AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #1

[TootsieFootsie]

Inmate suspect in mum-daughter murder

A suspect has been reportedly identified in the murder of Alice Springs mother Karlie Jade Pearce-Stevenson and her young daughter.

Police on Wednesday released the name of the mother, whose remains were found in NSW in 2010, and her two-year-old girl Khandalyce Pearce-Stevenson, whose remains were found dumped with a suitcase in South Australia in July.

A day later, Fairfax Media is reporting investigators have identified a male suspect who is serving a prison sentence in NSW for unrelated offences.

The report follows a deluge of calls to police after the victims' names were made public.

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/10/22/man-suspected-in-double-murder--reports.html

 

[Rayemonde]

Does anyone else think this case is as good as solved?

Recent article of the suspect in jail already mentions the word PAIR ....So they know who she was with... The article is about a suspect!!.... I wouldn't expect them to reporting of mother and child as the "Pair"...this is a couple... This dogs days are numbered!!!

http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/wynarka-murder-male-suspect-identified/story-fnii5yv4-1227579117725

Sounds to me like mother and daughter are the pair.

day after police revealed the identities of the pair — a two-year old found in a suitcase near Wynarka in South Australia in July and her 20-year-old mother found in Belanglo State Forest in 2010 — investigators are looking into the movements of the man who is understood to be awaiting sentence on unrelated charges.

 

[Rayemonde]

Recap on suitcase man:

Police believe the Lanza suitcase containing Khandalyce’s skeletal remains, a quilt and clothing was dumped behind a tree around 10m off the Karoonda Hwy, 1.5km west of Wynarka, in either late March or early April this year.
It was partially emptied behind the tree, where the remains were found, before being dragged closer to the highway, where many people inspected its contents in the ensuing months...

Major Crime detectives are still attempting to locate a mystery man seen carrying the suitcase in and around Wynarka. Police have 15 confirmed sightings of the caucasian man, aged in his 60s, carrying the suitcase in and around Wynarka between April 13 and May 26.
He had a neat appearance, was of light build and of average height. Last month, detectives investigating the case said he was a person of interest and his role would only be determined by locating him and speaking to him

http://www.news.com.au/national/cri...violently-killed/story-fns0kb1g-1227578721763

 

[crabstick]

Are they using the word pair as a legal matter? They are no longer allowed to refer to mother and daughter?

Or is it relating to the recent pairing of the two bodies? Pairing the two cases? It sounds odd though.

I only see the word PAIR relating to the victims.

Sounds to me like mother and daughter are the pair.

So the current suspect is in prison on unrelated charges. Waiting to see what he is serving prison for.

 

[JaneSA]

I think the suitcase and remains were hidden in a basement crawl space or an attic or an old shed. At some point, some one was selling their property. or cleaning it out, and realized it hAD TO GO. Maybe the perp was in prison and the property owner found the suitcase and knew it was time to get it off their property. JMO

That's feasible, buy WHY did they keep the remains and the case?

 

[Eloise]

I don't think the word pair has any deep or legal meaning. It's just the writing style.

 

[Makara]

Are they using the word pair as a legal matter? They are no longer allowed to refer to mother and daughter?

Or is it relating to the recent pairing of the two bodies? Pairing the two cases? It sounds odd though.

So the current suspect is in prison on unrelated charges. Waiting to see what he is serving prison for.

What would be the legalities in using the word 'pair'? Why would 'they' no longer be allowed to refer to mother and daughter? I'm sorry but that just does not make any sense at all. The term "the pair" is relating to Karlie and her daugher Khandalyce. And who is the infamous 'they' you refer to? The police have stated that this is a joint investigation into the murder of both Karlie and her daughter encompassing the states of NSW, South Australia,the ACT and the Northern Territory at last report. I really don't think there is any hidden agenda here. The investigators want whoever murdered Karlie and Khandalyce and IMO they have them very firmly in their sights.

 

[Rayemonde]

That's feasible, buy WHY did they keep the remain and the case?

I don't agree that the killer had an emotional attachment to the child and kept and "cherished" her possessions. The clothing and blanket were mouldy and disintegrating, and
I don't think that would have happened in the time that they were by the roadside. I think theory were put somewhere damp after the murder and then ignored for years. I agree with an earlier poster who said the killer may simply have been lazy - they obviously had a safe spot that the suitcase and body fit into and where they were not at much risk of being discovered, so why bother moving them? Until something changed and they needed to be moved.

 

[louisepiglet]

Another thing that's "odd".

Police have stated that the dumping of Karlie's body in Belangalo Forest might be an attempt to make it look like another Milat killing.
That makes sense. That seems like the action of a logical person.

Yet the person who thought that scheme up and carefully removed any evidence that might assist in identifying Karlie's body for over 5 years just doesn't seem like the same sort of person who dumped the suitcase.

After all, what finally cracked the identification was the quilt and the pink dress that was with the child's body in the suitcase.

It's odd that one murder was so carefully concealed deep in the bush, and yet the other, which would frankly have been much easier to conceal due to the tiny skeleton, seems almost to have been intentionally left to be found surrounded by abundant clues close to a road.

Surely there has to be 2 different people with different motives involved here. Doesn't there?

It seems to me that "suitcase man" was trying to be seen. Why not just dump the suitcase in the middle of nowhere and be on your way . Why pick a small town to wander around in where you would stick out like a sore thumb. Perhaps "suitcase man" was terminally ill and didnt care about being identified.

 

[JaneSA]

Police explain pulling of missing persons file on murdered pair

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...on-murdered-pair/story-e6frg6nf-1227579102758

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So this police statement makes it clear that Karlie's mother had received contact from Karlie.

 

[crabstick]

It was the only reason I could think of that the journalist would use the term 'pair' Makara because it just sounds like such poor grammar from a journalist.
It was ok, this must be because police want names suppressed for a pending case, or another media outlet had threatened copyright. Name supression. 'Pair' sounded so odd, it only could be a legal term or a legal matter.

'They' is a broad term for, I dont know. Police, journalists, who ever has had placed a possible suppression order on them and the public and media.
The possibility with such a high profile in the media that the victims names are no longer permitted.
The only reason I could think in reference to why a user asked the reason for using the word 'pair'. It is such an odd word in this case. The word 'pair' sounds very disconnected from the case. The word pair sounds very impersonal Makara.
Pair is not a term I would use for mother and daughter, more so murder victims.

Is it going to be a closed trial? This could be a reason for name suppression?

Either way, pending its not a closed trial, looking forward to the case, and how it panned out. Relieved

What would be the legalities in using the word 'pair'? Why would 'they' no longer be allowed to refer to mother and daughter? I'm sorry but that just does not make any sense at all. The term "the pair" is relating to Karlie and her daugher Khandalyce. And who is the infamous 'they' you refer to? The police have stated that this is a joint investigation into the murder of both Karlie and her daughter encompassing the states of NSW, South Australia and the ACT at last report. I really don't think there is any hidden agenda here. They investigators want whoever murdered Karlie and Khandalyce and IMO they have them very firmly in their sights.

 

[Makara]

I don't agree that the killer had an emotional attachment to the child and kept and "cherished" her possessions. The clothing and blanket were mouldy and disintegrating, and
I don't think that would have happened in the time that they were by the roadside. I think theory were put somewhere damp after the murder and then ignored for years. I agree with an earlier poster who said the killer may simply have been lazy - they obviously had a safe spot that the suitcase and body fit into and where they were not at much risk of being discovered, so why bother moving them? Until something changed and they needed to be moved.

I agree Raymonde, I don't think there was ever any emotional attachment to the remains of Khandalyce. Just cold, calculating self preservation on the part of the killer and any of their accomplices. I truly believe that the suitcase was hurled from a car or truck and it landed somewhere off the Karoonda Highway. It was later inspected and moved by various people until it was finally discovered that there were human remains inside.

I also personally don't believe that the suitcase man had anything whatsoever to do with the dumping of the suitcase near Wynarka.

 

[Makara]

It was the only reason I could think of that the journalist would use the term 'pair' Makara because it just sounds like such poor grammar from a journalist.
It was ok, this must be because police want names suppressed for a pending case, or another media outlet had threatened copyright. Name supression. 'Pair' sounded so odd, it only could be a legal term or a legal matter.

'They' is a broad term for, I dont know. Police, journalists, who ever has placed a possible suppression order on someone.
The possibility with such a high profile in the media that the victims names are no longer permitted.
The only reason I could think in reference to why a user asked the reason for using the word 'pair'. It is such an odd word in this case. The wrod 'pair' sounds very disconnected from the case.

Is it going to be a closed trial? This could be a reason?

BBM: I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. There haven't been any charges as yet so a closed trial is not even up for debate.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Boxer shorts found near a girls' body are part of boys 'Holden Commodore' pyjama set

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...lly-clothes-tag-identified.html#ixzz3pIxorcn1


A major focus of the investigation is finding the Holden Commodore that Karlie and her daughter were last seen driving in when they were pulled over by police near Coober Pedy.

http://www.news.com.au/national/sou...spect-identified/story-fnii5yv4-1227579117725

Not important at all, but somehow remarkably.

 

[louisepiglet]

LE's repeated description of the injuries inflicted being horrific leads me to thinking that these were not domestic violence deaths.

 

[MsDee]

I think that this is going to turn out to be a case of a scum of the earth control freak who killed both of them, possibly at different times. I think he would have killed the little one first. Maybe he tried to pass it off as an accident to Karlie, but told her they couldn't report it, for any number of reasons.

I don't think the little girl was treated any differently, I think she was simply a much smaller body, and he may have been eyeing off their suitcase as the place to stash her when he first did it. As good a place as any.

Another possibility was that the suitcase could have been left in the backseat or boot of Karlies car. Car is the site of the murder, so has forensic clues all over it. I can well believe that with the windows down on a car, left out in the open, or under a bunch of trees or bushes, a suitcase would end up looking like it did. Rain, moisture, animals passing through. It could have been pushed into a river or dam, maybe just partially submerged. On one of those properties in and around Wynarka, or elsewhere, it would not stand out.

Maybe the killer did what he did, dumped Karlies body in Belanglo, then drove the car back to wherever with the little girl's body in there as well as the suitcase. Fast forward 5 yrs, and for whatever reason, someone else decides it is time to dispose of it, as there has been too much heat on the perp. This someone else may have known about this all along, or may have been told to go and move it. Enter suitcase man.

The fact that the reported suitcase was a different colour is alarming, and enough people said the same thing so you can't discount it.

Maybe it goes back to the theory that he was carrying the beaten up suitcase inside the better looking one, as the blue suitcase was too beaten up. If so, police would have a good idea of who he is now, and may have already spoken to him.

 

[crabstick]

It all appears to be happening quite fast so I dont know. But my wife has called me an idiot. Time for bed me thinks me lady, x

BBM: I think you're jumping the gun a bit here. There haven't been any charges as yet so a closed trial is not even up for debate.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

http://www.news.com.au/national/sou...spect-identified/story-fnii5yv4-1227579117725

Ms Pearce-Stevenson&#8217;s mother, Colleen Povey, died in 2012. It is understood her family believed Ms Pearce-Stevenson was still alive but estranged.

bbm
Accordingly, there was previously some partner, I think. Certainly the father of little "Angel" isn't meant because it seems he wasn't an accompaniment on this journey.

 

[MsDee]

Pair is not a term I would use for mother and daughter, more so murder victims.

"Pair" is simply a way of referring to the two of them collectively, without saying the more cumbersome "mother and daughter."

They have used this term for no other reason than simple succinct editing. Nothing sinister, it is a very common term, which to my knowledge does not have any special legal standing whatsoever.

We will probably see it a lot more too.

 

[Dogface]

I find it odd the neighbor said "it wouldn't matter what my kids did, I would be looking for them" as it hints of some possible trouble. I wonder how long mom/grandmother had been married to stepdad? Sometimes family changes are very difficult for children, even older ones. And the fact that there was issues with the father of her child. Perhaps a combination or either one alone were why she chose to leave.

In regards to the killer and how the bodies were disposed...I think they were killed at the same time, or very close together. Perhaps mom went to pick fruit that day and came home to her baby murdered, and was subsequently murdered herself.

The disposal of the bodies leads me to think a few things, but read/believe with caution because I am usually wrong on these things. The hiding of Karlies body was to distance himself from her, and to hopefully pass the blame off on another known killer.

I think the body of our Wynarka angel was held on to simply due to the fact that she was small and easy to store. You know she won't be found by random bikers or pedestrians if she is in a shed on your property. If they had been disposed of separately but at the same time, I think they might have been linked sooner. Then, once coming upon legal troubles the need to get rid of the body became urgent, and he just did what he could to quickly dispose of them. Or, once in trouble, asked either dear mum/dad/brother/friend/partner to get rid of a suitcase and not ask any questions. I can so very easily see an enabling parent or good friend doing this.