf and was suspected as being blown out to sea, another man disappeared and the belief was he was snorkeling (and he certainly was way too old for trafficing), and another man is suspected as living in South America. How do these missing people equal human trafficing? It is very deceiving when it's reported that people are missing and not followed up with what their actual stories are and the belief about what happened to them.

The island is surrounded by water and water is a major attraction. There are bound to be people who disappear into the water. The date rape drug is available everywhere certainly Aruba or any other island in the Carribbean would not be excluded when it is so easy to get something like that into their country. jmo

 

[HauntsForHope]

Ms. Bradley went missing from a ship that was docking in Curacao, not Aruba.

Yes, that's correct.

Bradley and her mother, father and younger brother were on board the cruise ship "Rhapsody of the Seas." The ship had just left Oranjestad, Aruba, and was heading to Curacao, in the Netherlands Antilles, on the day she went missing -- March 24, 1998.

Bradley left her cabin early that morning, barefoot and carrying her cigarettes and lighter. It appears that she vanished while the ship was docking in Curacao.

 

[neesaki]

Yes, that's correct.

Bradley and her mother, father and younger brother were on board the cruise ship "Rhapsody of the Seas." The ship had just left Oranjestad, Aruba, and was heading to Curacao, in the Netherlands Antilles, on the day she went missing -- March 24, 1998.

Bradley left her cabin early that morning, barefoot and carrying her cigarettes and lighter. It appears that she vanished while the ship was docking in Curacao.

That's right, some of the cruise ship staff tried to get Amy to go to Carlos and Charlie's in Aruba. Amy refused to go with them and later she told her parents that those people were creepy. They were apparently very determined or desperate, as tragically, they got to her anyway.

 

[katydid23]

No, he didn't kill her.... no reason for that. Not his style anyway, not gonna mess his hair up, hehe. So much easier to watch her be driven away and file a claim back in the US.

No, she could be covered in tattoos head to toe, wouldn't make a difference. No one would care. They put them in brothels and keep them drugged up. The customers are usually international travelers, they certainly aren't reading missing persons flyers... jmho

I am not sure how he was able to do that. There were witnesses that saw her with him on the beach just before they drove off together. Then, not too much later, he is seen on video , claiming she was out in the water. So he would have had to meet with somebody in a planned manner to hand her off to them.
But his computer and cell records were scoured by the FBI. So how did he set this up with the traffickers? And how did he take her and hand her off without being seen by any witnesses?

 

[HauntsForHope]

It's a profitable business in the Caribbean. It's as easy as joining a website for $20 and posting a photo. I think that's how GG did it. http://internationalsexguide.info/ not this particular site of course, but anything like it... he can do it from a cell phone, hotel computer, laptop, internet cafe.... you get the idea..
Hand off is easy, drive to a meeting spot, knock her out and off she goes. Likely hooded and in the trunk.

 

[LambChop]

That's right, some of the cruise ship staff tried to get Amy to go to Carlos and Charlie's in Aruba. Amy refused to go with them and later she told her parents that those people were creepy. They were apparently very determined or desperate, as tragically, they got to her anyway.

You can't just leave a ship without passing through security. So how did she leave the ship with no record???? The thought is really creepy itself. If this happened a lot I would have concerns. jmo

 

[neesaki]

I am not sure how he was able to do that. There were witnesses that saw her with him on the beach just before they drove off together. Then, not too much later, he is seen on video , claiming she was out in the water. So he would have had to meet with somebody in a planned manner to hand her off to them.
But his computer and cell records were scoured by the FBI. So how did he set this up with the traffickers? And how did he take her and hand her off without being seen by any witnesses?

GG is reportedly very tech savvy, I'm not sure he would be stupid enough to use his home computer and his regular cell phone to commit a crime of this magnitude. Another computer or replaced hard drive, another cell phone, it wouldn't be difficult to do.

As far as witnesses maybe there weren't any on that remote side of the island or if he met up with them in the abandoned huts. jmo

 

[LambChop]

It's a profitable business in the Caribbean. It's as easy as joining a website for $20 and posting a photo. I think that's how GG did it. http://internationalsexguide.info/ not this particular site of course, but anything like it... he can do it from a cell phone, hotel computer, laptop, internet cafe.... you get the idea..
Hand off is easy, drive to a meeting spot, knock her out and off she goes. Likely hooded and in the trunk.

I think the FBI would have found that by now because that site sounds pretty explicit. Didn't RG decide at the very last minute that she wanted to get away, like a few days before they left??? jmo

 

[Sapphire]

I am not sure how he was able to do that. There were witnesses that saw her with him on the beach just before they drove off together. Then, not too much later, he is seen on video , claiming she was out in the water. So he would have had to meet with somebody in a planned manner to hand her off to them.
But his computer and cell records were scoured by the FBI. So how did he set this up with the traffickers? And how did he take her and hand her off without being seen by any witnesses?

Perhaps the white Hyundai captured on video might hold some answers.

 

[HauntsForHope]

You can't just leave a ship without passing through security. So how did she leave the ship with no record???? The thought is really creepy itself. If this happened a lot I would have concerns. jmo

I wouldnt say it happens a lot, and since 9/11/01 crusing in the Caribbean requires a passport which it didnt back then, so security is tighter. However, in this particular case, I believe it was actually cruise ship employees that spirited her off the ship.