ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[LambChop]

1. If these witnesses are lying then that makes them awful human beings.

2. If they had a small child in the car why would he yell at the man who was beating the woman? Why put your family in harms way?

I think the law should be like the episode of Stienfield when they were put in jail because they did nothing.

We don't even know if this report is true. The discussion is about what could have happened to Robyn and it's just speculation at this point. People have reasons for not getting involved with a couple who were obviously traveling together. And the person in jail should always be the batterer not the innocent people around them but this is headed somewhat off topic because there is no proof this incident even took place. jmo

 

[neesaki]

1. If these witnesses are lying then that makes them awful human beings.

2. If they had a small child in the car why would he yell at the man who was beating the woman? Why put your family in harms way?

I think the law should be like the episode of Stienfield when they were put in jail because they did nothing.

If someone unexpectedly and without warning comes upon a situation like this, they are going to be completely caught off guard, be relatively shocked, and not immediately know how to react.The witnesses would have to process what they just saw then come to terms with realizing they need to do something, what can they do, what course of action to take, etc. After initially discussing it, perhaps even arguing about it, they then turn around to go back and get the license plate number. If this event happened, and if it happened the way it was reported, the car had already taken off and it was too late to get the plate #. Totally understandable, imo.

 

[Elley Mae]

Just found this, hope its ok to post

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/

 

[Sapphire]

Just found this, hope its ok to post

http://www.visitaruba.com/about-aruba/aruba-news/missing-persons/

Wow, quite a few missing from Aruba.

The young 14 year old boy, Max DeVries is missing from that list. He went missing on May 12, 2004.

 

[neesaki]

Wow, quite a few missing from Aruba.

The young 14 year old boy, Max DeVries is missing from that list. He went missing on May 12, 2004.

Blueskies mentioned Max DeVries in one of his posts. Why is he not on this missing persons list?

 

[LambChop]

Wow, quite a few missing from Aruba.

The young 14 year old boy, Max DeVries is missing from that list. He went missing on May 12, 2004.

Could LE have declared him dead and not missing because they had to rescue the man? The man's story does not sound right to me. Who goes out that far with a jet ski. You're suppose to stay close to the coastline. If you are out too long they go after you. It's not as if they unintentionally wandered off. Something is just not right with this man's story. jmo

 

[Blueskies]

1. If these witnesses are lying then that makes them awful human beings.

2. If they had a small child in the car why would he yell at the man who was beating the woman? Why put your family in harms way?

I think the law should be like the episode of Stienfield when they were put in jail because they did nothing.

What witnesses? The only one who reported this was John Blosser at the NE and Aruba denied it. Maybe NE did have a source but that doesnt mean they were telling the truth at all and it was never verified anywhere else. I totally discount the death threats and abuse in the elevator,mysterious accomplice with tattoos and the beating and dog burial..I have serious doubts any of it ever happened..imo

One of his last reports was a "exclusive" with Richard Forester. Problem is there was no interview and the guy's report was completely done from Richards tv interviews and facebook postings. It's a bit like Chelsea Hoffman at the Gather who was writing stories based on gossip,facebook postings,lies and from Carla Baron.

Look at the NE'S reports on Joran Van Der Sloot last year..Most of it was totally untrue like the stabbings,joran being someones ***** and the multiple escape attempts. None of it happened. NE'S stories on celebrities is one thing but when it comes to the Aruban dissapearances I would take it with a huge grain of salt.

 

[Sapphire]

Could LE have declared him dead and not missing because they had to rescue the man? The man's story does not sound right to me. Who goes out that far with a jet ski. You're suppose to stay close to the coastline. If you are out too long they go after you. It's not as if they unintentionally wandered off. Something is just not right with this man's story. jmo

I agree Lambchop. Something isn't right with the story. The boy's body was never found.

 

[neesaki]

Could LE have declared him dead and not missing because they had to rescue the man? The man's story does not sound right to me. Who goes out that far with a jet ski. You're suppose to stay close to the coastline. If you are out too long they go after you. It's not as if they unintentionally wandered off. Something is just not right with this man's story. jmo

Hope it's ok to post this link? Just found it interesting, especially what is in bold:

Excerpt from Zoltan Zion: WHAT IS ARUBA HIDING? Tuesday, March 27, 2007
BBM

When Max DeVries became a CRIME VICTIM on Aruba, it could be theoretically argued that he did not wash ashore. Even though the tests Aruba conducted during the Natalee Holloway investigation using dummies found that they did wash up on shore unless they were out 2.5 miles. In that case the dummies floated in the direction of Panama. According to info, Max was out on the jet-ski for 45 minutes and could have been beyond the 2.5 miles. Max was out 15 minutes longer than the rental time allotted. When David Stacey, the man Max went jet-skiing with was found, he was in possession of both jet-skis and Max was no where to be found. It would be interesting to see the records of where Mr. Stacey was located. How far out was Mr. Stacey?

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-aruba-hiding.html

 

[neesaki]

What witnesses? The only one who reported this was John Blosser at the NE and Aruba denied it. Maybe NE did have a source but that doesnt mean they were telling the truth at all and it was never verified anywhere else. I totally discount the death threats and abuse in the elevator,mysterious accomplice with tattoos and the beating and dog burial..I have serious doubts any of it ever happened..imo

One of his last reports was a "exclusive" with Richard Forester. Problem is there was no interview and the guy's report was completely done from Richards tv interviews and facebook postings. It's a bit like Chelsea Hoffman at the Gather who was writing stories based on gossip,facebook postings,lies and from Carla Baron.

Look at the NE'S reports on Joran Van Der Sloot last year..Most of it was totally untrue like the stabbings,joran being someones ***** and the multiple escape attempts. None of it happened. NE'S stories on celebrities is one thing but when it comes to the Aruban dissapearances I would take it with a huge grain of salt.

I haven't really followed this about JVDS at all, was it proven to be untrue? :dunno: TIA

 

[Blueskies]

Hope it's ok to post this link? Just found it interesting, especially what is in bold:

Excerpt from Zoltan Zion: WHAT IS ARUBA HIDING? Tuesday, March 27, 2007
BBM
http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-aruba-hiding.html

I agree Lambchop. Something isn't right with the story. The boy's body was never found.

Supposedly Mr.Stacy had brusies and scratches all over his upper body but was allowed to shower and leave the island after giving conflicting stories. It's believed they were two Pedophiles,one of whom was 54 years old who adoped another man with the same name who was believed to be about 30. This blog got this story correct and the source is Max's mom.

Whats really disgusting was the multiple reporters in Aruba who were printing and posting at multiple places that Max was alive and living in Brazil and was part of a insurance scam. :maddening:

 

[Blueskies]

I haven't really followed this about JVDS at all, was it proven to be untrue? :dunno: TIA

Yes it was 100 percent false

 

[neesaki]

http://zoltanzion.blogspot.com/2007/03/what-is-aruba-hiding.html

Even though the tests Aruba conducted during the Natalee Holloway investigation using dummies found that they did wash up on shore unless they were out 2.5 miles.

My question is where were these tests in the NH case done, anywhere near the area where Robyn allegedly drown, or in a totally different area? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

My question is where were these tests in the NH case done, anywhere near the area where Robyn allegedly drown, or in a totally different area? TIA

I remember it being done but i don't know the exact area. Much of those searches were done off of palm beach or north of that area to the Arashi Beach and lighthouse. It's believed the currents most everywhere on that west coast will send the body back to the shore. I have other articles saved where body's washed ashore from miles out on the ocean..One of the articles is too graphic to post here as the bodys were bloated,disclored and partial skeletons. The follow up article said they were drowning victims from illegally trying to swim to the island..But with rope still attached to one of the bodies and major cocaine trafficking all around I'M not so sure..IMO

I spoke someone at Aruba S and R almost two weeks later and he did say that area has very strong currents and can drag a body for miles but he felt it was too late as they were looking in the wrong part of the ocean. He thought at the time they would be extremely lucky if the body washed up on the Venezuelan coast.

 

[neesaki]

I remember it being done but i don't know the exact area. Much of those searches were done off of palm beach or north of that area to the Arashi Beach and lighthouse. It's believed the currents nost everywhere on that west coast will send the body back to the shore.

I spoke someone at Aruba S and R almost two weeks later and he did say that area has very strong currents but he felt it was too late as they were looking in the wrong part of the ocean. He thought at the time they would be extremely lucky if the body washed up on the Venezuelan coast.

Two weeks later after NH or Robyn disappeared? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

Two weeks later after NH or Robyn disappeared? TIA

Robyn. He knew the exact spot and said on one occasion he had to grab onto the rocks to not be dragged into the ocean because the currents were so bad. But he wasn't active on this search and may not have known that the waters were extremely calm that day.

 

[neesaki]

Robyn. He knew the exact spot and said on one occasion he had to grab onto the rocks to not be dragged into the ocean because the currents were so bad. But he wasn't active on this search and may not have known that the waters were extremely calm that day.

So referring to what is in bold, the S & R guy said the currents were strong in the area where GG says that Robyn disappeared, but at the time he experienced this the water was not calm.

Whereas the day Robyn disappeared, the waters were calm? Sorry, just a little

 

[neesaki]

I remember it being done but i don't know the exact area. Much of those searches were done off of palm beach or north of that area to the Arashi Beach and lighthouse. It's believed the currents most everywhere on that west coast will send the body back to the shore. I have other articles saved where body's washed ashore from miles out on the ocean..One of the articles is too graphic to post here as the bodys were bloated,disclored and partial skeletons. The follow up article said they were drowning victims from illegally trying to swim to the island..But with rope still attached to one of the bodies and major cocaine trafficking all around I'M not so sure..IMO

I spoke someone at Aruba S and R almost two weeks later and he did say that area has very strong currents and can drag a body for miles but he felt it was too late as they were looking in the wrong part of the ocean. He thought at the time they would be extremely lucky if the body washed up on the Venezuelan coast.

Re: the bolded: what did he mean by that, the wrong part of the ocean? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

So referring to what is in bold, the S & R guy said the currents were strong in the area where GG says that Robyn disappeared, but at the time he experienced this the water was not calm.

Whereas the day Robyn disappeared, the waters were calm? Sorry, just a little

He has personally witnessed very bad currents in that exact same location in the past and said when a body starts floating its possible for it to be dragged for miles to the open ocean or even the VE coast in the right conditions. He did not think the body was in the waters around Aruba almost two weeks later.

However at the time he may not have known about the reports of the water/currents being extremely calm that day when RG vanished as he was not actively part of the search teams.

 

[LambChop]

The waters up by the lighthouse and out a ways into the ocean are quite rough because there are different currents merging there. Strong currents coming from the Atlantic side running right into the milder currents that run alongside the western beach areas. Even on a calm day those waters can be quite choppy and this is all the time. Again, not a place you ever seen swimmers. jmo