ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[Dushi]

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/doc...yout=http://skin.issuu.com/v/light/layout.xml


This is the official release statement
I don't know if it has been posted

 

[LambChop]

I find it interesting that in one of the interviews JB claims his client is giving "too much detail" and we know from what we have read here on WS's that giving too much detail when giving a statement is a sign of lying. Psychologist say providing a great deal of detail is a sign the person is fabricating the story. So why would JB use that particular phase when sitting in an interview on a national televised program????? jmo

 

[LambChop]

The second post about the fisherman has no mention of erratic driving or drunkenness

He does not mention seeing GG again

Maybe its nothing
But the statement lacks details that the first one has

I am not debating whether either/ or is telling the truth
I am simply asking if there were two different fisherman witnesses

I was just asking in case I missed something. lol It appears there may have been two fisherman (and we know that is not unusual in that area, fishing for dinner at that time of the day) but I can't find the second one. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I find it interesting that in one of the interviews JB claims his client is giving "too much detail" and we know from what we have read here on WS's that giving too much detail when giving a statement is a sign of lying. Psychologist say providing a great deal of detail is a sign the person is fabricating the story. So why would JB use that particular phase when sitting in an interview on a national televised program????? jmo

I think we are all in agreement that GG is not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

I also feel that his lawyers job is to protect him from himself
maybe its the only way to shut him up as i feel gary doesn't like being controlled

 

[LambChop]

I think we are all in agreement that GG is not telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth

I also feel that his lawyers job is to protect him from himself
maybe its the only way to shut him up as i feel gary doesn't like being controlled

Phrasing it the way he did is not going to win GG any points, for sure. Also giving too many details tells us JB did not have enough time to prepare his client for these interviews. What is wrong with this picture???? Was it more important to get him on national tv or protect his client from himself?? It certainly looks like the tv interview was a major priority in JB's book. I don't think GG had enough time to set up these interviews himself. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Phrasing it the way he did is not going to win GG any points, for sure. jmo

Who knows

Perhaps JB thought it best to shut him up
Its probably better to have people assume your client is guilty of something than to let him shoot his mouth off and prove it, if that is the case

IMO, it really doesn't matter what his lawyer does or says, there is likely no way to win many points for him

His reputation has been reported and discussed at length
Its hard score points when most people find him unlikeable, to say the least


I have not read who decided that the interviews should be done
I may have missed that
I do feel that peoples dislike for JB colours everything. Same can be said of GG

 

[JeannaT]

I'm not saying there isn't a travel guide. What I'm saying is that it is easily researched and could have been done so AFTER his arrest. His personal injury attorney cannot confirm or deny this took place but claims, in his statement, that GG knows very well what took place. That says a lot. My guess is the information about the tourist guide did not come from his Aruban attorney. jmo

Oh, well yes. I completely believe he didn't know of this handbook before his arrest.

I think his point is, his attorney told him to call the insurance provider, and also in fact it's standard suggested procedure as published by Holland.

I think he's just using that to back up the fact - and give credence to his statement - that his lawyer told him to immediately contact insurance.

 

[LambChop]

Who knows

Perhaps JB thought it best to shut him up
Its probably better to have people assume your client is guilty of something than to let him shoot his mouth off and prove it, if that is the case

IMO, it really doesn't matter what his lawyer does or says, there is likely no way to win many points for him

His reputation has been reported and discussed at length
Its hard score points when most people find him unlikeable, to say the least


I have not read who decided that the interviews should be done
I may have missed that
I do feel that peoples dislike for JB colours everything. Same can be said of GG

I'm assuming it was JB that set up the interviews since he was with him from the time of release, arranged his tickets to leave and the flight to NYC. JB has all the contacts. Of course GG would have to be willing to give an interview but regardless of who set it up JB had an obligation as his attorney to go over those details before submitting himself to those interviews. It was too short a period of time after his release and he clearly did not have his story straight if you compare the interviews. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Oh, well yes. I completely believe he didn't know of this handbook before his arrest.

I think his point is, his attorney told him to call the insurance provider, and also in fact it's standard suggested procedure as published by Holland.

I think he's just using that to back up the fact - and give credence to his statement - that his lawyer told him to immediately contact insurance.

Well, we know GG contacted the insurance company right away but my question is why a personal injury attorney when they also handle wrongful death suits. GG was not expecting to get arrested, at least not at that point. JB did say ML was representing GG as a personal injury attorney (at least that side of his business). So why would that be? Why would GG be consulting an attorney regarding personal injury? And it would make more sense that he would contact the insurance company if he were being advised by an attorney who was planning on giving him advice regarding the insurance policy. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I'm assuming it was JB that set up the interviews since he was with him from the time of release, arranged his tickets to leave and the flight to NYC. JB has all the contacts. Of course GG would have to be willing to give an interview but regardless of who set it up JB had an obligation as his attorney to go over those details before submitting himself to those interviews. It was too short a period of time after his release and he clearly did not have his story straight if you compare the interviews. jmo

Bottom line is, no matter who set up the interviews, gary agreed to them
I just feel that Gary does as Gary wishes, JMO

Jb may have talked til he was blue about what to say, what not to say
Maybe he didn't prepare his client. I don't know
My opinion is Gary doesn't take orders well
He is arrogant, that is apparent in his first interview

Two people went on vacation
Ony one returned
GG is my focus
Given the fact that JB is garys defence, I won't put too much trust in anything he says unless proven
To me it doesn't matter who is representing him, I still would take it with a grain of salt

 

[Dushi]

Well, we know GG contacted the insurance company right away but my question is why a personal injury attorney when they also handle wrongful death suits. GG was not expecting to get arrested, at least not at that point. JB did say ML was representing GG as a personal injury attorney (at least that side of his business). So why would that be? Why would GG be consulting an attorney regarding personal injury? And it would make more sense that he would contact the insurance company if he were being advised by an attorney who was planning on giving him advice regarding the insurance policy. jmo

Perhaps that is the only legal battle he expected to fight

 

[neesaki]

I find it interesting that in one of the interviews JB claims his client is giving "too much detail" and we know from what we have read here on WS's that giving too much detail when giving a statement is a sign of lying. Psychologist say providing a great deal of detail is a sign the person is fabricating the story. So why would JB use that particular phase when sitting in an interview on a national televised program????? jmo

Yes, that was a rather awkward, revealing moment, and may be why we aren't seeing any more interviews.

 

[LambChop]

Perhaps that is the only legal battle he expected to fight

Exactly. That is what I am thinking. GG's focus was on the insurance money and what issues he would be facing. jmo

 

[NavySubMom]

LE stated early on a prescription for ambien was found with Robyns belongings
It was hers



Police also found Ambien, the sleep medication, prescribed to Gardner in the Marriott Hotel room where she was staying with Giordano. Giordano told police that he saw Gardner take a sleeping pill the day he claims they went snorkeling and she never returned.

http://masoncountydailynews.com/new...no-in-jail-60-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-case

Great, Thanks for that link.

 

[neesaki]

The second post about the fisherman has no mention of erratic driving or drunkenness

He does not mention seeing GG again

Maybe its nothing
But the statement lacks details that the first one has

I am not debating whether either/ or is telling the truth
I am simply asking if there were two different fisherman witnesses

There are slight differences, but there is consistency in that neither of the fisherman witnesses saw them go in the water.

 

[Dushi]

There are slight differences, but there is consistency in that neither of the fisherman witnesses saw them go in the water.

OK good

So it does look like two fisherman witnesses

And yes, the fact remains, they did not go into the water based on these witness statements

The question was raised because of the statement about gary being drunk and sent for a nap when photos clearly show him on the beach at that time

as is in the timeline posted on first page

 

[LambChop]

OK good

So it does look like two fisherman witnesses

And yes, the fact remains, they did not go into the water based on these witness statements

The question was raised because of the statement about gary being drunk and sent for a nap when photos clearly show him on the beach at that time

as is in the timeline posted on first page

I know sometimes details are lost in the translation down there though most native Arubans speak English very well, in some cases better than some of us, but could that have been misinterpreted to the police saying GG appeared drunk and they were thinking of sending him back to his hotel and speaking to him in the morning. Some of the media outlets are in such a rush to get the news out there they may have misunderstood what this witness was trying to say. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I know sometimes details are lost in the translation down there though most native Arubans speak English very well, in some cases better than some of us, but could that have been misinterpreted to the police saying GG appeared drunk and they were thinking of sending him back to his hotel and speaking to him in the morning. Some of the media outlets are in such a rush to get the news out there they may have misunderstood what this witness was trying to say. jmo

That is absolutely possible in my opinion
And thats why it all has to be weighed carefully against things we know

Its certainly not uncommon for the media to mess things up
Once reported, its out there

 

[LambChop]

http://issuu.com/themorningnews/doc...yout=http://skin.issuu.com/v/light/layout.xml


This is the official release statement
I don't know if it has been posted

I found it interesting, too, that in the article in the Aruban paper on November 30th Stein is saying they are appealing the judge's decision and they are not through but in the video of JB talking to GG on the day of his departure from Aruba, JB is claiming the Aruban authorities would not be pursuing the case and will not bringing GG back. Obviously JB never had a chance to speak with Mr. Stein because it appears they have different opinions. jmo

 

[NavySubMom]

Who knows

Perhaps JB thought it best to shut him up
Its probably better to have people assume your client is guilty of something than to let him shoot his mouth off and prove it, if that is the case

IMO, it really doesn't matter what his lawyer does or says, there is likely no way to win many points for him

His reputation has been reported and discussed at length
Its hard score points when most people find him unlikeable, to say the least


I have not read who decided that the interviews should be done
I may have missed that
I do feel that peoples dislike for JB colours everything. Same can be said of GG

I am mostly going by my feeling that JB is not as experienced an attorney or "PR" person as he may think. I also feel GG is the type who thinks he is smart enough to not get tripped up by any interviewer, and JB should have picked-up on GG's personality traits or had a sense of where these interviews would go during their plane ride from Aruba to the U.S.

IMO, there is no way GG should have been allowed to answer so many questions in a rambling sort of way. GG would glance over to JB AFTER he spoke or mid-way, but I think JB let GG ramble on waaayyy too long, and it was way too late before JB made any comment and the damage was done. There is no way JB should have let GG go on and on and on, and I even question letting him do these interviews immediately upon U.S soil.

JB should have stepped in much earlier with his "you are giving too much information", and JB should not have even stated THAT in that manner, those were the completely wrong words to use, IMO. GG now has many more of his own statements that can be used against him should there be criminal charges. and GG did himself NO favors in these interviews.

I also don't think these interviews put JB in a good light as an experienced attorney or "PR" consultant-type who knows how to handle these kind of situations, because these interviews were handled badly on all points. and if GG is uncontrollable, JB should not have let him in these situations as they were. It is not so much that I don't like him, which I don't, but that is beside the point on these damaging interviews, IMO.

IMO, MOO, etc.