ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

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Inconsistencies... (so far!)

GG admits she took the sleeping pill and was drinking. Even if they were both drinking moderately he should have enough sense to know she never should have been in the water. He drove her there and drove her right down to the water's edge. Who in their right mind, who claims to have cared for her, would have allowed her to get into the water. Of course witnesses (more than one) claim she never got in the water, they got in their car and left.....I believe that is a serious inconsistency.
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GG stated that Robyn had taken a sleeping pill earlier in the day and had been drinking. Does that seem consistent with someone you would take snorkeling for their first time ever?

And it was very late in the afternoon---a very silly time to try and snorkel because the water is too dark because of the angle of the sun.

And the witnesses say they saw them walking on the beach, but never entered the water. Other witnesses saw them drive off without entering the water. Those are also inconsistencies in his story.

Add to it the fact that she was dressed with her make up done, her extensions all curled and done up, and she had been leisurely drinking and eating all afternoon---what makes
her suddenly want to snorkel that day?
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GG said he and Robyn went snorkeling, yet a witness said he never saw them go into the water during the timeline GG gave LE.
GG, according to a source, said Robyn had been drinking and took an ambien that day - then says they were a "sober couple".
The terrain GG pointed out to LE as the entry point of their snorkeling adventure, was too rocky for anyone but God to traverse barefoot
GG said the waters were rough at the time they were snorkeling, this was proved untrue
GG says there is a Dutch tourist guide for Aruba that states one should call their insurance carrier if someone goes missing during their visit - but also says his attorney told him to call. Which is it. It can't be the tourist guide because there's not one containing his referenced directive.
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GG claims they went into the water at a specific location and LE, witnesses are saying no way that happened.
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Funny, too, how they never found any blood on the rocks. She cut her toe on the large rock and no blood, had to go back to where they placed the towels to stop the bleeding and no blood, anywhere, except on the towel. When you cut your toe and it's bleeding, it bleeds alot but there is no sign of blood anywhere on, near or around that area. It was dry, blood was not going anywhere had it been there. Investigators were there within 20 minutes.....so where was the blood??? It's not like GG could ditch the towel as it belongs to the hotel and you are accountable for it. Sounds as if this could be another of T. Stein's "inconsistencies".
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Fact remains that GG gave a statement regarding where they went in. There was no mistake because there were markers on the ground. He pointed out the rock she cut her toe on. All of that was investigated prior to the reenactment. The reenactment was done because the facts did not match his story big time. He is the one who pointed everything out, he is the one who gave his statement if the facts don't match then this is why GG is their primary suspect.
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In this reenactment at the 2:07 point you can see the actor running and he appears wet. Next frame shows GG and he does not appear to be wet at all. Witnesses say his bathing suit was dry. So why would the actor still be wet and GG was already dry?? My guess is another inconsistency. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/robyn-gardners-final-moments-reenacted-aruba-14562389
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GG tells RG's mother that he got his sneakers wet while searching for her daughter. He claims he was snorkeling with his shoes on so why would he say he "got is sneakers wet" when they were supposed to already be wet from snorkeling????

GG telling the agent RG was going to take another flight??

ML, GG's first attorney will not confirm or deny any statements GG has made only stating that ML is ethically bound, as any defense attorney, not to discuss his case without permission. What ML did say was that GG knows what we discussed. GG can give his attorney permission to back up his story which he obviously has not done.

RG was not physically prepared to go snorkeling. We see her enter the bathroom and return and she has not changed into her bathing suit. Where they were suppose to be snorkeling was only 100 yards from the restaurant where she could have changed and she did not do so. She was there the day before so she was quite aware there was no place to change on the beach.

GG had to wear sneakers (he admits) into the water but claims RG went in barefoot even after severely cutting her toe enough to leave blood on a towel.

She appears to be wearing one dress for two days and yet her dress was found tossed over onto the rocks quite a distance from the towels. The car was right there so why wouldn't she put it in the car rather than risk it being torn by the jagged rocks??? And where were her shoes???? If they were in the car why wouldn't her dress be in there also?
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the fact GG stated RG was planning on having her hair extensions re-done when she returned home; her friend and hairdresser refuted this saying she just had them done and there was no plan to do them any time soon (paraphrased).
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As for GG laying down the towels it appears they were on part of the road area. Not the best to sit or lie down on to get a tan (another inconsistency I'm guessing).
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Another inconsistency, is GG claiming on GMA that his attorney was the one who told him to call the insurance company and report her missing. So he would lead us to believe he contacted the attorney to get advice about the insurance company which would have cost him a couple of dollars. JB then interrupts GG and claims that ML wanted GG to sign an agreement for 1/3 of the insurance money. The fee for a personal injury lawsuit is 1/3 of monies you receive as a settlement. So who was suing GG, or was it who GG feared might be suing him for that money. GG was clearly the beneficiary in the policy and certainly didn't have to ask an attorney for advice on whether or not to call the insurance company. He could call the insurance company and get that advice for free. Also, GG claims he has always purchased insurance when traveling and it appears he has traveled quite a bit so I would think he had read his policy and would already know that detail.

Then you have the media reporting that GG told ML he was no longer permitted to speak to the media which leads us to believe ML was relaying information that may have conflicted with what he had told LE or others. ML now claims after GG's interview with GMA that he can't speak because of the attorney/client privilege other than to say that GG knows what we discussed.

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inconsistencies. Such as JB claiming on national TV that GG didn't need 1.5 million dollars. Ha! He's so clueless he doesn't even know how ridiculous he sounds.

Suspect in Aruba claimed money woes

"A January filing says that when his child support was set in 2009, Mr. Giordano’s monthly income in 2009 was $4,827 — or about $58,000 annually. At that time, he was paying $616 per month.
“Since that order, there has been a material change in circumstances,” the court filing says.
It asks a judge to reconsider the child-support amount Mr. Giordano paid based on 2010 financial records that indicated his earnings were “significantly lower than the figure used for calculating support at the last hearing.” BBM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...disqus_thread6
 
  • #602
American Woman Died in Aruba
December 29, 2011

An American woman is dead after an apparent drowning at Baby Beach, a popular tourist spot on the island of Aruba. This sad case comes just a few months after the disappearance of Robyn Gardner, who is believed to have died in the same area.

Sources report that 48-year-old Jing Wei was with her husband at Baby Beach when she allegedly succumbed to the waters and drowned. She was retrieved from the water and other tourists attempted to resuscitate the American tourist. Unfortunately, by the time an ambulance transported her to the hospital she was pronounced dead. It's reported that her husband was so frantic that he went into shock.

This drowning is currently being investigated by Aruban officials, but they have acknowledged that they don't suspect foul play in this incident. It appears that sometimes the beautiful waters surrounding the island of Aruba can be treacherous.

What does this mean for Robyn Gardner?

Gardner, who vanished in Aruba, still hasn't been found; but she allegedly vanished from the same spot where Jing Wei drowned on Friday night. When Gary Giordano was arrested, he claimed that Robyn Gardner had been swept out to see while snorkeling at Baby Beach. Could he have been telling the truth all along?


Gary Giordano is free now, back in the States after spending 116 days in jail on the Aruban island. He still, to this day, maintains the claims that Robyn was swept out to sea. He swears that he didn't harm the missing woman.

Knowing that someone has drowned at Baby Beach has cast a sort of new look at Gary Giordano's story. Whether he's telling the truth or not, however, doesn't change how tragic this recent death is. Nonetheless, it could be something that may help this man in the future in case he is ever put on trial.

Chelsea Hoffman is a prolific crime writer and fiction author with several works published. Her writing has been recognized by such entities as NBC Dateline and several others. Contact her directly by visiting [link removed]. Subscribe to stay up-to-date on the latest in true crime and niche entertainment.

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980960517

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These prolific crime writers are something.

What is the correlation between these two stories ? This lady drowned and her body was recovered. Does that mean if Robyn drowned, her body would have had to have been recovered and not possible for it to drift out to sea ? And thus Gary is lying ?

The way she words it, it sounds the opposite, like this story supports Gary's story somehow ? Something supporting like yes it is possible to drown in the ocean ?

And just love this thought provoking statement she makes.
It appears that sometimes the beautiful waters surrounding the island of Aruba can be treacherous.
 
  • #603
"My professional judgment about Mr. Giordano was that he was not to be believed at any level about anything."

"I absolutely believe that Mr. Giordano, based on my experience defending my client, that he is capable of manufacturing out of whole cloth a story and then pursuing it to abnormal ends," Murphy said.


so-- as we already know-- GG lies... like a toupee, er, rug.

he was in "financial distress" and was clearly living way beyond his means (million dollar home, expensive vehicle) or he lied about his income to avoid childcare payments/taxes -- as neesaki theorized...

add a history of theft, fraud, and law suits...

doesn't take too much to add 1+1 imo.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robyn-gardner-missing-aruba-suspect-gary-giordanos-5m/story?id=14379154

(i'm sure this article has been posted before but maybe not all have seen it)
 
  • #604
American Woman Died in Aruba
December 29, 2011

An American woman is dead after an apparent drowning at Baby Beach, a popular tourist spot on the island of Aruba. This sad case comes just a few months after the disappearance of Robyn Gardner, who is believed to have died in the same area.

Sources report that 48-year-old Jing Wei was with her husband at Baby Beach when she allegedly succumbed to the waters and drowned. She was retrieved from the water and other tourists attempted to resuscitate the American tourist. Unfortunately, by the time an ambulance transported her to the hospital she was pronounced dead. It's reported that her husband was so frantic that he went into shock.

This drowning is currently being investigated by Aruban officials, but they have acknowledged that they don't suspect foul play in this incident. It appears that sometimes the beautiful waters surrounding the island of Aruba can be treacherous.

What does this mean for Robyn Gardner?

Gardner, who vanished in Aruba, still hasn't been found; but she allegedly vanished from the same spot where Jing Wei drowned on Friday night. When Gary Giordano was arrested, he claimed that Robyn Gardner had been swept out to see while snorkeling at Baby Beach. Could he have been telling the truth all along?


Gary Giordano is free now, back in the States after spending 116 days in jail on the Aruban island. He still, to this day, maintains the claims that Robyn was swept out to sea. He swears that he didn't harm the missing woman.

Knowing that someone has drowned at Baby Beach has cast a sort of new look at Gary Giordano's story. Whether he's telling the truth or not, however, doesn't change how tragic this recent death is. Nonetheless, it could be something that may help this man in the future in case he is ever put on trial.

Chelsea Hoffman is a prolific crime writer and fiction author with several works published. Her writing has been recognized by such entities as NBC Dateline and several others. Contact her directly by visiting [link removed]. Subscribe to stay up-to-date on the latest in true crime and niche entertainment.

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474980960517

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These prolific crime writers are something.

What is the correlation between these two stories ? This lady drowned and her body was recovered. Does that mean if Robyn drowned, her body would have had to have been recovered and not possible for it to drift out to sea ? And thus Gary is lying ?

The way she words it, it sounds the opposite, like this story supports Gary's story somehow ? Something supporting like yes it is possible to drown in the ocean ?

And just love this thought provoking statement she makes.
It appears that sometimes the beautiful waters surrounding the island of Aruba can be treacherous.

I agree that the writer is making a confusing set of statements. Just how does this drowning support GG? This woman was found and the husband went into shock. Different circs altogether. imo
 
  • #605
Sorry to confuse you, but yes, I am speaking to JB, here:


you weren't confusing at all. you had questions for JB and asked - whether he reads here or not. (does it really matter?)
 
  • #606
you weren't confusing at all. you had questions for JB and asked - whether he reads here or not. (does it really matter?)

If he doesn't read here, how will he know there is a question ?
 
  • #607
I agree that the writer is making a confusing set of statements. Just how does this drowning support GG? This woman was found and the husband went into shock. Different circs altogether. imo

Thank you for agreeing.

I already said how it supports Mr Giordano.
 
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I absolutely agree that the media inconsistencies have caused a lot of confusion with distorting the facts.
 
  • #610
Chelsea Hoffman is a prolific crime writer and fiction author


hmmm. what does she know about ocean currents that others don't? i thought it was stated that drowned bodies are recovered or would end up in venezuela? where are those maps again?


and "prolific"? her words... from her bio on her website lol

http://www.[link removed]/p/bioabout.html
 
  • #611
JW appeared to be right at the opening of the cove where the ocean water flows in and out. RG and GG were supposedly not in the cove but out in the open water. If they found JW right there she was not pulled out by any currents, IMO. It does nothing for GG story to prove or disprove what he claims. People drown in Aruba every year, the same would be true of any coastal area, lakes, pools, etc. Only if they were unable to find her body would JW's drowning be relevant because her husband was right there, same as GG claims. More of an argument that RG may not have gone into the water at that location. jmo
 
  • #612
JW appeared to be right at the opening of the cove where the ocean water flows in and out. RG and GG were supposedly not in the cove but out in the open water. If they found JW right there she was not pulled out by any currents, IMO. It does nothing for GG story to prove or disprove what he claims. People drown in Aruba every year, the same would be true of any coastal area, lakes, pools, etc. Only if they were unable to find her body would JW's drowning be relevant because her husband was right there, same as GG claims. More of an argument that RG may not have gone into the water at that location. jmo

This makes so much sense.

Thank you, I never thought of it like that.
 
  • #613
hmmm. what does she know about ocean currents that others don't? i thought it was stated that drowned bodies are recovered or would end up in venezuela? where are those maps again?


and "prolific"? her words... from her bio on her website lol

http://www.[link removed]/p/bioabout.html

Please read my original post again.

Hardly likely that I acknowledge this person as an expert in anything, quite the opposite.
 
  • #614
hmmm. what does she know about ocean currents that others don't? i thought it was stated that drowned bodies are recovered or would end up in venezuela? where are those maps again?


and "prolific"? her words... from her bio on her website lol
http://www.[link removed]/p/bioabout.html

BBM: I think what redheadedgal was stating here is that this is Chelsea's bio that she, herself has written. No one else is describing her as prolific she is doing so herself making it look as if someone else is making this statement. There are no quote marks so she is basically describing herself as prolific..... At least that is the way I this post to mean. jmo
 
  • #615
Please read my original post again.

Hardly likely that I acknowledge this person as an expert in anything, quite the opposite.


"expert"? i never used that word.

imo that article and the commentary on it was posted to support GG's version of events so therefore you found her credible. not an expert, but credible.

i stand by my initial impression. if you've changed your mind since posting it -and it looks like you did- i'm glad LC was around to add her :twocents:
 
  • #616
"expert"? i never used that word.

imo that article and the commentary on it was posted to support GG's version of events.

i stand by my initial impression. if you've changed your mind since posting it -and it looks like you did- i'm glad LC was around to add her :twocents:

I am sorry, you both are totally correct, what could I have been thinking.

This person is a absolute supporter of Mr Giordano.

If a person drowns and there is no body, clearly the person the drowned person was with must have killed that person or else there would be a body.
 
  • #617
No, that is not correct. The point being made here is that anyone can write an article about anything and claim to be anyone they chose to be and use the terms "prolific" to describe themselves, it does not mean that they are and she clearly provided no proof of anything other than someone drowned. She was giving an opinion same as we do here. Does not mean it is right or wrong, it's just an opinion not based on any facts. jmo
 
  • #618
I wonder if GG and JB were paid for those interviews? Videos of GG's reunion with his sons were played so GMA and the other interviewing programs would have had a reason to pay him for the videos according to what they have stated is their policy. jmo
 
  • #619
If he doesn't read here, how will he know there is a question ?

Excuse me? Are you taking these questions "literally?" Neesaki is not asking JB to actually answer these questions--

Can we get past the literary meaning of every sentence and back to RG missing in Aruba?
 
  • #620
Ok, just so I understand correctly.


Since this happened to Robyn on the eastern tip of Aruba where the ocean waves and currents around the island do not constantly push toward the shore and the ocean waves and currents are stronger around channel openings, and the ends of islands, etc., etc.

Every drowning victim's body will wash back to shore even when the island only has a 25 mile long shoreline to catch it ?

Am I correct in this ?
 
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