Attorney Seeks To Spare Casey Anthony From Death Penalty

[RR0004]

Ok, I am not 100% on this. He goes...

There was going to be a trial for the check fraud and then a trial for Caylee.
Two seperate pre-trials also. The check stuff was asked to be move up so it would come after the Caylee trial so this memo or motion or whateve it is called that DotsEyes is talking about is for the trial for Caylee.

Respectfully snipped from "DotEyes" earlier post...

The defense has submitted a memo outling its argument against a capital trial. Since we haven't heard that the State intends to seek the DP, I would rule out that this is a Memorandum in Opposition to a Sate motion. However, this was pre-trial hearing, which is the time for pre-trial motions on issues such as defenses. This is likely a memorandum of law and evidence on the issues in dispute. (If there were no issues in dispute, there would be no need for a trial). I don't know why NG made such a huge deal of this tonight.

See what I mean? This wasn't mentioned at the hearing today, right? Today's hearing was postponed to a later date. Point being, this memo was leaked for other purposes. It may be the "norm", but why leak it?

 

[shadow of my mind]

I'll tell ya, this about-face on the accidental death scenario makes Baez look like a dumb@$$. If I lived in Orlando, I wouldn't want him as my attorney.

I still want to know who is paying the tab. Doesn't sound like they are getting the monies worth. Or they are.

All according to how you look at it.

 

[essies]

If she wasn't a bad mother in CA's opinion, why was she chatting with the therapist about custody and tough love?

Well, I guess you have to understand how Cindy catergorizes things. There are certain levels of motherhood. She tells LE that KC is not a bad mother-so that must mean bad mothers are capable of hurting their children. KC tells Lee that Cindy tells her she is an unfit mother-so that must mean she is just not responsible. So, apparently she was seeing the therapist because KC was just unfit,not because she was bad! Now, if you're an Anthony that might make sense to you!:bang:

 

[shadow of my mind]

Respectfully snipped from "DotEyes" earlier post...

The defense has submitted a memo outling its argument against a capital trial. Since we haven't heard that the State intends to seek the DP, I would rule out that this is a Memorandum in Opposition to a Sate motion. However, this was pre-trial hearing, which is the time for pre-trial motions on issues such as defenses. This is likely a memorandum of law and evidence on the issues in dispute. (If there were no issues in dispute, there would be no need for a trial). I don't know why NG made such a huge deal of this tonight.

See what I mean? This wasn't mentioned at the hearing today, right? Today's hearing was postponed to a later date. Point being, this memo was leaked for other purposes. It may be the "norm", but why leak it?

If it was leaked? To see what Joe Q Public thinks about the idea of taken the DP off the table. No big crowds of protesters maybe the prosecution might give them what they want. IMO

 

[OneLostGrl]

Everyone changes after they have a child. It is a life changing event. My own dear daughter in law, who recently gave birth August 11th-had a transformation so miraculous that it is absolutely visible. She GLOWS with the happiness that this event has given her, and she matured post haste with the coming of the child. Not so Casey. Why? Was she mentally ill or was she just narcisticly preoccupied with CASEY? Let's look at it.

She did not want to keep the baby.
She did not even acknowledge to friends and family that she WAS pregnant until she was in her 7th month.
She QUIT HER JOB with the birth of the baby BUT continued to LIE and say she WAS working so she could ESCAPE for those hours every day-so she could get away from Caylee.
Now, for the next almost 3 years:
She continues to PRETEND and LIE that she has a job that she MUST go to, and at ODD hours many times (a way to get out with her friends and her men)
She has no money, so she steals, steals and steals some more to pay her own desires: clothing, eating-out, jewelry, gas, SUNGLASSES and God only knows what else she spent all the money that she stole on. And THIS rather than get a JOB, because that would mean she had NO free time just for CASEY, and let's face it, there is NOBODY that means a thing to Casey BUT Casey.
She is sleeping with one man after another, lining one up before the next is gone-keeping herself from BEING alone and lonely. She was YOUNG and she wanted to BE young, and here she was saddled down with this BABY that she did not want and was FORCED to keep by mommy dearest.
She is lying, lying, lying to cover ALL of this up, and somewhere along the line she slipped into the land of no return, where there is no lie that will cover what has happened. She HARMED HER CHILD and LIKELY CAUSED HER DEATH. She did this by engaging in selfish acts year after year and putting Casey's needs ahead of everything and anything. She manipulated those around her with seemingly effortless ease, and she THOUGHT that this would be the same: Just one more lie to tell and I am FREE! But it didn't work out that way for her. And now, here we all are today, wondering HOW in the name of ZEUS she thinks that is going to fly-the I had post-partum depression SCHEME?

It did not LOOK like ppd...Andrea Yates FIT THE TICKET/Casey Anthony does NOT. She had post partum I do not want to be a mother, never wanted to be a mother and will not be a mother when I am DONE-she had a PLAN and she made a DECISION and she killed her child and did God only knows what with her, and no amount of baby-pictures or insane theories is going to change that. She took her daughters life, and should lose her own, in my own opinion.

:clap: :clap:

 

[RR0004]

I still want to know who is paying the tab. Doesn't sound like they are getting the monies worth. Or they are.

All according to how you look at it.

I'd like to know. On NG tonight they mentioned the As could have received up to $200,000 for selling the rights to the pics and video that was seen last week on the Today Show. Can you imagine then taking that money and paying it out to defend the person who could very well be responsible for that child no longer being here? I won't watch the show anymore.

 

[RR0004]

If it was leaked? To see what Joe Q Public thinks about the idea of taken the DP off the table. No big crowds of protesters maybe the prosecution might give them what they want. IMO

I don't think it was leaked by the State. I think the defense did it. That's what makes it strange. Not the fact that it was written, but that they put it out there for public consumption.

 

[DotsEyes]

But, I thought the pre-trial was on the check charges...not the murder charges? So why send it out now? (I think it was obviously leaked.) The prosecution I thought has till the 24th of November to make a decision. If the State says they have no knowledge of this "memo", then I can assume it was leaked for a reason...whether it's part of the process or not.

Thanks for pointing out my error on the issues at pre-trial today.

My explanation does not change, the 30 page Memorandum was likely done for the pre-trial on murder charges. I can add that it is not unusual for Judges to request additional Memorandum of Law and Evidence on the issues and it is required that the parties submit to the court and one another pre-trial memorandum in support of their position on issues.

I don't think this was anything more than standard pleadings procedures.

And before anyone asks, yes, I think the defense is looking at a defense of mental instability as a possibility. They will perhaps try to show that KC was a totally normal kid until after the birth of Caylee and that since her birth KC has been acting out abnormally.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Anybody notice this little paragraph at

http://www.wftv.com/news/17912485/detail.html



One attorney sees the light and is trying to be a real defense lawyer, and Baez is still trying to play one on TV.

I disagree. Baez is actually being quite smart.. for the first time he is using his head. There is no way a NGBRI defense would work in this case and I believe he knows it. IMO he is a bit more qualified at judging Casey's state of mind then this new lawyer is. Jose knows Casey quite well, they spent countless hours together hiding out in his office while she was out on bail.

If it's true that Baez is not going to try to use a NGBRI defense IMO he is the one using his head.

 

[shadow of my mind]

The whole grabbing the money thing just rubs me the wrong way. I don't know. I guess it must be the only way they can come up with a chunk of change to try to keep Casey from going to death row. I try and put myself in their shoes and think how I would feel. Caylee is gone. Do I help my daughter get a defense team to spare her life or do I watch her go to jail and maybe die also. Just can't wrap my head around it. My son would not have ever been allowed to do the things that Casey did with or without a baby of his own.

 

[Spangle]

She was stealing from Cindy and from her grandparents prior to Caylee's disappearance, she was working at a pretend job, she was leaving Caylee with a pretend babysitter. In hindsight, much of what Casey did was erratic and not entirely rational, but that is not how she was described by anyone in the LE interviews.

She rationalized it as what she had to say or do, to get people to do things for her,while she did nothing. No job, etc.

Her family seemed fine with her having a job, and not sharing her pay check. So she didn't need a job if they paid all the real bills. And they might have thought she was paying child care expenses.

 

[shgrbkr]

I have posted this link which I found to be very interesting, paricularly subsection 5. This is where aggravating circumstances and mitigating circumstances are defined. The wording of the indictments rang in my head as I read the agg circ. list. In retrospect, it sounds as if the prosecution has had the DP in mind all along and are really gunning for it. To me, KC qualifies for so many of these that any mitigating circ. that might apply are outweighed.
Of course, I realize the lawyers are simply doing what they need to do, and that is to put a spin on this case that saves KC life in the end.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes..._Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

 

[shadow of my mind]

Time for bed. I have now officialy been up for 36 hours and I can't spell medium sized words when I am awake but now I am starting to spell the little one wrong too. Good night everyone. Happy Sleuthing

 

[technicalconfusion]

I disagree. Baez is actually being quite smart.. for the first time he is using his head. There is no way a NGBRI defense would work in this case and I believe he knows it. IMO he is a bit more qualified at judging Casey's state of mind then this new lawyer is. Jose knows Casey quite well, they spent countless hours together hiding out in his office while she was out on bail.

If it's true that Baez is not going to try to use a NGBRI defense IMO he is the one using his head.

It took me 10 minutes to figure out what NGBRI means, I'll have you know.

 

[magic-cat]

It took me 10 minutes to figure out what NGBRI means, I'll have you know.

Now that;s funny right there! lol:crazy:

 

[magic-cat]

I have posted this link which I found to be very interesting, paricularly subsection 5. This is where aggravating circumstances and mitigating circumstances are defined. The wording of the indictments rang in my head as I read the agg circ. list. In retrospect, it sounds as if the prosecution has had the DP in mind all along and are really gunning for it. To me, KC qualifies for so many of these that any mitigating circ. that might apply are outweighed.
Of course, I realize the lawyers are simply doing what they need to do, and that is to put a spin on this case that saves KC life in the end.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes..._Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0921/Sec141.HTM

VERY interesting read and I daresay theyve got her on her quite a few aggravating cisrcumstances and not too many mitigating in her fav...GOOD!

 

[skygirl]

Isn't 2 1/2 years a little late PPD.

In most cases, yes. BUT, if the post-partum depression is not treated or not treated properly, and she has other 'events' happening that add to the depression. It can continue and snowball until she gets help or .................

Connection with the child is key. I can only suspect, from all I've read, and listened to on tapes, the dynamics of the mother child relationship have been (ca,kc,caylee)skewed from the begining of Cayles' birth. Fuel on the fire, so to speak. Support systems during this crutial time of the early stages of parenting are important. SUPPORTtrue, unconditional, you can do this, and I have your back IF need me, kind of support. Can anyone think of someone in Caseys' life who fits this description? I have not heard of such person.

Now don't get me wrong. Casey was an adult living at home. And was blessed to have gparents to help with the childcare. I also heard/read it was 99% of the time, So again, this adds to the unconvetional dynamics. Seems there was a 'power' struggle, among other issues. Too many to get into at this time.

Some Grandmas don't respect boundries, although they mean well. And in this household dynamic, I can assume the boundries were blurred, probably non-exsistant.

jmho

Please understand I have NO IDEA how she could have done such a thing most of us will never ever comprehend doing to our own or someone else's little one. And can't figure out why she didn't get help when that terrible time came?

LWOP-would be fitting. General population. If she is truly not legally mental.

 

[poco]

I think once this goes to court we will all finally understand why she did what she did. All will be revealed. :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

 

[BeanE]

I was wondering about the "unanswered" questions if this weren't to go to trial. I really don't care who Caylee's father is...but I do believe HE has the right to know. Especially, if they're able to bring her home and put her to rest.

I don't care who Caylee's father is either, and I don't think it's relevant to the case. You have an excellent point there, though, that HE has the right to 1) know he's her father, and 2) get the answers he needs so he can try to resolve all this in his own mind.

I wonder if a man goes to the prosecution and wants a DNA test to see if he might be the father, if they'll provide the DNA info necessary, and if he does turn out to be the father, if he is legally entitled to the answers and info. And how much info he's entitled to. I don't know of any cases with these kinds of circumstances.

Would he have to go to court to get the info? Or what is he entitled to by law that prosecution or LE has to give him if he has his DNA paper in hand saying he's the father? Or how much info would they give him just as a courtesy?

Also, how much privacy would he be entitled to? There could be a guy out there thinking he might be the father and want some answers, but is hesitant to come forward because of the circus this case is. Maybe he could get privacy protection either legally, or by just asking for LE/prosecution to agree to keep his info private.

Very interesting topic for a thread in itself I think, RR004. Thanks for bringing it up. Many questions there to be answered. Well... brings up many questions for me anyway lol.

ETA: fixing my grammar. Dear God. Need coffee.

 

[BeanE]

I think once this goes to court we will all finally understand why she did what she did. All will be revealed. :crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

Lol. They could give me an encyclopedia for this case, and I'd still never understand it.