ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[LambChop]

GG is reportedly very tech savvy, I'm not sure he would be stupid enough to use his home computer and his regular cell phone to commit a crime of this magnitude. Another computer or replaced hard drive, another cell phone, it wouldn't be difficult to do.

As far as witnesses maybe there weren't any on that remote side of the island or if he met up with them in the abandoned huts. jmo

LOL. I don't know. He wasn't to bright about getting his story straight, going into the water with sneakers on, etc. jmo

 

[HauntsForHope]

I think the FBI would have found that by now because that site sounds pretty explicit. Didn't RG decide at the very last minute that she wanted to get away, like a few days before they left??? jmo

I recall GG was 'recruiting' blonds for the trip before he finally got someone to go. If it hadn't been Robyn, it would have been someone elses loved one missing....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5IntPNDHg4&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI4r0UwBi_A&feature=relmfu

 

[LambChop]

I wouldnt say it happens a lot, and since 9/11/01 crusing in the Caribbean requires a passport which it didnt back then, so security is tighter. However, in this particular case, I believe it was actually cruise ship employees that spirited her off the ship.

You don't need your passport to go ashore. I went on a cruise in 82 and you had to be checked in and out by security. You could not just leave the ship. jmo

 

[HauntsForHope]

You don't need your passport to go ashore. I went on a cruise in 82 and you had to be checked in and out by security. You could not just leave the ship. jmo

Right, and you still cant. Thats why i still believe it was the employees that took her off the ship.

 

[neesaki]

You can't just leave a ship without passing through security. So how did she leave the ship with no record???? The thought is really creepy itself. If this happened a lot I would have concerns. jmo

They believe she was smuggled out, possibly even in a large laundry bag after being drugged. I don't know that this happens a lot. These people apparently are always on the look out, and when they find someone they want they basically stalk them. For instance, all of the photos of Amy that had been taken by the ship's photographer, from the dances, parties on the boat, etc., strangely disappeared and were not in with the other photos when her parents went to retrieve them. Every one of them had been removed.
Here is a link with some good information. http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

I guess it's ok to discuss this to some degree in relationship with trafficking as pertaining to the possibility in Robyn's case; there is an Amy Bradley thread as well.

 

[LambChop]

Human trafficing carries a maximum sentence of 30 years. How bright would it have been for GG to hint there could be a possibility of human trafficing when he has admitted being the last one to see her? If there is one person involved in a crime there is less chance you would get caught. The more people who are involved the more people who will talk. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Right, and you still cant. Thats why i still believe it was the employees that took her off the ship.

"It is known that the last person seen with Amy in the early hours of the morning was a cruise ship band member of a group known as 'Blue Orchid' by the name of 'Yellow'...and, there were other crew members who spent time with Amy, as well...Katalin (from Hungary); Eduardo Cabrito (a waiter); David Cato (a waiter); and, Patrick (a waiter)."

http://www.amybradley.net/amy-story.htm

 

[HauntsForHope]

Perhaps the white Hyundai captured on video might hold some answers.

Do tell us more.... :seeya:

 

[HauntsForHope]

Human trafficing carries a maximum sentence of 30 years. How bright would it have been for GG to hint there could be a possibility of human trafficing when he has admitted being the last one to see her? If there is one person involved in a crime there is less chance you would get caught. The more people who are involved the more people who will talk. jmo

I thought the same thing....the interview was over, yet he had to throw that in at the end.... he's such an arrogant ^$#$&%.

 

[Blueskies]

Ms. Bradley went missing from a ship that was docking in Curacao, not Aruba. NH and RG were the only women. A family disappeared while cruising in the Bahamas (not Aruba even though they are listed), one man was seen at Windsurf and was suspected as being blown out to sea, another man disappeared and the belief was he was snorkeling (and he certainly was way too old for trafficing), and another man is suspected as living in South America. How do these missing people equal human trafficing? It is very deceiving when it's reported that people are missing and not followed up with what their actual stories are and the belief about what happened to them.

The island is surrounded by water and water is a major attraction. There are bound to be people who disappear into the water. The date rape drug is available everywhere certainly Aruba or any other island in the Carribbean would not be excluded when it is so easy to get something like that into their country. jmo

Your right,I don't know of any american who has been trafficked off the island of Aruba and the thought of it seemed ridiculous to me that it happened to RG initially. Only AMy Bradley who dissapeared just before arriving in Curacao as you guys posted. In that case if you listen to the last witnesses aboard that ship it appears she was drugged by Alister Douglas(Yellow)and taken off that ship. I think the facts state Natalee was taken in a similar way..Some countries(Bahamas) warn tourists that it has been happening and to be careful..Others like Aruba deny it ever happens and did little about it until Natalee vanished. IMO

Your also right by all the drownings and fisherman who dissapeared at sea..There's a Aruban Family now who was just in the papers complaining about the help they have received..It seems once someone is missing they are gone forever no matter the nationality in Aruba.

Not sure who you mean by living in South America but I hope you didnt mean Max De Vries. Also Buddy larson never actually got to rent the equipment he already payed for to Windsurf. And Vicenzo Tromp didnt owe money nor is his father involved in the Mafia as reported again by some very bad sources in the Aruban media. Your right its very decieving when people believe these stories without actually getting the facts

Buddy Larson got into a argument over some windsurfing equipment that he prepayed for and then dissapeared. He had no equipment and the family says the police were totally negligent the way they handled his dissapearance. http://budlarson.blogspot.com/

Max De Vries was never living in Brazil and a insurance SCAM like reported by a couple of dirty reporters in Aruba who posted all over the net when Natalee vanished. He was only 14 years old and stalked by two suspected pedophiles who took him on a jet ski ride after days of constantly pestering the mother who was recently widowed. After he dissapeared the man in question gave conflicting statements,had scratches and was allowed to shower and then leave the island forever.

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http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-aruba-hiding.html

 

[Sapphire]

Do tell us more.... :seeya:

Photo of car in question


New Photo Released in Aruba Investigation
Friday, Sep 2, 2011 | Updated 9:07 PM EDT

Aruban prosecutors released a surveillance image of a car in their search for witnesses in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.

At 5:59 p.m. Aug. 2, the day Gardner disappeared, a white Hyundai Getz was headed north between the Rum Reef Restaurant and the sea. Authorities think the people inside may have seen the rented Toyota RAV4 suspect Gary Giordano, 50, of Gaithersburg, and Gardner, 35, of Frederick, used during their trip to the island parked by the restaurant. It’s also possible they saw Giordano and Gardner, according to the prosecutor’s office.

The prosecutor wants to talk to the driver or any passengers from the Hyundai.

<snip>

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Photo-Released-in-Aruba-Investigation-129168298.html

 

[HauntsForHope]

Ron says, "We have reason to believe that Amy was kidnapped and possibly sold into the sex slave market somewhere on one of the Islands. We have gotten thousands of leads since this happened. "A member of the Navy says he saw her during a visit to a brothel there in 1999. She told him that her name was Amy Bradley and begged him for help. He told her there was a Navy ship five minutes down the road. As Amy's mother recounts, "She said, 'You don't understand, I can't leave. Help me. Please help me.'" But the man dismissed her plea because at the time he didn't know Amy was missing &#8212; and because he wasn't supposed to be there"

http://drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/2926/?id=2926&slide=0&showID=623&preview=&versionID=

 

[HauntsForHope]

Photo of car in question


New Photo Released in Aruba Investigation
Friday, Sep 2, 2011 | Updated 9:07 PM EDT

Aruban prosecutors released a surveillance image of a car in their search for witnesses in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.

At 5:59 p.m. Aug. 2, the day Gardner disappeared, a white Hyundai Getz was headed north between the Rum Reef Restaurant and the sea. Authorities think the people inside may have seen the rented Toyota RAV4 suspect Gary Giordano, 50, of Gaithersburg, and Gardner, 35, of Frederick, used during their trip to the island parked by the restaurant. It’s also possible they saw Giordano and Gardner, according to the prosecutor’s office.

The prosecutor wants to talk to the driver or any passengers from the Hyundai.

<snip>

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/New-Photo-Released-in-Aruba-Investigation-129168298.html

Ahh, a potential witness....

 

[HauntsForHope]

It's really sad, but without lots of political support and tons of cash, there's no way to get someone back from something like this.

http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2010/12/kidnap-and-rescue.html

 

[Sapphire]

Ahh, a potential witness....

Or accomplice??

 

[Blueskies]

It's really sad, but without lots of political support and tons of cash, there's no way to get someone back from something like this.

http://blogs.discovery.com/discovery-insider/2010/12/kidnap-and-rescue.html

It is sad because it's a underworld and the mafia's and cartels that run these rings are virtually unbreakable. Appears to me they do as they please in places like Venezuela,Curacao and Barbado's. The women are really pretty in these places and poor so it would have to be very unusual circumstances(RG and Amy) for a american woman to be abducted and trafficked in the Caribbean..IMO

 

[Blueskies]

Or accomplice??

Supposedly the car was driving around for 45 minutes during that crucial time period and leaving just before GG arrived so I think thats possible.IMO

Sadly according to taco Stein they can't locate who rented the vehicle..So I suppose we will never know? How many White Hyundai Getz's could have possible been rented in Aruba on that day??

 

[neesaki]

Your right,I don't know of any american who has been trafficked off the island of Aruba and the thought of it seemed ridiculous to me that it happened to RG initially. Only AMy Bradley who dissapeared just before arriving in Curacao as you guys posted. In that case if you listen to the last witnesses aboard that ship it appears she was drugged by Alister Douglas(Yellow)and taken off that ship. I think the facts state Natalee was taken in a similar way..Some countries(Bahamas) warn tourists that it has been happening and to be careful..Others like Aruba deny it ever happens and did little about it until Natalee vanished. IMO

Your also right by all the drownings and fisherman who dissapeared at sea..There's a Aruban Family now who was just in the papers complaining about the help they have received..It seems once someone is missing they are gone forever no matter the nationality in Aruba.

Not sure who you mean by living in South America but I hope you didnt mean Max De Vries. Also Buddy larson never actually got to rent the equipment he already payed for to Windsurf. And Vicenzo Tromp didnt owe money nor is his father involved in the Mafia as reported again by some very bad sources in the Aruban media. Your right its very decieving when people believe these stories without actually getting the facts

Buddy Larson got into a argument over some windsurfing equipment that he prepayed for and then dissapeared. He had no equipment and the family says the police were totally negligent the way they handled his dissapearance. http://budlarson.blogspot.com/

Max De Vries was never living in Brazil and a insurance SCAM like reported by a couple of dirty reporters in Aruba who posted all over the net when Natalee vanished. He was only 14 years old and stalked by two suspected pedophiles who took him on a jet ski ride after days of constantly pestering the mother who was recently widowed. After he dissapeared the man in question gave conflicting statements,had scratches and was allowed to shower and then leave the island forever.

*************.net/index.php?topic=725.0;wap2
http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-aruba-hiding.html

BBM: I just checked the Buddy Larson link out, how sad; not only that, this guy is almost the spitting image of my brother, could be his twin.

 

[Blueskies]

They believe she was smuggled out, possibly even in a large laundry bag after being drugged. I don't know that this happens a lot. These people apparently are always on the look out, and when they find someone they want they basically stalk them. For instance, all of the photos of Amy that had been taken by the ship's photographer, from the dances, parties on the boat, etc., strangely disappeared and were not in with the other photos when her parents went to retrieve them. Every one of them had been removed.
Here is a link with some good information. http://chrisfenwick.com/home/2010/3/1/amy-bradley-is-missing.html

I guess it's ok to discuss this to some degree in relationship with trafficking as pertaining to the possibility in Robyn's case; there is an Amy Bradley thread as well.

Alot of other really strange things happened to Amys Family aboard that cruise ship and after she dissapeared. Whats interesting is two women saw Yellow and Amy go up to the disco with the lights on and music playing..He left and retreived a drink and 10 minutes later he came out alone with a empty glass..Lights went out,music was off and Amy was gone.

Kinda reminds me of the witnesses who said RG looked woozy at the cafe. As you know it was reported that GG stated that she took sleeping pills and was drinking. I cant help but wonder if a date rape drug was involved? Certainly would have made things easier for him...IMO

 

[HauntsForHope]

It is sad because it's a underworld and the mafia's and cartels that run these rings are virtually unbreakable. Appears to me they do as they please in places like Venezuela,Curacao and Barbado's. The women are really pretty in these places and poor so it would have to be very unusual circumstances(RG and Amy) for a american woman to be abducted and trafficked in the Caribbean..IMO

Yes, the 'Goldilocks' abductions are rare, and bring in big bucks. And you're right, these places are virtually lawless.