ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[Micheline]

Do you have links showing he did not try and collect. Because everything Ihave read says the opposite.

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Investigators have been told that just two days after an American tourist was reported missing in Aruba, her travel companion tried to collect on a $1.5 million accidental-death insurance policy he took out on her, The Associated Press has learned.
A person who provided information to authorities told the AP that Gary V. Giordano, now detained on the Caribbean island, bought the insurance specifically for his five-day getaway with Robyn Gardner. The person did not have authorization to publicly release the information and agreed to speak only on condition of anonymity.
Aruban authorities previously confirmed that Giordano had an insurance policy that covered the missing woman, but withheld details, including who the beneficiary is or whether Giordano tried to collect. Solicitor General Taco Stein late Thursday confirmed to the AP that the coverage was in the amount of $1.5 million.


Read more: http://www.myfoxdc.com/dpp/news/loc...obyn-gardner-disappeared-081811#ixzz1gN5FnaZi

The whole conversation Giordano had with the person of AMEX is typed out and in posession of ALE.
It also got in the hands of ABC, fragments of it were shown in some of their many items about this case.
It must not be hard to look up the screenshots where Giordano asks how to collect on the 1,5 million.

I am pretty Sure ABC would have had a field day with that, had it been the case.
And what about Stein, he has the entire transcript of the conversation, how come he did not tell the media how Giordano tried to cash in two days after Robyn went missing? He did not refrain from calling Giordano a mean , so why not back it up with some facts?

 

[MaryAnn]

They need evidence
There isn't enough

If there was enough evidence he would have been charged

If more evidence is discovered he can be extradited

But don't you think he intentionally did this in Aruba knowing it would be harder to convict him after seeing the circus with Natalee Holloway. Although there might not be enough evidence, the hinky factor is way up there plus common sense tells you there is something really suspicious about him and this case. he had two restraining orders against him. One woman said he tried to strangle her. This is NOT a coincidence, he is a smart man and planned this from day one. GG begged two strangers two go with him on this trip, a Mother/Daughter duo he wanted to sleep with. He is scum and I wouldn't put the murder of Robyn past him.

 

[LambChop]

The whole conversation Giordano had with the person of AMEX is typed out and in posession of ALE.
It also got in the hands of ABC, fragments of it were shown in some of their many items about this case.
It must not be hard to look up the screenshots where Giordano asks how to collect on the 1,5 million.

I am pretty Sure ABC would have had a field day with that, had it been the case.
And what about Stein, he has the entire transcript of the conversation, how come he did not tell the media how Giordano tried to cash in two days after Robyn went missing? He did not refrain from calling Giordano a mean , so why not back it up with some facts?

The difference is one pertains to an ongoing investigation. The other, well, just his personal opinion, IMO. Mr. Stein is entitled to express his personal opinion. Just as in the US they are entitled to free speech. jmo

 

[NavySubMom]

Does anyone remember a case where a guy planned a murder here in the US and went a broad and killed,I think it was wife and they were on their honeymoon-they found her on the bottom of a lagoon or something.they actually showed her down there with her scuba gear still on..They charged him here in the US with pred,murder and he now sits in jail..it was on dateline/20/20 or something..I wonder if they could do that in this case?

That is a question I have been wanting to ask about GG, now that he is back on U.S. Soil, can anything legal be done to him here? or would he need to be extradited back to Aruban soil. And I have read that that is very difficult to do, extradite him back to Aruba how that he is here.

Are the Aruban LE actively still working on this?

Does anyone know this answer, I have tried to read back threads but there is so much to read at this point.

 

[JeannaT]

Aruba does not charge for searches, at least they have not up until this case. But thanks GG for coming up with that idea when they suspect it's not an accident but a crime. The flyer was published in the late 1800's long before there ever was search insurance, if there is such a thing now????

Plus whatever GG claims happened without it being verified from someone else is hard to believe. His stories change like the wind. jmo

I'm just saying what GG read in the tourist guide.

It's either true, or its not - my guess is, he's not going to make up something like that that's so provably true or false.

 

[Dushi]

That is a question I have been wanting to ask about GG, now that he is back on U.S. Soil, can anything legal be done to him here? or would he need to be extradited back to Aruban soil. And I have read that that is very difficult to do, extradite him back to Aruba how that he is here.

Are the Aruban LE actively still working on this?

Does anyone know this answer, I have tried to read back threads but there is so much to read at this point.

If he has broken any laws in the US, he can be arrested
If Aruba comes up with enough to press charges, he will be extradited

The case is still active AFAIK

 

[vlpate]

His lawyer advised him to call his insurance company, and also Holland has published a tourist guide for Aruba that says if you have one in your party go missing, call your travelers insurance company to see about search insurance.

Jose Baez stated his lawyer advised him to call his insurance. Didn't his lawyer beg to differ with Jose?

Search insurance? Is that for someone in a party that gets lost, or someone who goes missing in the water...or what? I've never heard of search insurance that would cover someone who vanished off the end of someone's arm in the ocean.

 

[SyraKelly]

I think if he planned this in the US,the state where he took the policy out should look into charges-jmo

 

[katydid23]

The whole conversation Giordano had with the person of AMEX is typed out and in posession of ALE.
It also got in the hands of ABC, fragments of it were shown in some of their many items about this case.
It must not be hard to look up the screenshots where Giordano asks how to collect on the 1,5 million.

I am pretty Sure ABC would have had a field day with that, had it been the case.
And what about Stein, he has the entire transcript of the conversation, how come he did not tell the media how Giordano tried to cash in two days after Robyn went missing? He did not refrain from calling Giordano a mean , so why not back it up with some facts?

I would love to see that entire conversation. Sounds interesting for sure. He made the first steps by calling them. Something tells me that he had the payout on his mind the entire time. EVEN NOW he says he is considering cashing it in. So the claim by his supporters that it is NOT a motive is incorrect, imo.

 

[LambChop]

But don't you think he intentionally did this in Aruba knowing it would be harder to convict him after seeing the circus with Natalee Holloway. Although there might not be enough evidence, the hinky factor is way up there plus common sense tells you there is something really suspicious about him and this case. he had two restraining orders against him. One woman said he tried to strangle her. This is NOT a coincidence, he is a smart man and planned this from day one. GG begged two strangers two go with him on this trip, a Mother/Daughter duo he wanted to sleep with. He is scum and I wouldn't put the murder of Robyn past him.

This is my own opinion only. I think he had a plan for her to drown there at Baby Beach. Get her into the water and hold her under. At that time of day, no one could see if he were holding her under. But reports are they did not get in the water and she was not prepared to go snorkeling. (No woman spends time putting on makeup and doing her hair to go snorkeling). I think he gave her the pill in her drink. Because there were witnesses on the beach he took her somewhere else, up the on the remote eastern coast maybe, and pushed her off one of the cliffs.

He changed into his swim trunks and headed back to Baby Beach by 6pm. Now he had to get wet and there was no way he could get into the water with the rocks so he left his sneakers on and went into the water up to his ankles and got out and walked down to the Rum Runner. He does not look out of breath, nor does he look sweaty, just looks like he walked up to the bar and started knocking on the doors as if he were looking for a cold beer. jmo

 

[JeannaT]

Jose Baez stated his lawyer advised him to call his insurance. Didn't his lawyer beg to differ with Jose?

Search insurance? Is that for someone in a party that gets lost, or someone who goes missing in the water...or what? I've never heard of search insurance that would cover someone who vanished off the end of someone's arm in the ocean.

I don't know. I just remember the interview with GG, where he stated that his Aruban lawyer and the guidebook said to call your travelers insurance if someone in your party goes missing. There was a thought that his Aruban lawyer wanted 1/3 of the payout, if she wasn't found.

 

[vlpate]

I'm just saying what GG read in the tourist guide.

It's either true, or its not - my guess is, he's not going to make up something like that that's so provably true or false.

Wait, GG said he read about search insurance in the tourist guide? I've googled search insurance and I've read the online tourist guides for Aruba and I can't find anything of the sort.

So, he was just getting juice out of the car and calling about the insurance because he didn't want to have to pay for the search - he read he should do so in his tourist guide. Wonder why the person taking the call that day (insurance company), didn't mention this?

 

[JeannaT]

Wait, GG said he read about search insurance in the tourist guide? I've googled search insurance and I've read the online tourist guides for Aruba and I can't find anything of the sort.

So, he was just getting juice out of the car and calling about the insurance because he didn't want to have to pay for the search - he read he should do so in his tourist guide. Wonder why the person taking the call that day (insurance company), didn't mention this?

I don't know anything further.

He said his Aruban lawyer told him to call his travel insurance, and he also stated the Holland tourist guide for Aruba advised to do the same.

That's the extent of what I know.

 

[Sapphire]

This is my own opinion only. I think he had a plan for her to drown there at Baby Beach. Get her into the water and hold her under. At that time of day, no one could see if he were holding her under. But reports are they did not get in the water and she was not prepared to go snorkeling. (No woman spends time putting on makeup and doing her hair to go snorkeling). I think he gave her the pill in her drink. Because there were witnesses on the beach he took her somewhere else, up the on the remote eastern coast maybe, and pushed her off one of the cliffs.

He changed into his swim trunks and headed back to Baby Beach by 6pm. Now he had to get wet and there was no way he could get into the water with the rocks so he left his sneakers on and went into the water up to his ankles and got out and walked down to the Rum Runner. He does not look out of breath, nor does he look sweaty, just looks like he walked up to the bar and started knocking on the doors as if he were looking for a cold beer. jmo

LambChop, I'm in agreement with you, and especially with your comment about him putting the pill in her drink. IMO, that's exactly what I think he did.

 

[NavySubMom]

If he has broken any laws in the US, he can be arrested
If Aruba comes up with enough to press charges, he will be extradited

The case is still active AFAIK

so I am trying to figure out what laws he could have broken in the U.S. regarding this, as other than booking the flight, arranging the travel insurance, etc., everything transpired in Aruba.

If enough evidence was uncovered in Aruba to charge him, the insurance could be found to be a possible motive, the whole TRIP could be the means to the motive of the $$, but he can't be charged for a motive. I don't see what can be done to him here in the U.S. now that he is here?

I wish we weren't dealing with the 2 governments here, I don't think we will ever get all of the real information here. The whole Natalie Holloway (and I am not invoking that case to derail this thread or comment on it) just disheartens me that we will never get to the bottom of this here in the U.S. It is so frustrating to me after reading all that has transpired, since they let him leave Aruba, it will be very difficult to get him back.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[LambChop]

I'm just saying what GG read in the tourist guide.

It's either true, or its not - my guess is, he's not going to make up something like that that's so provably true or false.

It's been four months. He has had time to go over and over and over it in his head. His attorney in Aruba is bound by confidentiality so GG knows his attorney cannot disagree. How do we know this information did not come from GG's present attorney and his staff of "researchers"? I do not put much credibility in what GG claims. I also find it hard to believe that an Aruban attorney would tell him that when Aruba has no such policy to my knowledge. It would be a big turn off for the tourist trade to think if a loved one went missing that LE would charge you to search. What would one say, "No, don't search I'm down on a package and can't afford for you to look for a body????" American's pay a pretty penny in government taxes as it is to stay there. jmo

 

[NavySubMom]

This is my own opinion only. I think he had a plan for her to drown there at Baby Beach. Get her into the water and hold her under. At that time of day, no one could see if he were holding her under. But reports are they did not get in the water and she was not prepared to go snorkeling. (No woman spends time putting on makeup and doing her hair to go snorkeling). I think he gave her the pill in her drink. Because there were witnesses on the beach he took her somewhere else, up the on the remote eastern coast maybe, and pushed her off one of the cliffs.

He changed into his swim trunks and headed back to Baby Beach by 6pm. Now he had to get wet and there was no way he could get into the water with the rocks so he left his sneakers on and went into the water up to his ankles and got out and walked down to the Rum Runner. He does not look out of breath, nor does he look sweaty, just looks like he walked up to the bar and started knocking on the doors as if he were looking for a cold beer. jmo

This is also what I think happened, watching that video he is in NO WAY a man in any frantic mode or distressed whatsoever knocking on those doorways after the fact, one door he barely even touches before he seems to walk away.

I completely agree about him putting a pill in that drink, in CASE her body would wash up, and they can do a toxicology test, he wanted to have a cover story aobut the ambien they may find in her body so he stated she took one, or something along those lines. Wonder if she has a prescription for them, or if he has a prescription for them.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[JeannaT]

Lambchop.

Do you think there's not an official travel guide written by Holland for Aruba?

That mentions calling your travel insurance if someone in your party goes missing?

Would both GG and his lawyer make this obvious blunder?

I don't think so.

 

[vlpate]

I don't know anything further.

He said his Aruban lawyer told him to call his travel insurance, and he also stated the Holland tourist guide for Aruba advised to do the same.

That's the extent of what I know.

Gotcha. I'll see if I can find where he said this - what a crock.

 

[Dushi]

so I am trying to figure out what laws he could have broken in the U.S. regarding this, as other than booking the flight, arranging the travel insurance, etc., everything transpired in Aruba.

If enough evidence was uncovered in Aruba to charge him, the insurance could be found to be a possible motive, the whole TRIP could be the means to the motive of the $$, but he can't be charged for a motive. I don't see what can be done to him here in the U.S. now that he is here?

I wish we weren't dealing with the 2 governments here, I don't think we will ever get all of the real information here. The whole Natalie Holloway (and I am not invoking that case to derail this thread or comment on it) just disheartens me that we will never get to the bottom of this here in the U.S. It is so frustrating to me after reading all that has transpired, since they let him leave Aruba, it will be very difficult to get him back.

IMO, MOO, etc.

I think FBI looked at the travel insurance, to see if signatures were fraudulent
Things like that
they searched his home , his computers

Anything that was planned in the US, if anything was, is subject to US laws