ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[LambChop]

Of course, JB should have anticipated the question and prepared GG to answer it.

To be fair, innocent people collect on life insurance policies all the time. Assuming GG is innocent (something I doubt), in those few seconds he had to be thinking, "If I say yes, I'll sound callous, but if I say no, somebody will be sure to replay this interview someday when I collect on the policy."

I think the fact that he took out so much insurance on RG is very suspicious.

The fact that someday he may collect on insurance he has purchased doesn't bother me (unless, of course, he commits fraud in doing so).

You know I really don't think JB anticipated that GG would be talking so much, lol. Even it they went over everything in the short time they were together, I think GG would say what he wanted to say regardless of what JB had discussed with him....an attorney's nightmare. lol When he told Robin he would conduct his own interview that should have told us a lot, IMO. jmo

 

[Micheline]

Respectfully snipped....just wanted to give you a head's up:
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/auabr-renaissance-aruba-resort-and-casino/

Thanks vlpate, but they were staying at the Marriott Palmbeach.

After his release Giordano did spend a night at the Renaissance.

 

[vlpate]

Welner did appear to be more focused on the reality of the situation than the other guy who although he did try to conceal his bias but ultimately exposed himself as he went on.

I am hesitant to agree about whether he has no remorse as opposed to not showing his remorse which I believe he has shown.

With regard to him showing anger as opposed to remorse, that is subjective and can be interpreted by onlookers as they would want it to appear.

To be perfectly honest, if that were me, I would have not been as nice to the talking heads who clearly are not neutral.

I would have in no uncertain terms have been more direct and to the point, stated my case and told the talking heads what happened and excused myself without allowing them to dictate the terms of the interview.

But in answer to your question about Dr Welner, Yes, the man was clearly more competent than the other one.

Yeah, not so much. ABC pays for the interviews, whether it be licensing fees/pictures/videos, or exclusives. You take the money, you sit through the interview. Baez is very familiar with ABC and how they operate....GG was briefed...IMO

 

[vlpate]

Thanks vlpate, but they were staying at the Marriott Palmbeach.

After his release Giordano did spend a night at the Renaissance.

The scene: The Renaissance Aruba Resort & Casino in Oranjestad, where Ms Gardner and Mr Giordano were reportedly staying during the holiday

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...yn-Gradner-demands-release.html#ixzz1hn7uSAam

 

[LambChop]

Respectfully snipped....just wanted to give you a head's up:
http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/auabr-renaissance-aruba-resort-and-casino/

When you say Marriott to me, my first thought is the high rise up at the northern end of the island. I had forgotten about the one downtown and when the reporters said they were staying at the Marriott my brain went to the high rise. The one downtown, however, has that island beach area that is beautiful and if I had been staying there I would have been on the beach right there everyday. Everything you would want is there. Makes no sense that the couple of days they were there they spent it riding down the to Baby Beach. A waste of two beautiful days. For Robyn it was a waste of a life. jmo

 

[Micheline]

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No. Nanki, Aruba is the area where the beaches are located. Just as up by the high rise hotels. It is one long beach but if you are at the beach near the Divi it's called Manchebo Beach and then it becomes Eagle Beach and the names keep changing as you go up the beach. It's not like the beach at Atlantic City. The names change.

Lambchop I am not unaware of the things you mention, I visit Aruba a couple of times a year, just have never went to Nanki/RumReef etc. so I appreciate you pointing that part out to me.

No. Rocky Point is what they named the portion of the beach area. Why they have different names, I have no idea, except that they have different names.

The name Rocky Point does not exist (only on the blog of an American)

He was not on Rodger's Beach even the dive shop owner claims he would have thought that is where they would go into the water. There is only one peninsula and that is where the witnesses, GG and LE claim to have been. GG is the one who showed LE where he went into the water and LE claimed it was out near Rocky Point.

LE never mentioned the name "rocky point" to my knowledge.

The Renaissance is owned by the Marriett and it is downtown. They were staying downtown from what I understand. The other Marriett is up past the highrise hotels and is a big hotel with timeshare units. I think posters assumed they were staying at the highrise Marriett because they had attended the beach party right behind the Marriett. LE never stated they were staying anywhere other than where they were staying.

They were not staying at the Renaissance.
I was told the confusion may have come from the fact that Robyn's mother was staying at the Renaissance, but Robyn and GG were not.

The refinery is on the other side of Rodger's Beach so it would be north west of Rocky Point. So if you were to walk from Rocky point west on the peninsula you would come to the clubhouse and the refinery would be off at a distance on the other side of the cove at Rodger's Beach. Baby Beach is not at Rodger's Beach it is east of the clubhouse. If you look on the google map the Rum Reef has a fan shaped front to the building which I think we can see in the video. GG was coming from an easterly direction from the peninsula. Rodger's Beach is on the other side of the Clubhouse which is west of the restaurant.

Thanks I will check with the images tomorrow.

 

[vlpate]

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Lambchop I am not unaware of the things you mention, I visit Aruba a couple of times a year, just have never went to Nanki/RumReef etc. so I appreciate you pointing that part out to me.



The name Rocky Point does not exist (only on the blog of an American)



LE never mentioned the name "rocky point" to my knowledge.



They were not staying at the Renaissance.
I was told the confusion may have come from the fact that Robyn's mother was staying at the Renaissance, but Robyn and GG were not.



Thanks I will check with the images tomorrow.

BEM: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/16/ng.01.html

"Giordano`s Car Spotted on Rocky Point Before Robyn Gardner`s Disappearance in Aruba"

 

[LambChop]

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Lambchop I am not unaware of the things you mention, I visit Aruba a couple of times a year, just have never went to Nanki/RumReef etc. so I appreciate you pointing that part out to me.



The name Rocky Point does not exist (only on the blog of an American)



LE never mentioned the name "rocky point" to my knowledge.



They were not staying at the Renaissance.
I was told the confusion may have come from the fact that Robyn's mother was staying at the Renaissance, but Robyn and GG were not.



Thanks I will check with the images tomorrow.

The area at the point is called Rocky Point. It may not appear on a map but obviously it was used to describe that area. I never heard of it either before this case but that may be how the locals identify with it. Mr. Silva may have mentioned it. They were not at the very end of the peninsula but up a ways towards the restaurant. My guess is it got it's name because of all the rocks.

I don't know, Micheline, it's sounds like we may have to do a road trip here, lol. I can pack in 1/2 hour and be ready to go. lol

As I said I thought they were at the Marriott up at the high rise area at first but everything I have read and seen so far claims that no, they were staying downtown. So that is a mystery still, I guess. jmo

 

[Micheline]

BEM: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/16/ng.01.html

"Giordano`s Car Spotted on Rocky Point Before Robyn Gardner`s Disappearance in Aruba"

That is a rush transcript.

The diveshop owner referred to a rocky path and a rocky point.
It is not an offical name and "rocky point" does exist nor does "rocky path", it is used by someone in the same way someone would say a sandy path.

See here:
http://akronnewsnow.com/news/nation...last-person-to-see-robyn-gardner-helping-cops

 

[LambChop]

Dear vlpate, the manager of the Renaissance is a very dear friend, he knows exactly where Robyn and Giordano were staying and that was not at the Renaissance, no matter what the dailymail says.

Thanks. The beach at the Marriott Surf Club is very beautiful, too, and snorkeling at Malmok is right up the road from the hotel. There are a lot of fish at that location and the snorkeling is great. Sandy beach but still a small amount of rocks as you get into the water but not as bad as where GG claims to have gone in. At least I can get into the water there without falling. Why drive 27 miles for two days one way when a mile up the beach is a great snorkeling area? jmo

 

[vlpate]

Dear vlpate, the manager of the Renaissance is a very dear friend, he knows exactly where Robyn and Giordano were staying and that was not at the Renaissance, no matter what the dailymail says.

Then your very dear friend needs to alert the media because not one MSM report has them staying at the Marriott Palm Beach.

 

[LambChop]

That is a rush transcript.

The diveshop owner referred to a rocky path and a rocky point.
It is not an offical name and "rocky point" does exist nor does "rocky path", it is used by someone in the same way someone would say a sandy path.

See here:
http://akronnewsnow.com/news/nation...last-person-to-see-robyn-gardner-helping-cops

Yes, I see that and as I said I have never heard of it either and the man who made the video claims to have never heard of it referred to as Rocky Point. I also see that the dive shop manager said rocky point so I believe he was describing the area where GG claims to have gone into the water. And I think the original discussion was rocks versus sand and I know that area is rocky. So I guess we have another mystery solved.

Okay, what is next???

 

[LambChop]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-murd...ano-calmly-told-authorities/story?id=14403446

I have not seen this report before but it is very interesting. The second video follows and shows the hotel room where GG stayed and the sign outside I believe is downtown so now I am really confused.

 

[Nova]

He also said the thought of the policy now makes him sick (something to that effect) because he wouldn't have gone to jail had it not been for that policy...?? I'm not sure when he said this, but I do know I read it.

I believe you. But if that is an accurate paraphrase, then:

1. He was inventing his disgust because he thought the public would expect him to be appalled at the prospect of "blood money".

2. He is so narcissistic that he mistakenly attributed the "tainting" of the money to how it affected him (prison) rather than to the fact it came to him out of Robyn's tragedy.

GG is quite a piece of work!

(I only said "if that is accurate" above because we are all dependent on media accounts. I wasn't doubting your memory.)

 

[LambChop]

I believe you. But if that is an accurate paraphrase, then:

1. He was inventing his disgust because he thought the public would expect him to be appalled at the prospect of "blood money".

2. He is so narcissistic that he mistakenly attributed the "tainting" of the money to how it affected him (prison) rather than to the fact it came to him out of Robyn's tragedy.

GG is quite a piece of work!

(I only said "if that is accurate" above because we are all dependent on media accounts. I wasn't doubting your memory.)

That had to be one of the "too much detail" moments. lol

 

[vlpate]

I believe you. But if that is an accurate paraphrase, then:

1. He was inventing his disgust because he thought the public would expect him to be appalled at the prospect of "blood money".

2. He is so narcissistic that he mistakenly attributed the "tainting" of the money to how it affected him (prison) rather than to the fact it came to him out of Robyn's tragedy.

GG is quite a piece of work!

(I only said "if that is accurate" above because we are all dependent on media accounts. I wasn't doubting your memory.)

I don't doubt that he said both. I just remember doing a double take when I read or saw it....lemme see if I can find the quote.

 

[Nova]

I don't doubt that he said both. I just remember doing a double take when I read or saw it....lemme see if I can find the quote.

It jives with my recall, too. (And it only suggests he may have a personality disorder; it doesn't prove he killed RG.)

So please don't feel you have to look it up on my account.

As I said, I trust your memory.

 

[LambChop]

I found it interesting that in the video I linked above the reported stated that the information Aruban officials had would be more than enough probable cause evidence to try him had he been in the US. jmo

 

[vlpate]

In this video, at 6:07 - Giordano points out the bathroom Robyn went into "right there". This proves to me that he KNEW those cameras were there and at that angle - and that's why they sat outside - and he knew Robyn would go to the bathroom, apparently she does so often.

He banged on those doors for NO other reason, IMO, than to be on the tape, figuring it would document the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H5aNvNMnAY

 

[LambChop]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-murd...ano-calmly-told-authorities/story?id=14403446

I have not seen this report before but it is very interesting. The second video follows and shows the hotel room where GG stayed and the sign outside I believe is downtown so now I am really confused.

I checked the Marriott Surf Club entrance and they also have the same type of sign. So that may be why it was so confusing to when reporting where they were staying. jmo