ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[LambChop]

off the top of my head i can think of one reason...

it would provide "damning" evidence against GG's story and suggest a crime was probably committed on "one happy island"...

in other words, current ALE might be as shady as 2005+ ALE after all :twocents:

Well that would mean the FBI was shady as well because Aruba asked for the FBI's help. The FBI would want it all, not just little tidbits. It is possible there is an error in the translation.

For instance, it's reported "witnesses' inconsistencies" and we know for a fact that all the witnesses claim the same thing because ABC was shown their statements. I believe LE let ABC see them because the reporter could have asked the locals what they knew and LE did not want ABC to get incorrect information. So I can see the reason behind allowing ABC to view them. Also the translation would be more on the lines of "the inconsistencies between GG and the witnesses" even though his name was not mentioned, IMO. If you are not an expert at translating Papamento what ends up in English could be a little different than what was reported. It's not just Spanish, or French, or Dutch, it's a combination of many languages and words that they use.

It could be that the video they are talking about is when GG went to the car and came back and they left 10 minutes later. So unless there is something verified I think it is one of those questions we should ask but not assume Aruba is up to something shady. I would think ABC would have jumped on this, too, unless they did ask and the answer was that there is no such video 10 minutes before 6pm. Even from the translation I did not get that. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Well that would mean the FBI was shady as well because Aruba asked for the FBI's help. The FBI would want it all, not just little tidbits. It is possible there is an error in the translation.

For instance, it's reported "witnesses' inconsistencies" and we know for a fact that all the witnesses claim the same thing because ABC was shown their statements. I believe LE let ABC see them because the reporter could have asked the locals what they knew and LE did not want ABC to get incorrect information. So I can see the reason behind allowing ABC to view them. Also the translation would be more on the lines of "the inconsistencies between GG and the witnesses" even though his name was not mentioned, IMO. If you are not an expert at translating Papamento what ends up in English could be a little different than what was reported. It's not just Spanish, or French, or Dutch, it's a combination of many languages and words that they use.

It could be that the video they are talking about is when GG went to the car and came back and they left 10 minutes later. So unless there is something verified I think it is one of those questions we should ask but not assume Aruba is up to something shady. I would think ABC would have jumped on this, too, unless they did ask and the answer was that there is no such video 10 minutes before 6pm. Even from the translation I did not get that. jmo

This sounds reasonable to me

 

[LambChop]

I never read this before



The last person to see Robyn Gardner and Gary Giordano together was the owner of a dive shop on Aruba who noticed their car far out on a rocky point of the island which he thought was an unlikely place to be snorkeling.

He later saw Giordano's rental car at the tip of a rocky path leading out to the ocean, and said he thought at the time how unusual it was to see people snorkeling at that spot.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/aruba-dive-shop-owner-person-robyn-gardner/story?id=14315628




So a fisherman saw them walking on the jetty, and a diveshop owner saw them drive on the rocky point

Are the Jetty and the Rocky point the same place?

The point in this jetty is at the very end of the arm that reaches out to enclose the cove. I know it is very rocky out there because when the ocean is rough those waves hit that area hard and only rocks would keep the point from washing away. And I believe this is true here in the states, too. Most jetty's reaching out into the ocean have that rocky point to protect it during storms. jmo

 

[Dushi]

The point in this jetty is at the very end of the arm that reaches out to enclose the cove. I know it is very rocky out there because when the ocean is rough those waves hit that area hard and only rocks would keep the point from washing away. And I believe this is true here in the states, too. Most jetty's reaching out into the ocean have that rocky point to protect it during storms. jmo

So the jetty/rocky point is the same area that I took pictures of
One and the same, just referred to differently

 

[LambChop]

So the jetty/rocky point is the same area that I took pictures of
One and the same, just referred to differently

I can't remember those pictures, I'll have to look but, yes. The jetty is the peninsula (the arm) and the point is at the very end where the water flows in and out of the cove. So the dive shop owner is saying his car was all the way out at the end. Now that is interesting because if you were out there you know how rocky it is. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I can't remember those pictures, I'll have to look but, yes. The jetty is the peninsula (the arm) and the point is at the very end where the water flows in and out of the cove. So the dive shop owner is saying his car was all the way out at the end. Now that is interesting because if you were out there you know how rocky it is. jmo

Thats why I am asking
We drove behind the Rum Reef easily, but that jetty... I can't imagine driving on it

 

[Blueskies]

Well that would mean the FBI was shady as well because Aruba asked for the FBI's help. The FBI would want it all, not just little tidbits. It is possible there is an error in the translation.

For instance, it's reported "witnesses' inconsistencies" and we know for a fact that all the witnesses claim the same thing because ABC was shown their statements. I believe LE let ABC see them because the reporter could have asked the locals what they knew and LE did not want ABC to get incorrect information. So I can see the reason behind allowing ABC to view them. Also the translation would be more on the lines of "the inconsistencies between GG and the witnesses" even though his name was not mentioned, IMO. If you are not an expert at translating Papamento what ends up in English could be a little different than what was reported. It's not just Spanish, or French, or Dutch, it's a combination of many languages and words that they use.

It could be that the video they are talking about is when GG went to the car and came back and they left 10 minutes later. So unless there is something verified I think it is one of those questions we should ask but not assume Aruba is up to something shady. I would think ABC would have jumped on this, too, unless they did ask and the answer was that there is no such video 10 minutes before 6pm. Even from the translation I did not get that. jmo

A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

Very doubtful since the article says the camera captured his car arriving..I don't think they meant when he was mixing drinks in the car or having a smoke and then THEY left 10 minutes later. Yes could be we are missing the context of what they are reporting but I still believe this was after Robyn dissapeared.

As far as I know the FBI was not asked to help at all as far as the investigation in Aruba goes..FBI offered bloodhounds that first week and it was not allowed. Like in the Holloway case the FBI was completely shut out from the internal investigation IN Aruba. They have only assisted when the Arubans have asked like with the search of Giordano's home and computers etc..ABC for sure saw some of the statements as we knew about Giordano statement saying Robyn cut her foot on a rock which led to the blood on the towel before it was confirmed that the blood was being sent to the NFI for forensic analysis..Thats why it was so strange weeks before when Taco Stein went on national TV and absolutely denied there was any blood evidence.

I'M not going to argue or fight with you on the corruption,cover ups and who is shady and who is not. Theres a mountain of evidence and years of proof in countless investigations in Aruba most notably the Holloway case. As far as the FBI goes they can't do much and this is only one missing person and I don't believe they have the interest to spend the manpower or resources to find out what really happened to Robyn

 

[neesaki]

Thats why I am asking
We drove behind the Rum Reef easily, but that jetty... I can't imagine driving on it

BBM. If these are pics of the jetty, no way :no: would I drive a car on these rocks. And if GG were out there, that makes his story even more unbelievable and more suspect, jmo.

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MD ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 August 2011 - #9

Posted by Dushi 1/13, Posts # 959 & 960:
"The jetty?"

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[Dushi]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba has turned to the FBI for help investigating the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner of Maryland, an agency spokesman said Thursday as official doubts grew about the story told by the suspect in the case.

FBI Special Agent Richard Wolf told The Associated Press that the U.S. agency is conducting interviews and giving other assistance to Aruba, which is taking the lead in the investigation. He declined to provide details or say who was being interviewed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-10-aruba-missing-american_n.htm

 

[neesaki]

Look at all the rocks on this point, in Dushi's photos and in this video.

Who would go snorkeling here when it's so rocky it would be difficult to even walk. :no: And Robyn in high heel wedgies, then barefoot? Totally unbelievable. Which also explains why GG was wearing leather athletic shoes. Also, I would have serious second thoughts about driving on these rocks. GG must have been pretty desperate. jmo

http://youtu.be/aOwONHTbfnU?hd=1

 

[Sapphire]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — Aruba has turned to the FBI for help investigating the disappearance of 35-year-old Robyn Gardner of Maryland, an agency spokesman said Thursday as official doubts grew about the story told by the suspect in the case.

FBI Special Agent Richard Wolf told The Associated Press that the U.S. agency is conducting interviews and giving other assistance to Aruba, which is taking the lead in the investigation. He declined to provide details or say who was being interviewed.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-10-aruba-missing-american_n.htm

I'm thinking the comment by Agent Wolf was in regard to assistance given to Aruba by the FBI for investigative purposes here in the US. JMO


<snip>

"We're working with the Aruban authorities. We have enough probable cause to conduct a search warrant at the gentleman's residence," Wolf said.

http://kensington.patch.com/articles/fbi-searching-giordanos-gaithersburg-home-2




<snip>

Richard Wolf, an FBI spokesman in Baltimore, Maryland, confirmed Thursday that Aruban authorities have requested the U.S. agency's help. The assistance includes conducting interviews in the state, where 35-year-old Robyn Gardner lives.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-11/...an_1_aruban-woman-case-baby-beach?_s=PM:WORLD

 

[neesaki]

FBI Aids Aruba Investigation Into Missing Maryland Woman Robyn Gardner


I must've missed these points before. Especially the one about the search taking place all the way to Venezuela.

"He said it was also possible that Giordano had told police to search in the wrong spot."
"He said there were no unusual currents Aug. 2, when Gardner disappeared. "The water was very calm and clear ... The search took place all the way to Venezuela.""

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/mar...o-missing-maryland-woman-robyn-gardner-081111

 

[Dushi]

Meanwhile, an FBI official has arrived in Aruba to act as a liaison in the case. FBI agents have already been involved in the investigation in the United States, searching Giordano's Gaithersburg, Maryland, home.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/...insurance-aruban-insurance-policy?_s=PM:WORLD

 

[Dushi]

During the hearing, it was also disclosed that DNA test results on blood on a towel showed the blood belong to Robyn Gardner, according to Lejuez.


Giordano's attorney said this fact is consistent with his client's statement to police that Gardner cut her toe while coming out of the water while they were swimming. Police have denied reports that Gardner's blood was found on a rock at the beach where Giordano says they went swimming.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-28/j...?_s=PM:JUSTICE


A purported key piece evidence in the mysterious disappearance of missing American woman Robyn Gardner doesn't exist, police have revealed.

Blood was reportedly found on a rock near the restaurant not far from where Gardner and her traveling companion Gary Giordano were last seen together.

But Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said in an interview Saturday night: "The detail about the hand print and blood is not true."

"That is not something that we have found," the Solicitor General said, adding: "Let me put that to rest as that only hinders the investigation."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...print-evidence

 

[Blueskies]

FBI Aids Aruba Investigation Into Missing Maryland Woman Robyn Gardner


I must've missed these points before. Especially the one about the search taking place all the way to Venezuela.

"He said it was also possible that Giordano had told police to search in the wrong spot."
"He said there were no unusual currents Aug. 2, when Gardner disappeared. "The water was very calm and clear ... The search took place all the way to Venezuela.""

http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/mar...o-missing-maryland-woman-robyn-gardner-081111

Yep,they searched the waters in case her body drifted to the Venezuelan coast..The closest point is Punto Fijo which is about 16 miles from Aruba. Aruba S and R and the coast guard did a pretty good job looking for her in the water in my opinion..I do not believe she was ever in the water unless she was murdered and he weighed her body down and placed her on the other coast..It's a very high percentage that she would have been found if she indeed was in the water where Giordano says she was..JMHO

 

[Elley Mae]

I am wondering if GG thought she was going to leave RF for him. And he saw what she said to RF inference to I love You.
I have also wondered if GG may have been the sender of the last message that RF received.

 

[Blueskies]

During the hearing, it was also disclosed that DNA test results on blood on a towel showed the blood belong to Robyn Gardner, according to Lejuez.


Giordano's attorney said this fact is consistent with his client's statement to police that Gardner cut her toe while coming out of the water while they were swimming. Police have denied reports that Gardner's blood was found on a rock at the beach where Giordano says they went swimming.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-10-28/j...?_s=PM:JUSTICE


A purported key piece evidence in the mysterious disappearance of missing American woman Robyn Gardner doesn't exist, police have revealed.

Blood was reportedly found on a rock near the restaurant not far from where Gardner and her traveling companion Gary Giordano were last seen together.

But Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein said in an interview Saturday night: "The detail about the hand print and blood is not true."

"That is not something that we have found," the Solicitor General said, adding: "Let me put that to rest as that only hinders the investigation."

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusive...print-evidence

Sorry but these snips and the articles are very misleading..First about the FBI working with the Arubans and their role/involvement in this case and now about the blood evidence. I am referring to his interview on National TV long after the reported blood on the rock and hand print by ABC news where he flat out denies that there was any blood evidence whatsoever.

 

[Dushi]

Sorry but you are misleading people..First about the FBI working with the Arubans and their role in this case and now about the blood evidence. I am referring to his interview on National TV long after the reported blood on the rock and hand print by ABC news where he denies flat out that there was any blood evidence whatsoever.

I am not misleading anyone
These are not my comments
They are media reports

 

[Blueskies]

I am not misleading anyone
These are not my comments
They are media reports

Sorry i edited my posts to the articles and snips of the reports you posted. I don't have his interview handy that he did on national TV..Hopefully you remember that?

 

[neesaki]

Sorry but these snips and the articles are very misleading..First about the FBI working with the Arubans and their role/involvement in this case and now about the blood evidence. I am referring to his interview on National TV long after the reported blood on the rock and hand print by ABC news where he flat out denies that there was any blood evidence whatsoever.

Which interview are you referring to, Taco Stein's or GG's? TIA