AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #6

[Panda]

Thanks, Makara, I keep forgetting about the Timeline threads.

From there, this is the type of MSM report where I got the idea Belanglo was the secondary crime scene:



BBM.

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...glo-forest-near-mothers-remains-police-allege
Thursday 29 October 2015 19.49 AEDT




http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ance-with-murder/story-fni0cx12-1227586153756
October 29, 2015 5:40pm

It always bothered me how initially the police suggested Karlie was "dumped" at Belanglo, which they thought was done as a red herring, and then later on they suggested that Karlie was killed near or at Belanglo. I'm thinking that after they received info on the phone pings, that's when they then thought Karlie was murdered in or near Belanglo, as opposed to somewhere else.

 

[JaneSA]

New pic of Karlie, unknown to me until now:

That is cropped from the netball presentation night photo I have been searching for.
I can find the cropped version but not the wider shot.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Hoping for Hazel's sake (if she is innocently caught up in all of this) that she was just joking about the reference to "The Boss"... if not she might be regretting this fb post....

Why would you feel sorry for an accomplice?

Hazel defrauded the Commonwealth at the very least by posing as Karlie. Twice. And posing her own child as Khandalyce.

She is looking at some very serious jail time indeed. In Australia, white collar crime such as Fraud incurs harsher penalties than if you shoot someone.

Hazel is up to her ears in this mess.

Hazel could even be the Mastermind.

 

[SapphireSteel]

It always bothered me how initially the police suggested Karlie was "dumped" at Belanglo, which they thought was done as a red herring, and then later on they suggested that Karlie was killed near or at Belanglo. I'm thinking that after they received info on the phone pings, that's when they then thought Karlie was murdered in or near Belanglo, as opposed to somewhere else.

I can just imagine it...DH saying to Karlie, hey we are passing Belanglo, shall we stop and have a look?

Karlie: sure we need a break anyway

Not knowing she had agreed to visit her own grave...

 

[SapphireSteel]

Here is what I cannot get my head around...

Karlie was murdered and then (probably) her body was moved to Belangalo Forest where it was left, with nothing but the tshirt (apparently) that could serve to identify her.
The police stated early on that they believed her body was left in "Milat territory" to try and throw them off any scent and to make them believe that Milat was responsible.
That takes some degree of planning and a desire to cover up the murder.

The body remains undiscovered for 2 years and even after it is found, it is unidentified for 5 more years.
So why, if DH was the killer of Karlie, would he keep both her clothing and her child's birth certificate when he had literally years to dispose of them without a trace?
What happened to the desire to cover up the murder?

And why would whoever killed Khadalyce keep her body and clothing, again for many years, when they also had years to dispose of them?
The child's bones and clothing were discovered, again with a complete disregard for any attempt to conceal the crime.
That discovery is all over the media for 6 weeks until she is identified.

Also, why would DH keep Karlie's bank card if he was worried he might one day be linked to her murder?

People have postulated that he is simply dumb. But the initial cover-up of Karlie's death was not organised by a dumb person.

People have also postulated that he kept things as "trophies". But is it a trophy if it is stored away at your sister's house?

Seriously, it has reached the point where, even if he pleads guilty today, I don't think I will be able to believe it.

The "trophy" is the bankcard he carried in his wallet.

We know DH had accomplices.

This is not a singular crime but the type of planned out Follow The Money type of fraud that I agree, has other fingerprints all over it, DH being too disorganized.

HP<<<<my bet.

Heck it could even be an entire family group of P's...DH merely the dumb beast they used to do their bidding.

 

[JaneSA]

Why would you feel sorry for an accomplice?

Hazel defrauded the Commonwealth at the very least by posing as Karlie. Twice. And posing her own child as Khandalyce.

She is looking at some very serious jail time indeed. In Australia, white collar crime such as Fraud incurs harsher penalties than if you shoot someone.

Hazel is up to her ears in this mess.

Hazel could even be the Mastermind.

We don't actually know any of that is true, Sapphire.
All we know is that the police have not charged her with any crime.
We have no idea what the interviews were about.

 

[SapphireSteel]

It always bothered me how initially the police suggested Karlie was "dumped" at Belanglo, which they thought was done as a red herring, and then later on they suggested that Karlie was killed near or at Belanglo. I'm thinking that after they received info on the phone pings, that's when they then thought Karlie was murdered in or near Belanglo, as opposed to somewhere else.

They can often tell if a body was killed at the site vs elsewhere.

Let us not forget Karlie was discovered only a short time after she was last seen.

The body found was reasonably "fresh" even though it was likely skeletal.

She died by blunt force iirc....Police can often tell if the body was originally posed (SK) killed suddenly in situ (crumpled in a certain way) or dumped.

In this case, perhaps there were fibres in the wound area that did not come from a forest.

Guessing....but there are ways and means of telling if a body was dead when dumped including insect activity, where it occurs first, what order the decay begins etc.

 

[Wolfinator]

Anyone have any recommendations on a Journalists Twitter feed or a hashtag to follow this morning (in a bit of a twit-illiterate)


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[JaneSA]

The "trophy" is the bankcard he carried in his wallet.

We know DH had accomplices.

This is not a singular crime but the type of planned out Follow The Money type of fraud that I agree, has other fingerprints all over it, DH being too disorganized.

HP<<<<my bet.

Heck it could even be an entire family group of P's...DH merely the dumb beast they used to do their bidding.

Ok. So why do you think DH kept 2 suitcases of Karlie's clothing and stored them at his sister's house?

 

[SapphireSteel]

We don't actually know any of that is true, Sapphire.
All we know is that the police have not charged her with any crime.
We have no idea what the interviews were about.

OK here's what we do know.

A female in a wheelchair impersonated Karlie at certain government agencies.

Almost $100,000 was spent or withdrawn from the account since November 2008 until March 2012. The account was closed earlier this year due to inactivity.

Money was deposited through Centrelink payments, previous wages and other unknown sources.

Also, disturbingly, it appears that in June 2010 a woman in a wheelchair impersonating Ms Pearce-Stevenson attended Australian Central Credit Union at Elizabeth to update banking records.

In December 2010 a woman claiming to be Ms Pearce-Stevenson also attended a compulsory interview with Centrelink at Salisbury.

Detectives are investigating if it was the same woman on both occasions.

However, police know that a man and at least two women have been responsible for the financial transactions and have lived at, or been associated with, homes in Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill and Charnwood, Canberra.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol.../wynarka-belanglo-inquiry-update#.VkOfgTahdy0

I suppose there could be a second woman in a wheelchair....but HP is the only one Police have leaked to splatter across the Front Pages....

2 + 2 = 4

 

[JaneSA]

They can often tell if a body was killed at the site vs elsewhere.

Let us not forget Karlie was discovered only a short time after she was last seen.

The body found was reasonably "fresh" even though it was likely skeletal.

She died by blunt force iirc....Police can often tell if the body was originally posed (SK) killed suddenly in situ (crumpled in a certain way) or dumped.

In this case, perhaps there were fibres in the wound area that did not come from a forest.

Guessing....but there are ways and means of telling if a body was dead when dumped including insect activity, where it occurs first, what order the decay begins etc.

Karlie was killed in December 2008 but her skeletal remains (just bones) were not discovered until 29 August 2010 - 1 year and 8 months later.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-15/belanglo-bones-belong-to-teenage-girl-police/2261766

 

[SapphireSteel]

Karlie was killed in December 2008 but her skeletal remains (just bones) were not discovered until 29 August 2010 - 1 year and 8 months later.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-09-15/belanglo-bones-belong-to-teenage-girl-police/2261766

They could've been found 2 weeks later and still be skeletal, depending on conditions.

That's not what I refer to.

For example, when the heart stops the blood stops flowing.

It pools due to gravity.

This pooling stains the bone as it too decays.

If the bones are stained in a certain way pathologists can tell if the body was moved.

They can tell if Karlie was hit and fell in Belanglo, or killed elsewhere then dumped. The bones themselves tell a tale.

 

[fruity]

Why not just burn it if you know the child is dead?

To use for fraudulent purposes.

 

[JaneSA]

In fact, initially, the police were not even sure if the bones found were human.
So I think a "pose" is really out of the question.

"Police secured a crime scene in the forest and the bones are being examined to establish if they are human. Police were treating the discovery "as human, until we know better", NSW homicide squad head Detective Superintendent Peter Cotter told The Sydney Morning Herald."
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2010/08/30/bones-found-belanglo-state-forest

 

[JaneSA]

To use for fraudulent purposes.

such as?

 

[SapphireSteel]

Ok. So why do you think DH kept 2 suitcases of Karlie's clothing and stored them at his sister's house?

Do you have a link for that? Thanks ahead of time.

 

[JaneSA]

Do you have a link for that? Thanks ahead of time.

Re 2 suitcases at sister's house, see : http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...linked-to-accused-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html

There are also several other links in this thread in the past 3 pages.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Very confusing Puggle

Someone told police Holdom allegedly took two suitcases, believed to be carrying some of Ms Pearce-Stevenson's possessions, after Karlie died.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...sed-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html#ixzz3rCK4mgTz

Following a tip off police seized two suitcases believed to hold Karlies possessions from DH sisters home.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/girl-in-s...linked-to-accused-killer-20151111-gkwnbn.html

All I can think of is that
* DH has taken the two suitcases from another location (the someone told police) and moved them to his sisters home.
* There were more that 2 suitcases at the sisters home initially and DH had removed 2 and left 2..... but why
imo

Or one article is inaccurate .... which one?

Here's my theory -

Karlie had 2 suitcases Khandalyce had 2 suitcases. One was bin sized and fit in the wheelie bin the perp stuffed it into in the town of Wynarka. The one with her bones didn't fit and led to him traipsing around trying to find another wheelie bin, giving up, doing the panicky roadside dump instead. IMO he's infirm in some way.

DH stashed Karlies suitcases at sisters > trophy. Milat did the same.

Trafficked Khandalyce with her suitcases>>>a live child

Khandalyce murderer one of DH accomplices

The Brainiac behind the entire scheme planned from the beginning, imo (HP)

Find/know a single mum with a pretty little girl whos vulnerable, use the heck out of them, kill them, live off proceeds.

Dump bodies in separate states and no one has a clue. HAD a clue.

Until the 2nd man panicked and ran about Wynarka like an idiot, with said suitcase, and blew the entire thing.

These clowns nearly pulled off the perfect crime.

Nearly...

Follow The Money<<<motive for the entire thing. Paedophilia secondary.

 

[JaneSA]

What makes you think Khandalyce had 2 suitcases, Sapphire?
Just curious.

 

[carbuff]

Here is what I cannot get my head around...

Karlie was murdered and then (probably) her body was moved to Belangalo Forest where it was left, with nothing but the tshirt (apparently) that could serve to identify her.
The police stated early on that they believed her body was left in "Milat territory" to try and throw them off any scent and to make them believe that Milat was responsible.
That takes some degree of planning and a desire to cover up the murder.

The body remains undiscovered for 2 years and even after it is found, it is unidentified for 5 more years.
So why, if DH was the killer of Karlie, would he keep both her clothing and her child's birth certificate when he had literally years to dispose of them without a trace?
What happened to the desire to cover up the murder?

And why would whoever killed Khadalyce keep her body and clothing, again for many years, when they also had years to dispose of them?
The child's bones and clothing were discovered, again with a complete disregard for any attempt to conceal the crime.
That discovery is all over the media for 6 weeks until she is identified.

Also, why would DH keep Karlie's bank card if he was worried he might one day be linked to her murder?

People have postulated that he is simply dumb. But the initial cover-up of Karlie's death was not organised by a dumb person.

People have also postulated that he kept things as "trophies". But is it a trophy if it is stored away at your sister's house?

Seriously, it has reached the point where, even if he pleads guilty today, I don't think I will be able to believe it.

Hm. I didn't realize this until your succinct restatements here -- but his actions make sense if he DOESN'T know Karlie is dead and he's thinking he's holding onto her things until she gets back.