ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[neesaki]

JMO, but if that were the case, I have a strong feeling RF would have pointed that out

If he knows that, yes. But what did she tell him, and how many guys know specifics about what women do to their hair, body, etc.

 

[Dushi]

But our forms of self expression change continuously as we get older.

LOL, and there is a whole generation that is going to have to deal with that!!

 

[Dushi]

If he knows that, yes. But what did she tell him, and how many guys know specifics about what women do to their hair, body, etc.

Gee, they were dating quite some time
He knew all about her hair extensions

 

[neesaki]

Gee, they were dating quite some time
He knew all about her hair extensions

This is true, and I imagine that her tattoos probably are permanent. Just a question in the back of my mind that will probably never completely go away.

 

[LambChop]

But our forms of self expression change continuously as we get older.

I think if you are young and you really want a tattoo, you get it and don't think about the fact that you might change your mind about the tattoo when your 50. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Does anyone have any further verification that Robyn's tattoos are permanent, versus the temporary Henna body art type? I believe it was CJ who claimed they are permanent. But then she is also the one who chose to prematurely, imo, donate Robyn's clothes to charity right after she returned home from her trip to Aruba, so I don't necessarily believe everything she has to say. JMO and TIA

Do we even know how long RG had her tattoo? She may have had it for awhile and may have had it done when she was younger.

As for her clothes, IMO RG's family told her to donate them. I can understand if they were told by the FBI that it is highly doubtful she will ever return I'm sure CJ had to get another roommate in to help pay the rent. What was she suppose to do with RG's clothes? I would think her family would have taken them but they may have told her to donate them. Whatever the case may be I'm sure it was a very hard thing for her to do. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Gee, they were dating quite some time
He knew all about her hair extensions

Some men are pretty good about noticing things. My husband would get mad (not really mad, but you know) at me because I never mentioned that he got his hair cut. His hair always looked nice and neat.....how was I suppose to notice? Sometimes I'd even guess and he'd say, "Nice try, but I got it cut last week." So it's not always men who don't notice things. lol

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If he knows that, yes. But what did she tell him, and how many guys know specifics about what women do to their hair, body, etc.

I would think if you are living most days of the week with your fiance, you are also having intimate relations with this person.There is No way RF did not know those tattoo's were authentic. IMO, anyway. When your sleeping with someone on a regular basis there are few things about ones body you can hide. LOL:blushing:

 

[neesaki]

LOL, and there is a whole generation that is going to have to deal with that!!

You're right about that. Gosh, I may change clothes 4 times before I can decide what to wear before we go out at night. And when it comes to handbags and shoes, OMG.... So there's sure no way I'd ever commit to anything as permanent as a tattoo. But then I've accepted that I'm just an old fogy traditionalist anyway, lol.

 

[neesaki]

Do we even know how long RG had her tattoo? She may have had it for awhile and may have had it done when she was younger.

As for her clothes, IMO RG's family told her to donate them. I can understand if they were told by the FBI that it is highly doubtful she will ever return I'm sure CJ had to get another roommate in to help pay the rent. What was she suppose to do with RG's clothes? I would think her family would have taken them but they may have told her to donate them. Whatever the case may be I'm sure it was a very hard thing for her to do. jmo

I think I read where it was done within the last couple years or so, she hadn't had it that long.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Thanks for looking Neesaki.

I think that is because there never was any search immediately after her disappearance. At least I never found any confirmation stating that. I think if there was Niner would have included in her TIMELINE. That is why I questioned the assumption helicopters "would have been able to see a body" comment, as if they were deployed to the exact spot RG disappeared and that search took place immediately following GG's drowning report.

For me that has always been the reason I have balked at the idea "her body should have washed ashore or been recovered, as if the search were timely enough to locate her. Who knows where her body drifted in the hours following her disappearance.

Thanks for your research.

The sun set at 7:06
That is documented
You have spent as much time in Aruba as I have, you know it gets dark very quickly

I expect when police got there, it was just setting, and I have no doubt some kind of search was done immediately

I understand helicopter , boat and dive searches were done but it still isn't clear to me when they were done

Thank you, DUSHI. That is the question I have--WHEN (TIME and DATE)?

As far as Mr. Silva's statement as to what ALE told him about GG being "too drunk to interview" I would question what LE agency would discuss the sobriety of a suspect while there is an open investigation beginning. Surely Mr. Silva has no special clearance for that type of information. The part about GG going back to his room to take a nap because he was too drunk, was debunked as a rumor only--never happened.

 

[LambChop]

Thank you, DUSHI. That is the question I have--WHEN (TIME and DATE)?

As far as Mr. Silva's statement as to what ALE told him about GG being "too drunk to interview" I would question what LE agency would discuss the sobriety of a suspect while there is an open investigation beginning. Surely Mr. Silva has no special clearance for that type of information. The part about GG going back to his room to take a nap because he was too drunk, was debunked as a rumor only--never happened.

But it wasn't a "crime" scene. It was called in as a drowning, not a homocide. There is a big difference in the way LE handles the two. IMO, too, they were in the process of checking to see if anyone had seen them in trouble because Mr. Silva said they were all looking for some movement in the water when it first happened. It's not uncommon for people to gather around an incident that does not involve a crime and they usually want to know what happened. So it was not until they became suspicious that they would have put a lid on it. In the meantime I'm guessing the witnesses were coming forward and talking to LE and giving them a slightly different story then what GG stated. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

As I said, unless we find out sooner, I will check it out once I get down there. Not an unreasonable question to ask the authorities since we do go to the eastern coast every visit.

Thanks Lambchop,

I will be happy to wait until you get back from Aruba for the answer to :

Did ALE begin searching for Robyn Gardner the nite of August 2? When and how much time was spent on that search and what Search and Rescue agencies were utilized?

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

But it wasn't a "crime" scene. It was called in as a drowning, not a homocide. There is a big difference in the way LE handles the two. IMO, too, they were in the process of checking to see if anyone had seen them in trouble because Mr. Silva said they were all looking for some movement in the water when it first happened. It's not uncommon for people to gather around an incident that does not involve a crime and they usually want to know what happened. So it was not until they became suspicious that they would have put a lid on it. In the meantime I'm guessing the witnesses were coming forward and talking to LE and giving them a slightly different story then what GG stated. jmo

OK, so is your post saying that ALE would be telling people (in general) that someone is "too drunk" to question? I think you stated your Husband is retired LE, so I guess you would know. Just does not seem professional to me , especially if the person "too drunk" is the last person to have seen the victim.:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

OK, so is your post saying that ALE would be telling people (in general) that someone is "too drunk" to question? I think you stated your Husband is retired LE, so I guess you would know. Just does not seem professional to me , especially if the person "too drunk" is the last person to have seen the victim.:waitasec:

This is Aruba, not the US. Obviously they did say that if Mr. Silva reported that to GMA reporters. But we don't know the whole conversation that Mr. Silva had with the officer. The officer could have been asking if anyone saw anything out in the water earlier, splashing around. They were fishermen who were right there so it is possible they noticed something (which we now know they did). A question could have been asked as to what GG was saying, there may have been someone there listening who could not understand what GG was saying because we do see locals standing right next to him when GG was sitting on the rock. The officer told them they could not get much information from him because he is mumbling and appeared to be drunk.

So I could see a general patrol officer saying that. Probably not a detective. But an officer who just reponds to calls, I could see them saying that, yes. Remember, though, we did not hear the whole conversation so we don't know what lead up to the remark or where they were in their investigation at that time. One thing is obvious, they expected to find that body. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

This is Aruba, not the US. Obviously they did say that if Mr. Silva reported that to GMA reporters.

So I could see a general patrol officer saying that. Probably not a detective. But an officer who just reponds to calls, I could see them saying that, yes. Remember, though, we did not hear the whole conversation so we don't know what lead up to the remark or where they were in their investigation at that time. One thing is obvious, they expected to find that body. jmo

OK, but I am not so sure either of these posted (BBM) are really that obvious

We know the track record of media reporting in this case is suspect at best. So many things seem to be reporter generated, rather than fact.

.....and until we know what "time" they began a full on search for RG's body, how can they "obviously expect" to find her body? I mean it was close to dark by the time they even began any kind of search, and that is IF they began at dusk on Aug. 2nd. If not until the next day, well ,Like I said she could have drifted anywhere. I think we will know more when you get back from Aruba.IMOO

 

[LambChop]

OK, but I am not so sure either of these posted (BBM) are really that obvious

We know the track record of media reporting in this case is suspect at best. So many things seem to be reporter generated, rather than fact.

.....and until we know what "time" they began a full on search for RG's body, how can they "obviously expect" to find her body? I mean it was close to dark by the time they even began any kind of search, and that is IF they began at dusk on Aug. 2nd. If not until the next day, well ,Like I said she could have drifted anywhere. I think we will know more when you get back from Aruba.IMOO

I think you have to trust the rescuers to know what they are doing. I would think that searching right away was in order because she could have been floating on top of the water which would have been visible from the air when it would be much less so in a boat or on land. They're professional rescurers and they tend to try even though they know there's a chance they may not find anything.

T. Stein stated they expected her body to come back to shore, not go out to sea. She was not "out at sea" supposedly when she went missing but a few hundred feet offshore. Not likely she went anywhere with her body weight and if her lungs were full of water she would have sunk to the bottom and not drifted far. Remember the currents were calm, no strong current as GG suggested. If she went under there, her body should have been there. Within a few days body gases would have brought her to the surface. That is why they were searching for a couple of days in that area only. Doesn't it seem awfully convenient, considering everything else GG has told us, that the body is not there???? They aren't going to find a body if she did not go into the water at Baby Beach. We know from witnesses that they left and GG's statement is that they never left. So no body found is more consistent with them leaving and her going into the water at some other location.

When I took my husband's ashes to Aruba they took me way out. The captain said even though they are ashes if we had been closer they would wash ashore. So we were more than a couple of miles out and the lighthouse was really, really small maybe 2 inches tall as you looked at it. They are experts on those currents and he knew exactly where to drop them. So when they say they expected her body to come into shore they know what they are talking about. It should have been there and it was not. jmo

 

[Blueskies]

OK, so is your post saying that ALE would be telling people (in general) that someone is "too drunk" to question? I think you stated your Husband is retired LE, so I guess you would know. Just does not seem professional to me , especially if the person "too drunk" is the last person to have seen the victim.:waitasec:

Sadly it appears that the person who was probably "too drunk" is Mr.Silva who also spotted a giant turtle and a shark as well as GG and RG driving the wrong way away from baby beach.

This witness may not very credible unfortunately. Whats strange is when ABC interviewed him they asked why he wasn't questioned yet..And he said his guess were the police were too lazy..lol..We may never know if his guy should be totally discounted or not..

Not sure who the actual source is here that claims helicopters spotted two sharks and a giant sea turtle where Robyn dissapeared..If the source is Mr.Silva what relevence is the sharks and giant turtle if Robyn drove off with Giordano? The source sounds like someone who was quoting CJ,Silva and the statements of Giordano..IMO


Robyn Gardner's Boyfriends Clash Over Her Last Hours
By MATT GUTMAN (@mattgutmanABC) , SABRINA PEDUTO, ALEXA MIRANDA and JASON STINE
Aug. 24, 2011

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Robyn Gardner was groggy from sleeping pills, vodka and a meal when she went into the water in Aruba where she quickly cut her toe, forcing her out of the water, a source told ABC News.

A witness at the restaurant where the couple were last seen together expressed surprise at the claim that Gardner went snorkeling because of the obvious effort she had put into her hair and make-up that evening.

A second witness claims to have seen the couple stroll on the beach, but not enter the water.

Source Insists Robyn Gardner Did Go Swimming Day She Disappeared

People at the beachfront restaurant said she was woozy and barely ate her salad.

But the source said that she did go in the water, gashing her toe on her first attempt to go swimming. She retreated with her toe bleeding, and a spot of blood was found near where the couple's rental car had been parked, the source said. Forensics is still testing the blood.

The source also said that helicopters spotted two sharks and a giant sea turtle in the area about the same time that Gardner vanished.

The last contact Forester had with Gardner, his girlfriend of more than two years, was a message from her around 3 p.m. on Aug. 2, saying, in part, "I love you, I care about you, we'll talk and sort this out when I get back."

The ABC News source says that message was sent with the intention of ending the relationship when she returned to Maryland, something Forester also disputes.

"Part of that message to me, prior to that, was, 'this sucks.' So I highly doubt that's what it was," Forester told "GMA." "Not to mention that our plan for the weekend she came home from the trip was to find an apartment together."

http://abcnews.go.com/International/robyn-gardners-boyfriends-clash-hours/story?id=14370011

 

[Blueskies]

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[redheadedgal]

DCCG has 3 Coast Guard support centers: on Aruba, Curaçao and St. Maarten. From here, the Coast Guard patrol boats patrol in the waters around the islands. The flying units of the Coast Guard are stationed at the Hato military airbase in Curaçao. The Coast Guard Center / RCC itself is located in Curaçao, the naval base Parera.

AS355DCCG employs a Eurocopter AS355 helicopter for high speed chase, and search and rescue operations. The AS-355 helicopter is stationed at Hato Coast Guard Support Center. On october 14th 2011 the dutch mod announced that the AS355's will be replaced by 2 new AW-139 helicopters by october 2012.


But I will put helicopter searches on my list. I would be interested in what type of equipment they have to search. lol jmo

As I said, unless we find out sooner, I will check it out once I get down there. Not an unreasonable question to ask the authorities since we do go to the eastern coast every visit. What if someone were to fall into the water, what should we do and what type of equipment is available to help rescue someone in that water?



i posted all this info days ago... and linked the official navy website ... did no one bother to look?