AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #8

[JaneSA]

You won't find an official police statement about the phone pings! Why would the police release a statement about any evidence they may have in this case? They are not obligated to release a statement about anything if they choose not to. The evidence they have will be submitted to the DPP in this case and that's all that matters.

I was not suggesting that the police should release anything; I was wondering if they had.
Thank you for confirming that they haven't.
Much appreciated.

 

[Puggle]

quoting myself
Exploration Drilling is also a perfect cover for irregular substantial sums of money being deposited in Karlie's bank account. Actually it's perfect money laundering.

How about that for a financial nitwit.

Would work out convenient If it worked in conjunction with A mining company (Aggregated Quarry) who was in on the scam IMO

Lets not forget all the other wonderful trade-offs afforded ..... Fuel Rebates scams come too mind.... amongst others ...IMO

 

[Wolfinator]

Would work out convenient If it worked in conjunction with A mining company (Aggregated Quarry) who was in on the scam IMO

Lets not forget all the other wonderful trade-offs afforded ..... Fuel Rebates scams come too mind.... amongst others ...IMO

Aggregated Quarry in on the scam... huh? What did I miss?


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[Makara]

Would work out convenient If it worked in conjunction with A mining company (Aggregated Quarry) who was in on the scam IMO

Lets not forget all the other wonderful trade-offs afforded ..... Fuel Rebates scams come too mind.... amongst others ...IMO

What do you mean Puggle?

 

[Trooper]

I was not suggesting that the police should release anything; I was wondering if they had.
Thank you for confirming that they haven't.
Much appreciated.

but they have released a statement re the pings.. it was reported in many newspapers. It is on the SAPOL website. What you cannot grasp is the desire you have for some outside 'official statement' .. on whose greater authority than the Detective currently in charge of the case you would appear to rely on is in no way obliged to make any such of a thing at this point in time.. it is sufficient , for police purposes to state , allege, if you like, that the pings recorded came from Holdom's phone and were in the vicinity of Karlie's remains. That is the statement, the allegation.

I think the trouble and confusion lies within the area of not quite understanding what the word allegation means in this context.. a further research on this would pay dividends for the one confused.

 

[Amee]

Task Force Mallee

The following are media releases, photographs and press conferences

It is understood..

Police believe..

Police can reveal..

It's known..

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.Vlk2Ll5LOY4

Their is also a separate log in etc for Media.

https://www.police.sa.gov.au/police-news/media-access-and-login

 

[Puggle]

What do you mean Puggle?

Dutch had suggested that the setting up of the ABN KP Drilling and Exploration could possibly be for the purposes of Money Laundering in Dutch's opinion.

There were a few other posts (Pgs 17 -18).....some wondering if it could possibly be a drilling company and questioning Oil or Mineral??

I was merely adding my own opinion that an aggregate (quarry) business could be involved. The type that "mines" for lack of the exact word -road base material. A money laundering exercise works best when wages are paid from one company to another.

The ABN as Trooper highlighted last evening was set up in Karlie's name after she was deceased and approximately the same time the Centre link payments had ceased... So yeah...nothing more than me adding to the idea of why that ABN was set up... I think the only confusion is I'm probably being a bit more specific as to exactly what type of Business *could* be involved .....all just my opinion.

ETA: Also just threw in the fuel rebate scam - as an example of how ABN's have been set up to scam the ATO ...lot's of different perks can be worked out ...and all one needs is an ABN ... I believe they actually sell this info in prisons to each other...too bad the ATO hasn't fixed some of these loopholes when they have had nearly a decade of knowing how these scams work...

 

[Bohemian]

Yeh I mean in relation to this case.
Just another lurk from assuming another persons life.
Not sure if I had heard it mentioned here.
I you were a woman of similiar age would be very easy.
I always thought they need to get a national medical data base happening.

Oh OK plongi, I get you. I agree about it being an adfitional 'money spinner' and very easy for a woman of a similar age to manage.

As for Medicare fraud in relation to this case, I don't remember it being a factor, but it may well be. I'm sure someone is more than willing to correct me if I'm wrong.

Re national database, I remember one being talked about in recent years but, other than that, I've not kept up with any news. There is, however, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme which, you would think, provide some safeguards/tracking of suspicious prescriptions. I have little doubt metadata is collected and stored by the government and is available for research and to investigators.

What I do know is that when I've been waiting for my prescriptions in recent years, I've noticed if people ask to buy any over-the-counter medication that contains pseudoephedrine or codeine they either had to sign a form and show photo ID or they have been questioned by the pharmacist.

__________

Even when I had a valid prescription for an opioid pain reliever for my dog (who had cancer) and I had been going to the same chemist for years; I was questioned fairly extensively by them in 2011.

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All IMO, except for my own observations.

 

[JaneSA]

but they have released a statement re the pings.. it was reported in many newspapers. It is on the SAPOL website. (BBM)What you cannot grasp is the desire you have for some outside 'official statement' .. on whose greater authority than the Detective currently in charge of the case you would appear to rely on is in no way obliged to make any such of a thing at this point in time.. it is sufficient , for police purposes to state , allege, if you like, that the pings recorded came from Holdom's phone and were in the vicinity of Karlie's remains. That is the statement, the allegation.

I think the trouble and confusion lies within the area of not quite understanding what the word allegation means in this context.. a further research on this would pay dividends for the one confused.

Is it (on the SAPOL website)?
That's fab!
Can you give a link?
Thanks so much for your help.

EDIT: I have searched https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VllJ7nYrKUl for the word "ping" but not found it.

 

[plongi]

I just know when I go to a doctor is not my usual I have to fill out all my details again. You would think your medical history would go with your medicare number. Central database so when you go to any doc they can see your history. Seems just to be for payment. Having said that medicare should put out a red flag if your going to the doctor every few days or weeks.
Having a second card would have its benefits to spread out the visits.
Anyway I digress.

Oh OK plongi, I get you. I agree about it being an adfitional 'money spinner' and very easy for a woman of a similar age to manage.

As for Medicare fraud in relation to this case, I don't remember it being a factor, but it may well be. I'm sure someone is more than willing to correct me if I'm wrong.

Re national database, I remember one being talked about in recent years but, other than that, I've not kept up with any news. There is, however, the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme which, you would think, provide some safeguards/tracking of suspicious prescriptions. I have little doubt metadata is collected and stored by the government and is available for research and to investigators.

What I do know is that when I've been waiting for my prescriptions in recent years, I've noticed if people ask to buy any over-the-counter medication that contains pseudoephedrine or codeine they either had to sign a form and show photo ID or they have been questioned by the pharmacist.

__________

Even when I had a valid prescription for an opioid pain reliever for my dog (who had cancer) and I had been going to the same chemist for years; I was questioned fairly extensively by them in 2011.

___________

All IMO, except for my own observations.

 

[JLZ]

I just know when I go to a doctor is not my usual I have to fill out all my details again. You would think your medical history would go with your medicare number. Central database so when you go to any doc they can see your history. Seems just to be for payment. Having said that medicare should put out a red flag if your going to the doctor every few days or weeks.
Having a second card would have its benefits to spread out the visits.
Anyway I digress.

There is a national database of what medical services were provided to each patient, when, and by whom. It's not the same as a full medical history and I don't believe treating doctors are able to just look it up (privacy reasons).

 

[Bohemian]

I just know when I go to a doctor is not my usual I have to fill out all my details again. You would think your medical history would go with your medicare number. Central database so when you go to any doc they can see your history. Seems just to be for payment. Having said that medicare should put out a red flag if your going to the doctor every few days or weeks.
Having a second card would have its benefits to spread out the visits.
Anyway I digress.

I don't think there was a database such as that in 2008, but e-Health is currently being implemented:

http://www.ehealth.gov.au/internet/ehealth/publishing.nsf/Content/home

I think there were still some (legal?) issues regarding the protection an individual's personal and private information. Not that this is an issue in the current climate but, I too, digress.
___________

All in my opinion, unless from personal observation or where a reference is provided.

 

[Trooper]

Is it (on the SAPOL website)?
That's fab!
Can you give a link?
Thanks so much for your help.

EDIT: I have searched https://www.police.sa.gov.au/sa-pol...l-service-area/task-force-mallee#.VllJ7nYrKUl for the word "ping" but not found it.

On the website you display in this post, the last item logged, in chronological order is dated the 27th October. 2015. The date of the allegation by the Task Force Mallee in regard to the pings from the Belanglo tower was released on the 29th October. (for quick confirmation of this date, see post #302 from Possumheart, even though it is a MSN report, it clearly states the date ) You are a few pages behind on that site you are using, a lot happened between the 27th and the 29th of October, if you recall., ....move on up to the next segment, 28th October to 6th November.

Meanwhile, in return, as a courtesy, you could perhaps let me know just what level of acceptance you have in mind in regard to the 'ping ' matter. Will the allegation on the SAPOL site be enough or are you planning to drive this forward?

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[JaneSA]

On the website you display in this post, the last item logged, in chronological order is dated the 27th October. 2015. The date of the allegation by the Task Force Mallee in regard to the pings from the Belanglo tower was released on the 29th October. (for quick confirmation of this date, see post #302 from Possumheart, even though it is a MSN report, it clearly states the date ) You are a few pages behind on that site you are using, a lot happened between the 27th and the 29th of October, if you recall., ....move on up to the next segment, 28th October to 6th November.

Meanwhile, in return, as a courtesy, you could perhaps let me know just what level of acceptance you have in mind in regard to the 'ping ' matter. Will the allegation on the SAPOL site be enough or are you planning to drive this forward?

Who would you expect to verify the police allegation that they have ping evidence? Some other police? some ping expert under who's authority? the Premier? . some sort of Websleuths judge, in a special websleuths court? Les Day's mum?

Thanks again, Trooper.

Is this the release you are referring to? Only one I can see with those dates.
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/news/l...vdi5hdSUyRm1lZGlhJTJGNDk1MDYuaHRtbCZhbGw9MQ==
I can't see anything there relating to the phone pings either.

You ask "what level of acceptance you have in mind in regard to the 'ping ' matter".
All I am looking for is a statement from the police that mentions the phone pings from Belanglo.

I have searched and searched and found nothing so far.

Makara has said that such a statement does not exist, and I believe that to be correct, so I am wondering where you have seen one.

If you have seen such a statement, please can you post a link to it?

 

[JLZ]

I don't think there was a database such as that in 2008, but e-Health is currently being implemented:

http://www.ehealth.gov.au/internet/ehealth/publishing.nsf/Content/home

I think there were still some (legal?) issues regarding the protection an individual's personal and private information. Not that this is an issue in the current climate but, I too, digress.
___________

All in my opinion, unless from personal observation or where a reference is provided.

There has long been a database for payment purposes. Certainly before 2008. If you rang Medicare and identified yourself you could have a printout of your history sent to you. You might need some extra information such as the the Medicare Benefits Schedule to interpret it, but the information was there.

 

[Makara]

Stop the continual arguing about the phone pings! It's achieving absolutely nothing except who can have the last word. The last word is mine. ENOUGH!

 

[JaneSA]

Dutch had suggested that the setting up of the ABN KP Drilling and Exploration could possibly be for the purposes of Money Laundering in Dutch's opinion.

There were a few other posts (Pgs 17 -18).....some wondering if it could possibly be a drilling company and questioning Oil or Mineral??

I was merely adding my own opinion that an aggregate (quarry) business could be involved. The type that "mines" for lack of the exact word -road base material. A money laundering exercise works best when wages are paid from one company to another.

The ABN as Trooper highlighted last evening was set up in Karlie's name after she was deceased and approximately the same time the Centre link payments had ceased... So yeah...nothing more than me adding to the idea of why that ABN was set up... I think the only confusion is I'm probably being a bit more specific as to exactly what type of Business *could* be involved .....all just my opinion.

ETA: Also just threw in the fuel rebate scam - as an example of how ABN's have been set up to scam the ATO ...lot's of different perks can be worked out ...and all one needs is an ABN ... I believe they actually sell this info in prisons to each other...too bad the ATO hasn't fixed some of these loopholes when they have had nearly a decade of knowing how these scams work...

Just a random thought...
If you wanted to show the sale of equipment that you had a bank loan for but had never actually purchased (as in you use the money for other purposes), would recording it as "sold" to another company and offering that ABN as proof, get the bank off your back if they were trying to repossess that equipment?
Anyone with financial institution knowledge here who might know?

 

[DinkyDi]

When doing contract work in Australia you need an ABN.
If a person wanted to do some work but not under their own name, a fake ABN might be useful.
Not sure how that would really benefit anyone unless it was a huge contract financially and you wanted to avoid paying tax, or perhaps wanted to do some work without Centerlink cutting off your benefits.

IMO the curious thing is the name though - the "exploration drilling" part.
So, just off the top of my head... would using a company name that included "exploration drilling" enable you to convince a landowner to give you access to their land?
And if so, to what purpose?

What I am getting at is, if all you wanted was the fake ABN, why add the word "exploration drilling" to it? A simple name such as KPS Enterprises, or KPS Services would have been just as useful for a tax or benefit fraud, if that was the intention.

Could be a good front for laundering drug money.

 

[Wolfinator]

Just a random thought...
If you wanted to show the sale of equipment that you had a bank loan for but had never actually purchased (as in you use the money for other purposes), would recording it as "sold" to another company and offering that ABN as proof, get the bank off your back if they were trying to repossess that equipment?
Anyone with financial institution knowledge here who might know?

They'd want the kit or the money - the ABN of a purchaser would be meaningless. Most financed equipment is encumbered anyway and can't be legally transferred.

I think it's pretty safe to say that whoever registered an ABN with Karlie's identity did it to either hide income or commit fraud. The devil in that detail will be revealed in court hopefully if they ever get to charge someone.


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[JaneSA]

Thanks Wolfie - great point.