AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #9

[visioneye]

Yes there is an infamous police station at Holden Hill and until quite recently (end of August this year) it was associated with a Magistrates Court which has since closed down as the SA Govt ratifies its judicial backlog (go figure). From memory, DH's matters arising from the Indulkana accident which killed HP's children and maimed her were heard at Holden Hill Magistrates Court. But as you say Makara, Des Bray definitely worded it so that the impression was houses/residences.

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/nt-news/20151031/281711203515564/TextView

That press reader article is a No No Maggie...

 

[KG1]

This is a good article -

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29920242/khandalyce-was-kept-alive-after-mother-karlies-murder/?cmp=st


"However, police know that a man and at least two women have been responsible for the financial transactions and have lived at, or been associated with, homes in Davoren Park, Hillbank, Holden Hill (in South Australia) and Charnwood, Canberra."

 

[Makara]

That press reader article is a No No Maggie...

The press reader link is ok, just don't discuss anything there that may be sub judice.

 

[visioneye]

On The Run (OTR) Kent Town,at 1 Fullarton Rd, Kent Town SA 5067
A service station like the one in Hampstead Gardens, would have an ATM machine and would have matched the type of places Karlees card was used. This is on the major ring road around Adelaide CBD, and would fit typical use IMO.

The press reader link is ok, just don't discuss anything there that may be sub judice.

Apologies

 

[Maggie_May]

Yes! and it's smack dab on the way to the Murray Bridge via freeway along Fullarton and Glenunga Roads! Otherwise it is pretty much out of one's way...AND it's still Kent Town in spite of being in Rose Park.

Love your work visioneye!

On The Run (OTR) Kent Town,at 1 Fullarton Rd, Kent Town SA 5067
A service station like the one in Hampstead Gardens, would have an ATM machine and would have matched the type of places Karlees card was used. This is on the major ring road around Adelaide CBD, and would fit typical use IMO.

 

[DinkyDi]

Yes! and it's smack dab on the way to the Murray Bridge via freeway along Fullarton and Glenunga Roads! Otherwise it is pretty much out of one's way...AND it's still Kent Town in spite of being in Rose Park.

Love your work visioneye!

From memory I'm pretty sure there are some support services for homeless teens over that way near Kent town too. At least there was years ago.

 

[Bohemian]

Thanks for posting this again. The bus only stops at Wynarka one day a week according to that timetable and passengers are required to book their seat.

No problem, Makara. I remember you posted a reference to the bus timetable in a previous thread. I was searching 'Wynarka' and the link popped up so I thought it was a good idea to repost it.

 

[Bohemian]

On The Run (OTR) Kent Town,at 1 Fullarton Rd, Kent Town SA 5067
A service station like the one in Hampstead Gardens, would have an ATM machine and would have matched the type of places Karlees card was used. This is on the major ring road around Adelaide CBD, and would fit typical use IMO.

Except the Kent Town transaction was made before Karlie was allegedly murdered:

Belanglo murder: Karlie Pearce-Stevenson’s killer stole $90,000 by assuming her identity
October 28, 2015 4:22pm
Ashlee Mullany and Mark Morri
The Daily Telegraph

DATES AND LOCATIONS WHERE KARLIE PEARCE-STEVENSON’S BANK ACCOUNT WAS USED

3/11/2008 Purchase at KFC (Port Augusta)

6/11/2008 Purchase McDonalds (Rundle Mall, Adelaide)

9/11/2008 Eftpos Purchase Coles (Alice Springs)

14/11/2008 ATM withdrawal (Kent Town)

17/11/2008 Rabbit Photo/Strandbags (Mt Gambier)

24/11/2008 ATM withdrawal Kippax Fair (Canberra)

14-15/12/2008 Karlie allegedly murdered at Belanglo State Forest

16/12/2008 Charnwood (Canberra)

19/12/2008 Deakin (Canberra)

22/12/2008 BP OTR (Broadview, SA)

6/01/2009 Coober Pedy (Coober Pedy)

7/01/2009 EFTPOS Purchase Mobil (Alice Springs)

0/01/2009 ATM withdrawal BP (Broadview, SA)

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...k=2bdb3fc497e2ee028b968db656a2befc-1449295464

 

[Bohemian]

Also Rundle Mall is only 2.1 km driving distance from Kent Town.



Whereis:

http://www.whereis.com/directions?n....9248042&elon=138.6195034&rt=shortest_notolls

Belanglo murder: Karlie Pearce-Stevenson’s killer stole $90,000 by assuming her identity
October 28, 2015 4:22pm
Ashlee Mullany and Mark Morri
The Daily Telegraph

DATES AND LOCATIONS WHERE KARLIE PEARCE-STEVENSON’S BANK ACCOUNT WAS USED

3/11/2008 Purchase at KFC (Port Augusta)

6/11/2008 Purchase McDonalds (Rundle Mall, Adelaide)

9/11/2008 Eftpos Purchase Coles (Alice Springs)

14/11/2008 ATM withdrawal (Kent Town)

17/11/2008 Rabbit Photo/Strandbags (Mt Gambier)

24/11/2008 ATM withdrawal Kippax Fair (Canberra)

14-15/12/2008 Karlie allegedly murdered at Belanglo State Forest

16/12/2008 Charnwood (Canberra)

19/12/2008 Deakin (Canberra)

22/12/2008 BP OTR (Broadview, SA)

6/01/2009 Coober Pedy (Coober Pedy)

7/01/2009 EFTPOS Purchase Mobil (Alice Springs)

0/01/2009 ATM withdrawal BP (Broadview, SA)

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...k=2bdb3fc497e2ee028b968db656a2befc-1449295464

 

[visioneye]

Yes! and it's smack dab on the way to the Murray Bridge via freeway along Fullarton and Glenunga Roads! Otherwise it is pretty much out of one's way...AND it's still Kent Town in spite of being in Rose Park.

Love your work visioneye!

Yep everytime I go to Kent Town I have to get my compass out... no where near as central as Marion..

Addit: Sorry if confusing to non residents of Adelaide. You can walk easily from Rundle St centre of Adelaide to Kent Town, it is an adjacent suburb directly east of the city. It is a busy inner suburb with terrible parking, small businesses, medium to high density accommodation and a very expensive Private boys school, a temporary transit area if Karlee indeed stay here only IMO
Marion is waaaaay South/ West, suburban shopping area,(25-30 minute drive from CBD). No where near any of the other locations mentioned in Adelaide. No mention of Karlee using her card at Marion is interesting. IMO

 

[JaneSA]

Kent Town is a bit of an odd place to make an ATM withdrawal hey JaneSA? Even travelling in to the CBD via Hampstead Road it's a bit out of your way...

Yes, it really is an odd place for an ATM transaction now you mention it.
Kent Town is a tiny, triangular suburb with a private boys school and very densely packed residential housing and no-thru roads.

It is bounded by Fullarton Road, Hackney Road/DequettevilleTce and North Tce.

The only commercial properties are along these 3 boundary roads and tend to be predominately accountants, small legal firms, wholesale agents, graphic designers and other B2B businesses.
No banks and no shopping precincts.

There is an OTR on the corner of Fullarton and North and as far as I can see, one of only 2 places likely to have an ATM.
One other possibility is the Hackney Hotel.

 

[Puggle]

Sorry to drop a post sort of out of flow with the convo... I maybe didn't follow up enough on this aspect - the crime stopper call.

But came across a huffpost article which I hadn't read before......Sort of fits in with recent convo of Marion questions...

The Article I have only just come across.... almost makes it suggestive that the crime stopper caller was the one that supplied both the Picture of Khandalyce in the stroller with the quilt picture....along with the Marion Shopping centre Picture ....well at least that's the way I am interpreting it ...But obviously it will be interpreted differently by others ...which is ok...open to all opinions and interpretations....

If my interpretation is the correct one...(not saying it is)...But...could that suggest a close association to Karlie to have (in possession) a photo of a younger Khandalyce and then also an older photo taken at Marion SA??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/10/22/karlie-khandalyce-murder_n_8352056.html

 

[Bohemian]

Yes, it really is an odd place for an ATM transaction now you mention it.
Kent Town is a tiny, triangular suburb with a private boys school and very densely packed residential housing and no-thru roads.

It is bounded by Fullarton Road, Hackney Road/DequettevilleTce and North Tce.

The only commercial properties are along these 3 boundary roads and tend to be predominately accountants, small legal firms, wholesale agents, graphic designers and other B2B businesses.
No banks and no shopping precincts.

There is an OTR on the corner of Fullarton and North and as far as I can see, one of only 2 places likely to have an ATM.
One other possibility is the Hackney Hotel.

I notice that the Royal Adelaide Hospital is relatively close to the Kent Town area and also Rundle Mall, where the McDonalds purchase was made.

After the MVA, wasn't HP transferred from Alice Springs to RAH at some stage? Maybe Karlie went to see her.

Nothing much has been said about DJH, ie; if he received any serious injuries in the MVA which meant he would also have been hospitalised at RAH. It's also possible he may have been living nearby as he was her partner at the time. The same goes for HP's remaining child.

Karlie went back to The Alice between the McDonalds purchase and the one at Kent Town for some reason. Did she again visit someone at RAH before meeting her friend at Marion and leaving SA, on her way to Mount Gambier and the ACT.

Those final visits, and the purchase of the extra suitcase, are almost a portent that Karlie and Khandalyce would never return to their friends and family. Sadly, they didn't; alive at least.

IMO.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I don't understand at all:
DJH/M/B, HP, Karlie, Khandalyce - all are living in Alice Springs in 2008.
Sometime (in 2008?) Karlie and DJH/M/B had met at a mutual group. HP and Karlie were known to each other.
Then a terrible accident happens near Marla - HP paralysed, 2 of her children dead, DJH/M/B and HP's 3. child injured.
After that suddenly all the more or less befriended people, despite accident, leave Alice Springs towards SA.

Why then? I imagine (if I would think about myself): no one is doing a voluntary relocation in these circumstances.
Ok, Karlie/Khandalyce had only suitcases or cardboard boxes and a car. But HP and DJH/M/B had certainly a real household each with everything that goes with it, especially HP (a mother with 3 children until then). If the news aren't wrong, DJH/M/B and HP had dated before the accident. In my view "have dates" doesn't mean "live together", therefore rather not 1 common household.

Why had HP to go to Royal Adelaide Hospital? Is there no other hospital in the North?

 

[porridgeuk]

Sorry to drop a post sort of out of flow with the convo... I maybe didn't follow up enough on this aspect - the crime stopper call.

But came across a huffpost article which I hadn't read before......Sort of fits in with recent convo of Marion questions...

The Article I have only just come across.... almost makes it suggestive that the crime stopper caller was the one that supplied both the Picture of Khandalyce in the stroller with the quilt picture....along with the Marion Shopping centre Picture ....well at least that's the way I am interpreting it ...But obviously it will be interpreted differently by others ...which is ok...open to all opinions and interpretations....

If my interpretation is the correct one...(not saying it is)...But...could that suggest a close association to Karlie to have (in possession) a photo of a younger Khandalyce and then also an older photo taken at Marion SA??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/10/22/karlie-khandalyce-murder_n_8352056.html

I have read the article before and came to the same conclusion as you

 

[Bohemian]

I don't understand at all:
DJH/M/B, HP, Karlie, Khandalyce - all are living in Alice Springs in 2008.
Sometime (in 2008?) Karlie and DJH/M/B had met at a mutual group. HP and Karlie were known to each other.
Then a terrible accident happens near Marla - HP paralysed, 2 of her children dead, DJH/M/B and HP's 3. child injured.
After that suddenly all the more or less befriended people, despite accident, leave Alice Springs towards SA.

Why then? I imagine (if I would think about myself): no one is doing a voluntary relocation in these circumstances.
Ok, Karlie/Khandalyce had only suitcases or cardboard boxes and a car. But HP and DJH/M/B had certainly a real household each with everything that goes with it, especially HP (a mother with 3 children until then). If the news aren't wrong, DJH/M/B and HP had dated before the accident. In my view "have dates" doesn't mean "live together", therefore rather not 1 common household.

Why had HP to go to Royal Adelaide Hospital? Is there no other hospital in the North?

I don't know when or why DJH left The Alice. AFAIK there have been reports that he and HP broke up briefly some time after the MVA, so that may be the reason.

I've always been of the impression that DJH and HP lived together in The Alice prior to the MVA. I don't recall ever reading that they were merely 'dating'.

As far as RAH, I believe it provides specialist services to patients which are not available in The Alice. The only other major hospital I can think of 'in the North' is Darwin Base Hospital but it may not have had the specialist services required by HP.

The other possibility is that HP elected to go to RAH rather than DBH as she had access to wheelchair friendly accommodation in Northview and rehabilitation services at Hampstead Heath. Maybe the NT is not as well resourced as SA.

The lack of major hospitals in Central Australia is because it is mainly a remote area, except for the three major centres mentioned.

Yes, Karlie knew HP. How and when they met? IDK. Karlie was said to have met DJH through a group of people who were living under unfortunate circumstances according to investigators IIRC. Just what that means and when it was; IDK. Maybe Karlie's and DJH's mutual relationship with HP was uncovered through their attendance at group meetings or or while visiting HP in hospital; but they're just guesses.

Karlie was reported to have left The Alice in 2008 to travel and work AFAIK.

IMO.

 

[visioneye]

There is no evidence of HP residing in Adelaide prior to her accident.
RAH is one of two hospitals which covers major trauma retrievals in the area of SA, some parts of NT (Alice Springs), western Vic, Western NSW (Broken Hill)
http://www.rah.sa.gov.au/trauma/ the other being Flinders Hospital, coincidently near Marion.
So assuming HP was "retrieved" to the RAH for treatment of her injuries, her remaining family , daughter and ?DH, would be entitled to stay at one of the subsidized public or private accommodations near the city whilst she was requiring treatment.
http://www.rah.sa.gov.au/country/accomdsn.php
A couple of these are in the Kent Town/ inner east city area walking distance to RAH, McDonalds Rundle etc.

I do not think HP was down at Marion when the infamous pictures of K & K were taken, I think she would have been still limited to city/ inner north areas at this stage of her recovery.
The person she met at Marion (may have been a close direct family member of K &K IMO), and they may have some connection to the reason Karlee went down to Mt Gambier. All MO only.

 

[Bohemian]

Yep everytime I go to Kent Town I have to get my compass out... no where near as central as Marion..

Addit: Sorry if confusing to non residents of Adelaide. You can walk easily from Rundle St centre of Adelaide to Kent Town, it is an adjacent suburb directly east of the city. It is a busy inner suburb with terrible parking, small businesses, medium to high density accommodation and a very expensive Private boys school, a temporary transit area if Karlee indeed stay here only IMO
Marion is waaaaay South/ West, suburban shopping area,(25-30 minute drive from CBD). No where near any of the other locations mentioned in Adelaide. No mention of Karlee using her card at Marion is interesting. IMO

The fact that no transaction was made at Marion bothers me too, VE. The only confirmation Karlie and Khandalyce were ever there are the two photographs. Do you know when in November 2008 they were said to have been taken?

Investigators initially said the last reported sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce was in Coober Pedy on 8/11/2008 according to a police report IIRC; which would be consistent with them travelling to The Alice from Port Augusta (card transactions on 3 and 9/11 respectively); via Adelaide (6/11); correct?

Then Karlie's transaction history shows she was in Kent Town (14/11), then Mount Gambier (17/11) and Kippax Fair ACT (24/11) where she supposedly made a final transaction before she was allegedly murdered, or her remains were dumped, in Belanglo State Forest between 14-15/12/2008).

Recently, investigators have said the last reported sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce was in Charnwood ACT IIRC. Do you know the date of this reported sighting?

I can't help but keep coming back to the idea; no matter how unlikely it may be, that Karlie was murdered before 14-15/12/2008. Not knowing the much about dating modern skeletal remains with a relatively short PMI, I just wonder if it's possible that there is a degree of accuracy +/- x amount of time in days or weeks?

IMO.

 

[KG1]

Yes, it really is an odd place for an ATM transaction now you mention it.
Kent Town is a tiny, triangular suburb with a private boys school and very densely packed residential housing and no-thru roads.

It is bounded by Fullarton Road, Hackney Road/DequettevilleTce and North Tce.

The only commercial properties are along these 3 boundary roads and tend to be predominately accountants, small legal firms, wholesale agents, graphic designers and other B2B businesses.
No banks and no shopping precincts.

There is an OTR on the corner of Fullarton and North and as far as I can see, one of only 2 places likely to have an ATM.
One other possibility is the Hackney Hotel.

There is a Cashcard ATM at 2 Nth Terrace, which comes up on Google search as a Kent Town ATM. It looks not very far from the Royal Adelaide Hospital on the map.

 

[JaneSA]

Sorry to drop a post sort of out of flow with the convo... I maybe didn't follow up enough on this aspect - the crime stopper call.

But came across a huffpost article which I hadn't read before......Sort of fits in with recent convo of Marion questions...

The Article I have only just come across.... almost makes it suggestive that the crime stopper caller was the one that supplied both the Picture of Khandalyce in the stroller with the quilt picture....along with the Marion Shopping centre Picture ....well at least that's the way I am interpreting it ...But obviously it will be interpreted differently by others ...which is ok...open to all opinions and interpretations....

If my interpretation is the correct one...(not saying it is)...But...could that suggest a close association to Karlie to have (in possession) a photo of a younger Khandalyce and then also an older photo taken at Marion SA??

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2015/10/22/karlie-khandalyce-murder_n_8352056.html

That is certainly the way it reads to me.
The police have never confirmed that the photos came from one of the 2 Crimestoppers callers, but it has always seemed to me that they must have, because they appeared in the media at the same time.