ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Elley Mae]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-drunk-obnoxious-bar

 

[Dushi]

“I haven’t heard from anyone in Aruba despite a lot of calls and attempts to get information on the case.”

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-drunk-obnoxious-bar



I expect any information that LE has would be passed on to the family when the time was right, not Richard

 

[Dushi]

One staff member said Gary is very cavalier, arrogant and loud when he’s there, and is always with a group of people.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-drunk-obnoxious-bar


IMO Gary is a bully
Bullies usually require backup. Someone to agree with them

They find their strength in numbers.
I have seen this behavior in many different situations.
I am assuming there are severe selfesteem issues associated with this behavior
Makes him feel big, important when he is really nothing

 

[LambChop]

One staff member said Gary is very cavalier, arrogant and loud when he’s there, and is always with a group of people.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-drunk-obnoxious-bar


IMO Richard is a bully
Bullies usually require backup. Someone to agree with them

They find their strength in numbers.
I have seen this behavior in many different situations.
I am assuming there are severe selfesteem issues associated with this behavior
Makes him feel big, important when he is really nothing

Isn't strange how RG seemed to be drawn to this type of person? Jumping from the frying pan into the fire with GG. Her friends and family describe her as generally a gentle person looking for the good in others and yet, from what we know, she seemed drawn to these types of personalities. jmo

 

[officer'swife 2010]

You would love Aruba. My husband was ex-LE and he loved Aruba more than any other island that we continued to visit every year. There is a lot to do there. The food is great, freshest fish ever and I'm not crazy about fish but will eat it in Aruba. Let's say as long as you trust your partner you have nothing to worry about. Just make sure you lock everything in your safe before you leave, same as any other vacation resort and you should be fine. Weather is about perfect, water is perfect, beach is perfect. Up at the high rise hotels at night you see a lot of people walking around, visiting shops, places to eat and they have a Dunkin Donuts right there. I've been going every year for 30 years. It must have something for me to keep going back. lol

Thanks, we are going to Aruba we've been to Hawaii and puerto Rico so want something different and somewhere where he can relax!!! So we made the decision now the baby is old enough to stay w o us but anyways back to Robyn I have her bf on Facebook, I feel so sorry for him. He posted he went to a place to find GG and he couldn't believe he can just live his life normal.

 

[officer'swife 2010]

Well lol I guess you guys already know about the RF situation

 

[neesaki]

There is no Carlos and Charlies in Aruba anymore
Hasn't been for several years

That's interesting to hear. I can see why it would close down, it had developed a terrible reputation for it's servers drugging women. Though I have no doubt that practice will continue in spite of it's closing, at Senior Frog's, at the Rum Reef who knows. Maybe GG will open up his own place, lol. jmo

 

[Dushi]

That's interesting to hear. I can see why it would close down, it had developed a terrible reputation for it's servers drugging women. Though I have no doubt that practice will continue in spite of it's closing, at Senior Frog's, at the Rum Reef who knows. Maybe GG will open up his own place, lol. jmo

I had never to C and C in Aruba
I have been to one in Mexico, and once was certainly enough to recognize this is a place that is designed for youth

It is an out of control party scene IMO.

I have no idea if people are drugging patrons or not, but i do know that behavior in places like this leave a lot to be desired

Young people, mostly, who have little experience with alcohol , most are not even of legal age in their own country

Yet they go away on holiday and are free to experience this kind of extreme partying without supervision

Mexico, Aruba, it doesn't much matter the location, the situation is the same JMO

 

[Dushi]

Isn't strange how RG seemed to be drawn to this type of person? Jumping from the frying pan into the fire with GG. Her friends and family describe her as generally a gentle person looking for the good in others and yet, from what we know, she seemed drawn to these types of personalities. jmo

Yes, that does seem to be what happened
If you don't recognize it as a problem, you are bound to repeat it

 

[Dushi]

In my above post I wrote Richard instead of Gary ( corrected)
I was quoting the article posted by Elley Mae and was referring to gary
However , IMO, Richard is a bully as well

 

[officer'swife 2010]

I couldn't imagine how RF feels though, you know? It would drive me insane if my spouse was missing and the last person seen w him is free walking around!

 

[neesaki]

I had never to C and C in Aruba
I have been to one in Mexico, and once was certainly enough to recognize this is a place that is designed for youth

It is an out of control party scene IMO.

I have no idea if people are drugging patrons or not, but i do know that behavior in places like this leave a lot to be desired

Young people, mostly, who have little experience with alcohol , most are not even of legal age in their own country

Yet they go away on holiday and are free to experience this kind of extreme partying without supervision

Mexico, Aruba, it doesn't much matter the location, the situation is the same JMO

I have been to a C & C's in Mexico also, but that was twenty years ago or so when I was much, much younger and was a party girl, lol.

I would have no desire to go to one now.

And, ITA about the young people that are 17 or 18 years old, such as NH. It can come to no good end, imo. And you're right, it could happen anywhere that the party environment is like that. Happens all the time here in the states, concerning the date rape drugs, I mean.

 

[vlpate]

That's interesting to hear. I can see why it would close down, it had developed a terrible reputation for it's servers drugging women. Though I have no doubt that practice will continue in spite of it's closing, at Senior Frog's, at the Rum Reef who knows. Maybe GG will open up his own place, lol. jmo

Senor Frogs is owned by the same corporation that owns Carlos and Charlies, probably not much change in the bar's culture.

 

[Sapphire]

Senor Frogs is owned by the same corporation that owns Carlos and Charlies, probably not much change in the bar's culture.

From a few of the youtubes I've seen, it's no different.

 

[LambChop]

From a few of the youtubes I've seen, it's no different.

I'm not sure about the one downtown but the one up by the high rise hotels is an open air restaurant. The only part enclosed is the kitchen. Because there are often a lot of children in that area they do balloon animals at meal time. Later in the evening it may get kicked up a little but it's not like it was at Carlos. jmo

 

[neesaki]

I'm not sure about the one downtown but the one up by the high rise hotels is an open air restaurant. The only part enclosed is the kitchen. Because there are often a lot of children in that area they do balloon animals at meal time. Later in the evening it may get kicked up a little but it's not like it was at Carlos. jmo

I know what you're saying, but how can they conrol it, if it's the "new" Carlos and Charlies, the young people don't know that? So they automatically adjust their behavior because of all the negative scrutiny? Just curious. TIA :seeya:

 

[LambChop]

I know what you're saying, but how can they conrol it, if it's the "new" Carlos and Charlies, the young people don't know that? So they automatically adjust their behavior because of all the negative scrutiny? Just curious. TIA :seeya:

Not sure any young people know it's the "new Carlos and Charlies". And the one by the high rise is really low key, I mean really. As I said it's all open and very small so they can't really do some of the types of things they did at Carlos because there are people walking around with small children. You are literally right off the sidewalk sitting at tables with umbrellas with the bar behind the tables. Plus this place is more geared to families as are most of the restaurants along that strip. Downtown may be a little wilder but I rarely see anyone going in there. I don't know how they stay open.

Also Aruba attracts a lot of honeymooners. So what you see most of all are young couples. It's not usual to see a group of girls traveling together without male companions. jmo

 

[Tugela]

One staff member said Gary is very cavalier, arrogant and loud when he’s there, and is always with a group of people.

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/02/aruba-murder-suspect-gary-giordano-drunk-obnoxious-bar


IMO Gary is a bully
Bullies usually require backup. Someone to agree with them

They find their strength in numbers.
I have seen this behavior in many different situations.
I am assuming there are severe selfesteem issues associated with this behavior
Makes him feel big, important when he is really nothing

If you read that article you will notice that the source of that story is RF. He is not exactly an unbiased source and has been coming up with all sorts of stuff about GG, most of which is probably made up. I wouldn't trust anything he says. If they quoted the manager or someone like that it might be different, but RF was not even there.

 

[neesaki]

If you read that article you will notice that the source of that story is RF. He is not exactly an unbiased source and has been coming up with all sorts of stuff about GG, most of which is probably made up. I wouldn't trust anything he says. If they quoted the manager or someone like that it might be different, but RF was not even there.

I'm not saying we should totally trust anything that RF says. That is not what all of this about.

But I can say one thing for sure, and that is, why should anyone trust anything that Gary Giordano has to say? He is, if nothing else, a pathological liar. He has no conscience whatsoever as to whatever happened to Robyn. That is very obvious in his demeanor in his interviews, etc. This man has no regrets, no conscious. Do you actually not see that?

I can tell you this, Gary Giordano is guilty of something.

There is no way that I will believe that Robyn went snorkeling in the evening hours, in this very rocky area with obviously rough waters, while under the influence of not only Vodka, but "sleeping pills", as well.

No. Way.

And there is no positive light that can be shed on a man who lives his life exploiting, using, and abusing women, a man like Gary Giordano, who is nothing but a very sad and poor excuse for a man.

The thing is, this is not about Richard Forrester. This is about Robyn and what happened to her. Robyn's disappearance transpired under the watch of the last man that was with her, and that man was Gary Giordano.

This is not only the man that was the last one seen with Robyn. This is the man that is also known for his deception, for his rage, for his abuse, and for his expoitation of women. That man was Gary Giordano. No other man, but him.

 

[Tugela]

Actually, that article wasn't about RG, or GG for that matter, it was all RF. None of what he was claiming was actually verified (which you would have thought would be simple to do if t were true).

Whether GG is a nice guy or not is irrelevant, fact is there is no evidence that he did anything to RG.