ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[R.U.Kidding!]

Does anyone think it is strange that GG went to a Personal Injury attorney after finding out RG's mother was coming to Aruba? Personal Injury attorneys also handle wrongful death suits. The attorney can not reveal what they discussed but obviously it had to do with the insurance policy payoff because GG and JB admit GG discussing it with this attorney. So what was GG so worried about that he had to consult a personal injury attorney????? jmo

Well maybe he chose a personal injury lawyer because his companion was missing and apparently has drowned. I don't think he thought he needed a Criminal attorney, he believed it was an accident.

 

[LolliPop]

If his story matched the other witnesses I would say yes, he's credible. jmo

Unless the witnesses know each other.

But thats certainly not possible.

 

[katydid23]

Well maybe he chose a personal injury lawyer because his companion was missing and apparently has drowned. I don't think he thought he needed a Criminal attorney, he believed it was an accident.

So the purpose of the injury attorney was to help him get the life insurance payout then?

 

[LolliPop]

No. If you google the map for Aruba and check our the Baby Beach area they were out on the outer most portion of the jetty. There is a beach road on the ocean side and a beach area on the cove side. It's a peninsula and you can only go to the end and turn around. On the other side of the road is a beach and they may have come down that way. I believe that is what he is saying. jmo

OK, I get it now.

They were not on Terra Firma but on some man made jetty.

And they were right at the end of this jetty and that is how this fisherman knew they were headed in the wrong direction.

Is this correct ?

 

[LambChop]

Unless the witnesses know each other.

But thats certainly not possible.

What possible reason could these people have to suddenly, unexpectedly form a conspiracy in their statements they gave immediately to LE when the only information they had was that it was a possible drowning? Drownings are not uncommon in Aruba so why would they all make up a story just to get GG into trouble??? It would make no sense. jmo

 

[Micheline]

My real point in bringing this up has to do with this question: Why would GG bring this human trafficking question up now, after all this time he has been totally adamant that Robyn "drowned" while they were "snorkeling".

Because he wanted people to realise that it is not uncommon for people to drown at that area, that is why he gave the traffickers example.

Does it not look like he is now attempting to cast doubt on his original story? Does it not look like he is now attempting to give himself an "out", so that now he doesn't really know what happened? Really, which is it?

No, he tried to underline his original (and only) story, see his second interview where he explains to have heard people drowing at the same spot where he claims Robyn drowned. IMO

 

[LambChop]

OK, I get it now.

They were not on Terra Firma but on some man made jetty.

And they were right at the end of this jetty and that is how this fisherman knew they were headed in the wrong direction.

Is this correct ?

No. I think what he is saying is they came down the peninsula from the wrong direction. Instead of using the road they may have driven down through the beach area on the other side of the rocks. It is the beach that faces the cove. This cove is very shallow and a favorite for families to bring their children that's why it is restricted for drivers. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Because he wanted people to realise that it is not uncommon for people to drown at that area, that is why he gave the traffickers example.



No, he tried to underline his original (and only) story, see his second interview where he explains to have heard people drowing at the same spot where he claims Robyn drowned. IMO

But all of those drowning victims were FOUND. IMO, that makes his story seem faulty.

 

[LambChop]

Because he wanted people to realise that it is not uncommon for people to drown at that area, that is why he gave the traffickers example.



No, he tried to underline his original (and only) story, see his second interview where he explains to have heard people drowing at the same spot where he claims Robyn drowned. IMO

If they are dropped off 1/2 mile out and people drown it would have nothing to do with RG drowning just a few yards out. I can't see the connection he would be trying to make. I would think the person who owns the boat has to be far enough away so the Aruban authorities do not catch him and seize his boat because they will. jmo

 

[Micheline]

I believe the fishman gave his statement to LE right away. LE was looking for witnesses. Just because his story differs from GG's does not mean he is lying. They were walking close to where he was fishing so IMO they drew his attention because most tourist are on the other side of the cove. I'd be giving LE a statement, too, if what I witnessed did not match up with the story coming out of GG's mouth. jmo

Fisherman Silva (who was not interviewed by police, nor referred to by ALE as a credible witness) stepped forward almost 4 weeks after the fact.
He claims he saw them walking the shoreline and at some point driving away.

Let's say this man is credible, we know Giordano and Robyn were walking there the day before (video footage of that), so the account of Silva (if credible) may aswell have been from the previous day.

 

[katydid23]

Fisherman Silva (who was not interviewed by police, nor referred to by ALE as a credible witness) stepped forward almost 4 weeks after the fact.
He claims he saw them walking the shoreline and at some point driving away.

Let's say this man is credible, we know Giordano and Robyn were walking there the day before (video footage of that), so the account of Silva (if credible) may aswell have been from the previous day.

Why was he taking her to snorkel in a spot where they were completely isolated? If this was such a great and wonderful place to snorkel, why wasn't anyone else around at all. NOBODY.

 

[LolliPop]

What possible reason could these people have to suddenly, unexpectedly form a conspiracy in their statements they gave immediately to LE when the only information they had was that it was a possible drowning? Drownings are not uncommon in Aruba so why would they all make up a story just to get GG into trouble??? It would make no sense. jmo

"Police told him that Giordano was too drunk"

Seems this fisherman was not just a casual onlooker.

It is always good to read inside peoples words.

It appears even at that "early" stage, this fisherman was talking about the one that got away.

But like its been stated that the only information at that stage was a possible drowning.

Possible would suggest there could be more.

 

[LambChop]

Because he wanted people to realise that it is not uncommon for people to drown at that area, that is why he gave the traffickers example.



No, he tried to underline his original (and only) story, see his second interview where he explains to have heard people drowing at the same spot where he claims Robyn drowned. IMO

Oh, I think the key words here he used were that everyone thinks Aruba's main income is tourism (which it is) and he claims that is not true, it's human trafficing and drugs. We know what he is saying is a lie whether he is going by what he was told in prison or is trying to throw the conversation off. LOL I still think some of the prisoners (that he was in fear of his life because they put him with murders, etc.) were having some fun with him. He is arrogant and I could see them doing that and having a laugh afterwards. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

There were so many "witness accounts" that were reported and debunked, do we really know what accounts can be used for comparison to GG's account. I mean the NE actually went so far as to recreate the " Lobby fight" that had GG threatening to kill RG and shoving her into the elevator. What about the couple who saw her being attacked in the white SUV, the witness who saw her being buried alive, the nap GG supposedly took while they were searching for Robyn, and on and on. Who says the fisherman is to be believed.
I just find it hard to accuse GG of being caught in account discrepancies, when we do not know what accounts to compare those discrepancies with

Maybe someone can post what "witness accounts" you refer to when you state that GG has been caught in lies?

Like specific witness statement/ GG's account--compare

I don't mean to seem snarky, I just do not understand when you say GG has been caught in all these lies, and all you have are generalizations. It would really help me to understand your point if you could be specific. I really am not advocating for GG, I am just trying to make a fair assessment of the evidence.:truce:

 

[LolliPop]

No. I think what he is saying is they came down the peninsula from the wrong direction. Instead of using the road they may have driven down through the beach area on the other side of the rocks. It is the beach that faces the cove. This cove is very shallow and a favorite for families to bring their children that's why it is restricted for drivers. jmo

Still does not explain how this fisherman knew they were going in the wrong direction.

 

[Micheline]

I don't think the fishman had anything to gain by lying. What would be the incentive. He lives there. Lying to police would be the same in Aruba as it is here.

-respectfully snipper by me

Fisherman Silva did not talk to the police, he talked to ABC and told them the police never interviewed him.

Probably other witnesses (if any) did not tell the same story to the police, since if that was the case, and the police knowing Giordano and Robyn never went into the water to begin with, there would not have been a re-enactment, there would not have been all those water searches at and around the exact spot where Giordano indicated Robyn drowned.

If fisherman "mr A" is known to always fish at Nanki, saw the couple, and gave a statement to the police on the spot that Robyn nor Giordano ever went into the sea that afternoon then Giordano would not have been free to leave, his car not being searched etc.

Plus they would not spend lots of money to search and re enact there. IMO

 

[LolliPop]

Fisherman Silva (who was not interviewed by police, nor referred to by ALE as a credible witness) stepped forward almost 4 weeks after the fact.
He claims he saw them walking the shoreline and at some point driving away.

Let's say this man is credible, we know Giordano and Robyn were walking there the day before (video footage of that), so the account of Silva (if credible) may aswell have been from the previous day.

But fisherman Silva said that the police told him that Giordano was drunk.

Seems to me perhaps some fishermen stories here.

First chapter written by fisherman, media and forums continue with the rest of the book.

 

[LambChop]

"Police told him that Giordano was too drunk"

Seems this fisherman was not just a casual onlooker.

It is always good to read inside peoples words.

It appears even at that "early" stage, this fisherman was talking about the one that got away.

But like its been stated that the only information at that stage was a possible drowning.

Possible would suggest there could be more.

I believe GG reported her missing and possibly drowned because he did not know what happened to her. I don't think GG was alluding that he did something else other than swim for his life and left her behind. So LE was, at that time, looking for witnesses who may have seen him swimming frantically for his life or maybe saw her in the water. No one saw them in the water and GG claims he did not call out because there was no one around. And yet police found plenty of witnesses who claim to have seen no one in the water. Since it is an odd place to be swimming you would think they would take notice. I know I do when I'm down there and someone frantically swimming or having trouble in the water is an eyecatcher. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

-respectfully snipper by me

Fisherman Silva did not talk to the police, he talked to ABC and told them the police never interviewed him.

Probably other witnesses (if any) did not tell the same story to the police, since if that was the case, and the police knowing Giordano and Robyn never went into the water to begin with, there would not have been a re-enactment, there would not have been all those water searches at and around the exact spot where Giordano indicated Robyn drowned.

If fisherman "mr A" is known to always fish at Nanki, saw the couple, and gave a statement to the police on the spot that Robyn nor Giordano ever went into the sea that afternoon then Giordano would not have been free to leave, his car not being searched etc.

Plus they would not spend lots of money to search and re enact there. IMO

Police told fisherman Silva that Giordano was drunk, heard that with my own ears.

Of course when its said that fisherman Silva did not speak to police, maybe he just listened and did not speak back.

 

[LambChop]

But fisherman Silva said that the police told him that Giordano was drunk.

Seems to me perhaps some fishermen stories here.

First chapter written by fisherman, media and forums continue with the rest of the book.

No one was a suspect at the time and people asked what happened. A policeman told them GG appeared to be drunk and was mumbling so they would have to wait until morning to interview him. There was no suspicion of anything wrong at that time so why would they fabricate a story. Again, that makes no sense. jmo