ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Blueskies]

SBM / BBM :waitasec: Am I reading this correctly, as in, the occupants of the Hyundai Getz were Robyn and GG? Also, it just occurred to me, how do they know it was a rental car?

Hi..The person driving the Hyundai getz rental was not RG/GG. According to the Amigoe newspaper they are seen on video more then just that 7 second video as the car was seen driving around for almost 45 minutes. It's possible they got a better view and determined it was a rental. I'M not sure how they know that information. The ALE seemed very interested in talking to whoever was driving that car as they put out inquiries several times in the Aruban media.

One other strange bit of information was the last picture taken of Robyn Gardner at the Rum Reef before she dissapeared. According to Martin Savidge (the reporter)the sister of one of the employees took the picture because she admired Robyn's tattoos. Strange thing is the pics were taken of Robyns other side of her body where she has no tattoos.

Mr Fang owns both the dive shop and the cafe and that is interesting that the article posted by Dushi says that he is the last person to have seen RG and GG. He has two close friends in Ireland that have been extremely negative towards Mr.Forester and Robyn gardner on the social media sites. I"M not sure what their reasons are other then hurting donations for the Robyn Gardner Foundation but one of them was in Aruba when Robyn dissapeared.

 

[Dushi]

Hi..The person driving the Hyundai getz rental was not RG/GG. According to the Amigoe newspaper they are seen on video more then just that 7 second video as the car was seen driving around for almost 45 minutes. It's possible they got a better view and determined it was a rental. I'M not sure how they know that information. The ALE seemed very interested in talking to whoever was driving that car as they put out inquiries several times in the Aruban media.

One other strange bit of information was the last picture taken of Robyn Gardner at the Rum Reef before she dissapeared. According to Martin Savidge (the reporter)the sister of one of the employees took the picture because she admired Robyn's tattoos. Strange thing is the pics were taken of Robyns other side of her body where she has no tattoos.
Mr Fang owns both the dive shop and the cafe and that is interesting that he is the last person to claim to have seen RG and GG. He has two close friends in Ireland that have been extremely negative towards Mr.Forester and Robyn gardner on the social media sites. I"M not sure what their reasons are other then hurting donations for the Robyn Gardner Foundation but one of them was in Aruba when Robyn dissapeared.

I was always under the impression that the last known photos were taken by one of the surveillance cameras at the front of the restaurant

 

[Blueskies]

I was always under the impression that the last known photos were taken by one of the surveillance cameras at the front of the restaurant

Well those would be video images. But now that you mention it,I'M not sure if the picture taken of her was the last image or or if it came from the video survaillance??

 

[Sapphire]

This came out through one source and it was the Diario newspaper which holds the most credibility with me out of all the papers in Aruba. I am 100% sure they wrote this because I translated the article myself back in August. Unfortunately,I went back to find it and spent at least a hour doing so and was unsuccesful..When I have time later this week I will make another attempt

I don't have a link, but this might help confirm the issue.



Amigoe

Police are reconstructing drowning Gardner
Friday, September 16, 2011 9:54

Alex Lacle: Here, behind the Rum Reef restaurant and dive center JADS will soon be a reconstruction of the 'drowning' by Robyn Gardner.

ORANGE CITY - Police will soon close to Baby Beach, a reconstruction of the alleged drowning of American Robyn Gardner (35) on August 2. "This is to get an idea whether the story of the suspect may be true. And to check whether his testimony corresponds with the time schedule, "said Taco Stein Advocate General of the Public Prosecutor (OM) this morning against this newspaper.

When the reconstruction is planned, Stein did not. The Advocate General could not tell whether the timing of the reconstruction is made known in advance. "That's the police." Justice is the reconstruction to better understand what happened, according to the OM are there because of inconsistencies in the story companion Gary Giordano (55) told the police after the disappearance of Gardner. Giordano is therefore suspected of involvement in her death and is since his arrest on Aug. 5 in custody. Justice in this context also investigate travel insurance worth $ 1.5 million on the lives of Gardner, who recently Giordano for their trip to Aruba had closed.

Justice assumes that Gardner is no longer alive. Despite extensive searches both at sea and on land, her body has still not recovered. Justice and international calls from the media attention to this matter, which inevitably evokes parallels with the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in 2005, have also not resulted in many useful tips. Insofar as Advocate General Stein knows, is the owner of the white Hyundai Getz yet been found. The Public Security published Friday, September 2 images of the back of the Rum Reef restaurant. In these images, this white Hyundai Getz to see long drives around quarter past five in the afternoon on August 2. The occupants could be seen Gardner and Giordano. Stein says Amigoe the research team has spoken about the question 'how many of these cars driving around on Aruba. He could not say whether that was actually chosen. "It is very difficult as it was a rental car."

 

[beach]

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[Blueskies]

I don't have a link, but this might help confirm the issue.
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Thanks Sapphire..This was a different issue/article about Giordano arriving twice on camera behind the rum reef..The first time was about 10 minutes before where he left and came back again. I've been to the Diario site looking for the article and I could not find it. I translated the article myself and read it at ************* back in August.

It's interesting if it's true because what did he forget where he would leave and then come back again? After all his friend just drowned and you would think time is of the essence to call 911

 

[Dushi]

I don't have a link, but this might help confirm the issue.



Amigoe

Police are reconstructing drowning Gardner
Friday, September 16, 2011 9:54

Alex Lacle: Here, behind the Rum Reef restaurant and dive center JADS will soon be a reconstruction of the 'drowning' by Robyn Gardner.

ORANGE CITY - Police will soon close to Baby Beach, a reconstruction of the alleged drowning of American Robyn Gardner (35) on August 2. "This is to get an idea whether the story of the suspect may be true. And to check whether his testimony corresponds with the time schedule, "said Taco Stein Advocate General of the Public Prosecutor (OM) this morning against this newspaper.

When the reconstruction is planned, Stein did not. The Advocate General could not tell whether the timing of the reconstruction is made known in advance. "That's the police." Justice is the reconstruction to better understand what happened, according to the OM are there because of inconsistencies in the story companion Gary Giordano (55) told the police after the disappearance of Gardner. Giordano is therefore suspected of involvement in her death and is since his arrest on Aug. 5 in custody. Justice in this context also investigate travel insurance worth $ 1.5 million on the lives of Gardner, who recently Giordano for their trip to Aruba had closed.

Justice assumes that Gardner is no longer alive. Despite extensive searches both at sea and on land, her body has still not recovered. Justice and international calls from the media attention to this matter, which inevitably evokes parallels with the disappearance of American Natalee Holloway in 2005, have also not resulted in many useful tips. Insofar as Advocate General Stein knows, is the owner of the white Hyundai Getz yet been found. The Public Security published Friday, September 2 images of the back of the Rum Reef restaurant. In these images, this white Hyundai Getz to see long drives around quarter past five in the afternoon on August 2. The occupants could be seen Gardner and Giordano. Stein says Amigoe the research team has spoken about the question 'how many of these cars driving around on Aruba. He could not say whether that was actually chosen. "It is very difficult as it was a rental car."

Not sure I am understanding, sorry:innocent:

But does this say at five fifteen, the driver of the Getz sees GG and RG?

 

[Sapphire]

I thought Blueskies was talking about this article from Amigoe, but it appears he/she was talking about an article from Diario. My mistake.

Yes, the Amigoe article appears to say 5:15 in the afternoon. Perhaps that's when the car was first seen in the area? :waitasec:

I know there's a video showing the exact time.

 

[LambChop]

This is the first I have heard that GG was at the restaurant twice, first time at 5:50. Does anyone have a link to that report???

 

[Blueskies]

(Diario)

Below is the Diario (Aruba) article of August 24 on the status of the Gardner case.


http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/desaparicion-di-robyn-gardner-ta-birando-un-misterio/

Disappearance of Robyn Gardner Becoming a Mystery


ORANJESTAD (AAN): Demasiado asunto no ta cuadra, declaracionnan sin base, testigonan contradictorio y un video cu ta habri caminda pa un misterio cu keto bay no tin contesta pa tur pregunta. E investigacion relaciona cu e dama turista Robyn Gardner keto bay ta habri y Polisnan encarga no por caba di finalisa e “puzzel”, banda di e hecho cu e unico sospechoso di desaparicion di e dama keto bay ta mantene un silencio hermetico. Sinembargo, tin un video di seguridad graba den vecindario cu ta percurando pa bastante interogatorio.

Too many points that don't add up, statements without foundation, contradictory witnesses and a video that lead to a mystery that doesn't have answers to all the questions ....... The investigating police are unable to solve the puzzle, and the only suspect in the disappearance of the woman is maintaining silence. Nevertheless, there is a security videotape of the area that ensures lots of inquiries.

Autoridadnan local ta sospechando awor cu lo por tin e posibilidad cu nunca e sospechoso no a drenta lama cu su amiga, manera el a declara na Polis.

Local authorities now suspect there could be the possibility that the suspect never went in the ocean with his friend as he stated to the police.

Camara di seguridad a capta e auto yega, bay back despues di 10 minuut y bolbe regresa pa mas o menos 6’or di atardi pa bati alarma.

A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

Tambe Polisnan nunca no a topa cu fleppers manera a bisa, pues tin duda cu e sospechoso lo por a landa eytras cu keds bisti manera e ta pretende. Mas leu den su declaracion cu e por a mira un bandera di Aruba siendo cu e atardi ey e negoshi den vecindario a baha bandera for di 4’or di atardi caba.

In addition, police have not found flippers as he said, so there is doubt the suspect could have swum back (to shore) dressed in tennis shoes as he maintains.

Asina tin un lista di misterionan cu ta haci finalisacion di e caso aki dificil. Tanten cu no descubri e curpa, sea bibo of morto, lo no por sigui specula mas. Mester menciona cu algun declaracion di e sospechoso tampoco ta cuadra cu otro.

So there is a list of mysteries that make solving of this case difficult. Since they have not found the body, dead or alive, one cannot speculate more. It must be mentioned that some statements of the suspect do not conform with others.

Ta intencion di husticia pa wanta e sospechoso deteni, pero den e tempo stipula mester yega na e evidencianan of declaracionnan convincente pa Corte por dicidi riba su detencion preventivo.
Wednesday, August 24, 2011
Diario Report on Robyn Gardner


It is the intention of the justice (officials) to keep the suspect detained, but in the stipulated time, they must come up with convincing evidence or statements for the court to decide on preventative detention.

http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2011/08/diario-report-on-robyn-gardner.html

 

[vlpate]

Maybe I'm looking at the wrong People article but didn't notice anything different in RF's statements. I looked but did not find your post referencing that, but looked at the 8 -11 article, is that the right one? TIA

The first inkling Richard Forester had that something wasn't quite right about his girlfriend Robyn Gardner's vacation was when he phoned her and the crackling and beeping on the line made it sound like an international call.

She was supposed to be in Orlando with her parents. Gardner, 35, told Forester, 40, she couldn't talk, but the next morning she emailed him to say her parents had surprised her with a family trip to Aruba, Forester tells PEOPLE.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html

Maybe he's naive. Maybe he was just in love and too trusting. But it seems Robyn duped her boyfriend Richard Forester about where she was going on vacation -- and then came to regret it.

Though there have been differing reports, Forester tells People Magazine that he thought Robyn was vacationing with her parents in Orlando. Then Robyn called, and the crackling on the line made it seem like an international call. The following day, she emailed to say her parents surprised her with a trip to Aruba.

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/08/robyn_gardner_missing_in_aruba.php

Sorry, I had too many pages open - these are the two different versions, but again, could be reporter error. After August, he never (unless I missed it), mentions the phone call or the email saying her parents surprised her with the trip, again

 

[LambChop]

(Diario)


A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

This is very confusing because he arrived where and left after 10 minutes from what location. It can be assumed they are talking about the restaurant because that is where he gave the alarm but it's not at all clear what time the car was seen arriving. Maybe it's lost in the translation but it is not clear at all that he arrived 10 minutes to six.

jmo

 

[LambChop]

Hi..The person driving the Hyundai getz rental was not RG/GG. According to the Amigoe newspaper they are seen on video more then just that 7 second video as the car was seen driving around for almost 45 minutes. It's possible they got a better view and determined it was a rental. I'M not sure how they know that information. The ALE seemed very interested in talking to whoever was driving that car as they put out inquiries several times in the Aruban media.

One other strange bit of information was the last picture taken of Robyn Gardner at the Rum Reef before she dissapeared. According to Martin Savidge (the reporter)the sister of one of the employees took the picture because she admired Robyn's tattoos. Strange thing is the pics were taken of Robyns other side of her body where she has no tattoos.

Mr Fang owns both the dive shop and the cafe and that is interesting that the article posted by Dushi says that he is the last person to have seen RG and GG. He has two close friends in Ireland that have been extremely negative towards Mr.Forester and Robyn gardner on the social media sites. I"M not sure what their reasons are other then hurting donations for the Robyn Gardner Foundation but one of them was in Aruba when Robyn dissapeared.

Not sure why RF is collecting money for a RG Foundation? If it is to go down and look for RG with underwater equipment I could understand that but just to go down and ask questions you don't need a foundation to do that. Certainly RG was a victum in all this so I don't understand why someone would be negative to her. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20517361,00.html


http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/08/robyn_gardner_missing_in_aruba.php

Sorry, I had too many pages open - these are the two different versions, but again, could be reporter error. After August, he never (unless I missed it), mentions the phone call or the email saying her parents surprised her with the trip, again

Thanks for posting these links. These articles were written early on in the investigation. Much of what the reporters stated has been updated and changed, especially after the Dateline interview GG gave.

The text messages stated in these articles have alway's bothered me. They are very strange, there is no flow to them, very disjointed, don't you think?

Mon-Aug 1st-RG to RF- 5:02 PM-- "the 16. I can communicate here"(HUH)
Anybody want to take a stab at the meaning of this text?

Tues-Aug 2nd RG to RF 2:05 AM--"this sucks"

RF to RG-7:57 AM--"??InBox me"

RG TO RF-3:10 PM--" Don't worry, I care about you,I Love you we'll sort things out when I get back"

>Sort what out? prior message was , "this sucks" being with GG, or her family (which RF still thinks she is with them in Florida)

Wed-Aug 3rd- RF to RG--Hello, I know your online. Tell me what your pissed about"
>No idea what this means , since she just told RF she loves him and they will sort things out?

Wed-Aug 3rd--Is this how you're trying to break up with me?
>How do you go from the 3:10 message to wanting to break-up?

...and what does "the 16. I can communicate here" even refer to??

Does anyone know if ALE have these text in evidence? If not , doesn't it seem there are some pieces of text missing??

 

[katydid23]

Thanks for posting these links. These articles were written early on in the investigation. Much of what the reporters stated has been updated and changed, especially after the Dateline interview GG gave.

The text messages stated in these articles have alway's bothered me. They are very strange, there is no flow to them, very disjointed, don't you think?

Mon-Aug 1st-RG to RF- 5:02 PM-- "the 16. I can communicate here"(HUH)
Anybody want to take a stab at the meaning of this text?

Tues-Aug 2nd RG to RF 2:05 AM--"this sucks"

RF to RG-7:57 AM--"??InBox me"

RG TO RF-3:10 PM--" Don't worry, I care about you,I Love you we'll sort things out when I get back"

>Sort what out? prior message was , "this sucks" being with GG, or her family (which RF still thinks she is with them in Florida)

Wed-Aug 3rd- RF to RG--Hello, I know your online. Tell me what your pissed about"
>No idea what this means , since she just told RF she loves him and they will sort things out?

Wed-Aug 3rd--Is this how you're trying to break up with me?
>How do you go from the 3:10 message to wanting to break-up?

...and what does "the 16. I can communicate here" even refer to??

Does anyone know if ALE have these text in evidence? If not , doesn't it seem there are some pieces of text missing??

I think they were speaking by PMs on the computer or emails or BBM's on their cell phones too. Which is why it is disjointed.

 

[redheadedgal]

the messages from the 3rd are most likely b/c she's not responding to him... and he's perceiving that as her ignoring him... as she supposedly drowned on the 2nd.

 

[Blueskies]

This is very confusing because he arrived where and left after 10 minutes from what location. It can be assumed they are talking about the restaurant because that is where he gave the alarm but it's not at all clear what time the car was seen arriving. Maybe it's lost in the translation but it is not clear at all that he arrived 10 minutes to six.

jmo

Your right,the first time I read this it was slightly different in the translation...I'M assuming that the first arrival mentioned is not when he arrived with Robyn because they stayed much longer then 10 minutes. And this is the same area behind the cafe and this was AFTER Robyn supposedly drowned..IMO

Why would he arrive and leave again if his friend had just drowned? And leave after 10 minutes? Did he forget something like to place the towels out by the rocks?

 

[neesaki]

Thanks for posting these links. These articles were written early on in the investigation. Much of what the reporters stated has been updated and changed, especially after the Dateline interview GG gave.

The text messages stated in these articles have alway's bothered me. They are very strange, there is no flow to them, very disjointed, don't you think?

Mon-Aug 1st-RG to RF- 5:02 PM-- "the 16. I can communicate here"(HUH)
Anybody want to take a stab at the meaning of this text?

Tues-Aug 2nd RG to RF 2:05 AM--"this sucks"

RF to RG-7:57 AM--"??InBox me"

RG TO RF-3:10 PM--" Don't worry, I care about you,I Love you we'll sort things out when I get back"

>Sort what out? prior message was , "this sucks" being with GG, or her family (which RF still thinks she is with them in Florida)

Wed-Aug 3rd- RF to RG--Hello, I know your online. Tell me what your pissed about"
>No idea what this means , since she just told RF she loves him and they will sort things out?

Wed-Aug 3rd--Is this how you're trying to break up with me?
>How do you go from the 3:10 message to wanting to break-up?

...and what does "the 16. I can communicate here" even refer to??

Does anyone know if ALE have these text in evidence? If not , doesn't it seem there are some pieces of text missing??

BBM. I think RF is wondering if Robyn is brushing him off / ignoring him, because without explanation, she just stopped communicating/responding to his texts / emails, thus the "trying to break-up with me" comment.
What he didn't know, is that she was already missing at that point.

"the 16" is the "16th", a date, according to what was previously posted on another thread. From what I remember, RF explained this before, maybe it was on FB. We don't know what the date was concerning.

"I can communicate here", well, sounds like Robyn doesn't feel free to communicate with RF while she's in the company of GG. But that's just speculation on my part, but I think that's likely the case, jmo.

 

[LambChop]

Your right,the first time I read this it was slightly different in the translation...I'M assuming that the first arrival mentioned is not when he arrived with Robyn because they stayed much longer then 10 minutes. And this is the same area behind the cafe and this was AFTER Robyn supposedly drowned..IMO

Why would he arrive and leave again if his friend had just drowned? And leave after 10 minutes? Did he forget something like to place the towels out by the rocks?

Okay, I see what you are saying. The problem is there was never a video of that released and they released all the others, why wouldn't they released that one because that would be damning evidence. Ten minutes is just enough time to put the towels down, get his feet wet and then run to the restaurant. jmo

 

[redheadedgal]

Okay, I see what you are saying. The problem is there was never a video of that released and they released all the others, why wouldn't they released that one because that would be damning evidence. Ten minutes is just enough time to put the towels down, get his feet wet and then run to the restaurant. jmo

off the top of my head i can think of one reason...

it would provide "damning" evidence against GG's story and suggest a crime was probably committed on "one happy island"...

in other words, current ALE might be as shady as 2005+ ALE after all :twocents: