ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Dushi]

LOL, OMG, the quotes are quite messed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (not yelling)
Have a good night all

 

[LambChop]

LOL, OMG, the quotes are quite messed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (not yelling)
Have a good night all

Gremlins???

 

[neesaki]

LOL, OMG, the quotes are quite messed up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (not yelling)
Have a good night all

You must not be a night owl, Dushi. Or maybe just a different time zone?

Have a good night to you too.

 

[Dushi]

You must not be a night owl, Dushi. Or maybe just a different time zone?

Have a good night to you too.

LOL, not a night owl at all, I get up too early in the morning for that

 

[neesaki]

11/3/2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blueskies
I can tell you with 100% certainty that the Arubans are corrupt as hell and I can tell you specific details in dozens of cases..But you don't have to look far..Just look what they did in the Holloway case.

Yes,I definetly believe Giordano is guilty of a crime and I am leaning towards Robyn being trafficked. And I have a whole list of reasons why I believe that. Sadly a woman being sold and taken off the island would be much worse for tourism then a simple crime of a american killing another american.

My point was Giordano has all that hired help including Baez,his PI and the best lawyer in Aruba. Who is representing the best interests of Robyn Gardner? AHATA,ATA and the Aruban strategic task force? Why can't they locate the owner of a rented white Hyundai getz that was driving around that area for at least 45 minutes during that crucial time period?
When you state things as fact, you need to link them to either a main stream media (MSM) report or a law enforcement (LE) report.

Can you please provide some links for the corruption and that the owner of the car has not been located?

Thanks,

Salem
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B&SBM

Here's a link concerning the corruption:

December 10, 2008
DUTCH OFFICIAL HERO BRINKMAN ON ARUBA: "THEY ARE CORRUPT AS HELL"

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2008/12/dutch-official-hero-brinkman-on-aruba.html

 

[neesaki]

The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba

http://www.tni.org/paper/rothschilds-mafia-aruba

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

The Rothschilds of the Mafia on Aruba

http://www.tni.org/paper/rothschilds-mafia-aruba

EH, I would assume Toni Blinkman has been "sleeping with the fishes" :bang: shortly after this article was written.:silenced:

OR............

Shortly thereafter went into the Witness Protection Program---those Mob guy's usually track you down-----maybe he changed gender to be on the safe side.

Unbelievable report----and I though Jossy Monsur was one of the good guys?

 

[neesaki]

EH, I would assume Toni Blinkman has been "sleeping with the fishes" :bang: shortly after this article was written.:silenced:

OR............

Shortly thereafter went into the Witness Protection Program---those Mob guy's usually track you down-----maybe he changed gender to be on the safe side.

Unbelievable report----and I though Jossy Monsur was one of the good guys?

BBM. One might wonder. But he actually has published a considerable number of reports on this TI website since this one, one as late as November 2011.

But then, maybe these mob people have to be careful who they target.

 

[neesaki]

Human Trafficking: A Closer Look at a Growing Worldwide Problem

LAGON: In the Caribbean, you see a lot of transit of human trafficking victims, a lot of them for sexual exploitation. In the region of Latin America there has been increased focus on children and prostitution, but not enough of people who are adults.


And there's a problem in the region, including where there is legal prostitution, where there are being a magnet for sex trafficking.


Venezuela had for three years in a row the lowest ranking in our annual global report on its record on fighting human trafficking until last year, and then it moved up to the second lowest category of the watchlist.


VAN SUSTEREN: Is there any record or history of actual trafficking through Aruba?


LAGON: There is. Aruba, being small, is not ranked in our report, but there are cases. Admittedly, much of the pattern seems to be going to Aruba. But it is quite conceivable that trafficking from Aruba is possible.


VAN SUSTEREN: In Aruba, do you find that the policemen are willing to look at the problem? Are they honest, thorough, good, or does our state department have any problem with the law enforcement in Aruba?


LAGON: I am not in a position to give a really good assessment of that. But it is a region in which, in Latin America, corruption and lack of efficacy and law-enforcement is serious.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460130,00.html

 

[Dushi]

JB is on HLN Prime News right now talking about this case.

Did anyone see or hear about this?

 

[Blueskies]

EH, I would assume Toni Blinkman has been "sleeping with the fishes" :bang: shortly after this article was written.:silenced:

OR............

Shortly thereafter went into the Witness Protection Program---those Mob guy's usually track you down-----maybe he changed gender to be on the safe side.

Unbelievable report----and I though Jossy Monsur was one of the good guys?

Old report but its obvious little has changed. As you know the hotel and casino that Natalee was at was owned by a convicted Mobster Named Michael Posner from Chicago. Decades of involvement with the Mafia that included running prostitution,gambling and murder. He kept his mouth shut and word is that is why he was rewarded the Aruba franchise. I have a lot of articles saved from the chicago papers from those days where prosecuters called him a glorified pimp..Its really some scary reading as several of his associates were murdered when Prosecutors were pressing charges.

You can see in that report the HI was owned by the Mob before him and apparently after as the ownership was transfered to the Italians. Posner still owns the Brickel Bay in Aruba and probably other businesses. You can reference how they work as the Kalpoe brothers have had a 6 year long lawsuit vs dr phil. The law firm is from chicago and the person paying for it all is anonymous. Jorans US lawyer at one time was Joe Tacopina who has a office in Italy and did work for the Bonano Crime Family. Most people dont know but one of the largest companys is located in Aruba as well..They all remain nameless and under the protection of the Aruban Govt just like Posner and his associates.

"The first independant state under Mafia control" is absolutely correct and that is who runs AHATA who went to war slandering Natalee and her Family while protecting Joran and the other pimps. It's not the Mafia of the Al Capone days but they definetly exist on the island and they do work directly with a few of the Familys on the islands like the Mansurs.

As far as Jossy theres no doubt he and his family laundered millions and trafficked enormous amounts of cocaine,cigarettes and probably weapons over the years. You can refernece his brother Louis who sits today in a Aruban prison for these same things after years of denying he did any of it. They are definetly a powerhouse on the island..Jossy's tough to figure out as he was helpful,sounded sincere and constantly was a voice for Natalee with his newspaper. He also brought forward most if not all of the lying witnesses who became involved in the case leading Natalees Family all over the island looking for her. He's also is close to the key people who covered up Natalees case who coincidently he named woman of the year (Janssen) and helped get his friend Jan Van Der Straten a Minister position in the new Govt. As a matter of fact he stopped all contact with Natalees father when they asked that those two be removed from the case.

 

[Dushi]

The human trafficking thing...

Is it being suggested GG sold her?
Did he have a large amount of money in his pocket?
IIRC , the man was broke
Was there a large deposit in his bank account?

Or is it being suggested that this happened without his knowledge?

 

[Sapphire]

Did anyone see or hear about this?

I'm not sure if we can post YouTubes here, so if not mods, please feel free to delete. I tried to post just the link but can't do so. The video comes up with the link.


Prime News: Baez defends judge in murder case
Published on Feb 23, 2012 by HLN

Jose Baez defends a judge's decision to dismiss the murder case against a man accused in the death of his newlywed wife.


Watch here

Baez defends judge in murder case - YouTube

 

[Dushi]

Old report but its obvious little has changed. As you know the hotel and casino that Natalee was at was owned by a convicted Mobster Named Michael Posner from Chicago. Decades of involvement with the Mafia that included running prostitution,gambling and murder. He kept his mouth shut and word is that is why he was rewarded the Aruba franchise. I have a lot of articles saved from the chicago papers from those days where prosecuters called him a glorified pimp..Its really some scary reading as several of his associates were murdered when Prosecutors were pressing charges.

You can see in that report the HI was owned by the Mob before him and apparently after as the ownership was transfered to the Italians. Posner still owns the Brickel Bay in Aruba and probably other businesses. You can reference how they work as the Kalpoe brothers have had a 6 year long lawsuit vs dr phil. The law firm is from chicago and the person paying for it all is anonymous. Jorans US lawyer at one time was Joe Tacopina who has a office in Italy and did work for the Bonano Crime Family. Most people dont know but one of the largest companys is located in Aruba as well..They all remain nameless and under the protection of the Aruban Govt just like Posner and his associates.

"The first independant state under Mafia control" is absolutely correct and that is who runs AHATA who went to war slandering Natalee and her Family while protecting Joran and the other pimps. It's not the Mafia of the Al Capone days but they definetly exist on the island and they do work directly with a few of the Familys on the islands like the Mansurs.

As far as Jossy theres no doubt he and his family laundered millions and trafficked enormous amounts of cocaine,cigarettes and probably weapons over the years. You can refernece his brother Louis who sits today in a Aruban prison for these same things after years of denying he did any of it. They are definetly a powerhouse on the island..Jossy's tough to figure out as he was helpful,sounded sincere and constantly was a voice for Natalee with his newspaper. He also brought forward most if not all of the lying witnesses who became involved in the case leading Natalees Family all over the island looking for her. He's also is close to the key people who covered up Natalees case who coincidently he named woman of the year (Janssen) and helped get his friend Jan Van Der Straten a Minister position in the new Govt. As a matter of fact he stopped all contact with Natalees father when they asked that those two be removed from the case.

Fascinating information

Jossy? Is he the frozen condom Guy
You know, that report?

Links please

 

[katydid23]

Did anyone see or hear about this?

JB wasn't on HLN talking about this case, AFAIK.He was talking about the guy who drowned his wife in a scuba diving 'accident' on their honeymoon. The one who the judge just let go in the middle of his trial.

Baez, of course, said the judge was correct and the guy deserved to walk free.

eta: I just saw the post by Sapphire, linking the u-tube. thank you.

 

[Blueskies]

Fascinating information

Jossy? Is he the frozen condom Guy
You know, that report?

Links please

Sorry for the lack of links..Theres just soo much information on Natalees case and its time consuming providing everything. Jossy is one of the most powerful men on the island and owner of the Diario Newspaper.

The frozen condom guys name was Carlos Ramos who has the same name as the earlier witness who claimed he saw JK2 by the pond and drove past them that fateful night..That Carlos Ramos supposedly was a gardner for Jossy's son Eric..He also works for his hummer business. Whats interesting is he says Joran was in the driver seat,Deepak in the other and he claims the third man in the backseat was someone he saw in court when he testified..Aftter reading everything he said I believe he thinks that person was Freddy and not Satish. IMO

The frozen condom witness claimed he saw Joran swim Natalee out to sea and froze a condom he found at the scene as evidence. As far as I know they determined him to be a liar and a drug addict.

 

[Dushi]

Sorry for the lack of links..Theres just soo much information on Natalees case and its time consuming providing everything.

The frozen condom guys name was Carlos Ramos who has the same name as the earlier witness who claimed he saw JK2 by the pond and drove past them that fateful night..That Carlos Ramos supposedly was a gardner for Jossy's son Eric..He also works for his hummer business. Whats interesting is he says Joran was in the driver seat,Deepak in the other and he claims the third man in the backseat was someone he saw in court when he testified..Aftter reading everything he said I believe he thinks that person was Freddy and not Satish. IMO

The frozen condom witness claimed he saw Joran swim Natalee out to sea and froze a condom he found at the scene as evidence. As far as I know they determined him to be a liar and a drug addict.

I am impressed
But on this forum, links need to be provided
And I am very familiar with all of the rumours

 

[Dushi]

Sorry for the lack of links..Theres just soo much information on Natalees case and its time consuming providing everything. Jossy is one of the most powerful men on the island and owner of the Diario Newspaper.

The frozen condom guys name was Carlos Ramos who has the same name as the earlier witness who claimed he saw JK2 by the pond and drove past them that fateful night..That Carlos Ramos supposedly was a gardner for Jossy's son Eric..He also works for his hummer business. Whats interesting is he says Joran was in the driver seat,Deepak in the other and he claims the third man in the backseat was someone he saw in court when he testified..Aftter reading everything he said I believe he thinks that person was Freddy and not Satish. IMO

The frozen condom witness claimed he saw Joran swim Natalee out to sea and froze a condom he found at the scene as evidence. As far as I know they determined him to be a liar and a drug addict.

Also, there is a natalee link
This is the Robyn Gardner thread

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Also, there is a natalee link
This is the Robyn Gardner thread

OOPS! Sorry about that Dushi, Blueskies was just replying to my comment about a report Neesaki provided. My Bad.


....and thank you Blueskies, you seem to know a great deal about the inner workings of Aruba. I will go to the Natalie Holloway thread and read some of your info.
Thanks again!

 

[Sapphire]

Blueskies, your information is on point. Thank you for the refresher.