AUS - Khandalyce Kiara Pearce (Wynarka) and mum Karlie Pearce-Stevenson (Belanglo) #9

[Maggie_May]

Good call Bohemian. Isn't it curious that no mention has ever been made of any injury whatsoever to DJH - wonder if he and HP were wearing a seatbelt and the chn were not but Lauryn in a babyseat? The truckie who found them mentioned only that he found DJH outside the rolled over vehicle, he gestured into the bush saying "his kids were dead", truckie saw HP lying in sand with bad leg injuries and baby sitting up in the sand, and chn close by, both with no pulse IMO he had a miracle escape and would only maybe have spent a short time in AS hospital for shock and to be observed. I seem to remember HP was transferred later to the RAH. Maybe baby Lauryn also escaped significant impacts. If Karlie withdrew funds at the RAH in that timeframe, dead set she was visiting HP IMO.

I notice that the Royal Adelaide Hospital is relatively close to the Kent Town area and also Rundle Mall, where the McDonalds purchase was made.

After the MVA, wasn't HP transferred from Alice Springs to RAH at some stage? Maybe Karlie went to see her.

Nothing much has been said about DJH, ie; if he received any serious injuries in the MVA which meant he would also have been hospitalised at RAH. It's also possible he may have been living nearby as he was her partner at the time. The same goes for HP's remaining child.

Karlie went back to The Alice between the McDonalds purchase and the one at Kent Town for some reason. Did she again visit someone at RAH before meeting her friend at Marion and leaving SA, on her way to Mount Gambier and the ACT.

Those final visits, and the purchase of the extra suitcase, are almost a portent that Karlie and Khandalyce would never return to their friends and family. Sadly, they didn't; alive at least.

IMO.

 

[Maggie_May]

FromGermany others will have a better recollection than I of your first question/s but re the hospital the RAH (Royal Adelaide Hospital) is THE public hospital of choice for many many emergencies and serious cases - country people especially are flown or ambulanced there frequently as country hospitals cannot respond sufficiently to their conditions/issues. The SA Health "re-jig" in response to ambulance-stacking (having ambulances constantly in the emergency bay awaiting entry and patients being on gurneys in halls and emergency bays as well as being treated outside in the ambulance...has meant a shocking rationalisation of health services in recent times.Certainly even then things were not good and HP would never have been taken to either Modbury Hospital or the Lyall McEwin as the RAH would be the triage centre for such a serious injury and only later might she have been transferred. In HP's case, she may well have gone straight from her time in the RAH to the Hampstead Rehab Centre (in the infamous Broadview/Northfield area) as was a friend of mine recently in similarly serious circumstances.

I don't understand at all:
DJH/M/B, HP, Karlie, Khandalyce - all are living in Alice Springs in 2008.
Sometime (in 2008?) Karlie and DJH/M/B had met at a mutual group. HP and Karlie were known to each other.
Then a terrible accident happens near Marla - HP paralysed, 2 of her children dead, DJH/M/B and HP's 3. child injured.
After that suddenly all the more or less befriended people, despite accident, leave Alice Springs towards SA.

Why then? I imagine (if I would think about myself): no one is doing a voluntary relocation in these circumstances.
Ok, Karlie/Khandalyce had only suitcases or cardboard boxes and a car. But HP and DJH/M/B had certainly a real household each with everything that goes with it, especially HP (a mother with 3 children until then). If the news aren't wrong, DJH/M/B and HP had dated before the accident. In my view "have dates" doesn't mean "live together", therefore rather not 1 common household.

Why had HP to go to Royal Adelaide Hospital? Is there no other hospital in the North?

 

[Estelle]

Yes so true visioneye...I feel like we South Aussies should be able to brainstorm enough "local knowledge" and instincts to cast some real light or at least come up with a cogent plausible theory and not giving up! I've lived and worked in enough places (including homelessness and prison system - worked not lived!) to muster some instinctive stuff...Renmark is my old stamping ground being born and bred a Riverlander...but all seems such a swirling smoke and mirrors atm...Re non-use of Karlie's card, are we right in assuming not all transactions of the 1200 have been listed?! Seems curious but no doubt strategic...and perhaps she did sizeable withdrawals and kept cash in her purse...no purchases were listed at Marion either...all IMO of course.

Is it possible that DH conned KP into funding everything on leaving Adelaide (having made "sizeable withdrawals" keeping cash in her purse) with him promising to pay it back but when she got to Canberra, she started refusing to give DH any more money? So as he was so desperate for money, KP was no further use to him unless she was dead.

 

[Maggie_May]

Just a thought...maybe Karlie (estranged from family) and therefore having no solid BOO when she was in the Alice, and DJH, having done his dash with HP, were part of a group accessing homelessness services in AS?

I don't know when or why DJH left The Alice. AFAIK there have been reports that he and HP broke up briefly some time after the MVA, so that may be the reason.

I've always been of the impression that DJH and HP lived together in The Alice prior to the MVA. I don't recall ever reading that they were merely 'dating'.

As far as RAH, I believe it provides specialist services to patients which are not available in The Alice. The only other major hospital I can think of 'in the North' is Darwin Base Hospital but it may not have had the specialist services required by HP.

The other possibility is that HP elected to go to RAH rather than DBH as she had access to wheelchair friendly accommodation in Northview and rehabilitation services at Hampstead Heath. Maybe the NT is not as well resourced as SA.

The lack of major hospitals in Central Australia is because it is mainly a remote area, except for the three major centres mentioned.

Yes, Karlie knew HP. How and when they met? IDK. Karlie was said to have met DJH through a group of people who were living under unfortunate circumstances according to investigators IIRC. Just what that means and when it was; IDK. Maybe Karlie's and DJH's mutual relationship with HP was uncovered through their attendance at group meetings or or while visiting HP in hospital; but they're just guesses.

Karlie was reported to have left The Alice in 2008 to travel and work AFAIK.

IMO.

 

[Maggie_May]

Good call visioneye.

There is no evidence of HP residing in Adelaide prior to her accident.
RAH is one of two hospitals which covers major trauma retrievals in the area of SA, some parts of NT (Alice Springs), western Vic, Western NSW (Broken Hill)
http://www.rah.sa.gov.au/trauma/ the other being Flinders Hospital, coincidently near Marion.
So assuming HP was "retrieved" to the RAH for treatment of her injuries, her remaining family , daughter and ?DH, would be entitled to stay at one of the subsidized public or private accommodations near the city whilst she was requiring treatment.
http://www.rah.sa.gov.au/country/accomdsn.php
A couple of these are in the Kent Town/ inner east city area walking distance to RAH, McDonalds Rundle etc.

I do not think HP was down at Marion when the infamous pictures of K & K were taken, I think she would have been still limited to city/ inner north areas at this stage of her recovery.
The person she met at Marion (may have been a close direct family member of K &K IMO), and they may have some connection to the reason Karlee went down to Mt Gambier. All MO only.

 

[Trooper]

Why then? I imagine (if I would think about myself): no one is doing a voluntary relocation in these circumstances.
Ok, Karlie/Khandalyce had only suitcases or cardboard boxes and a car. But HP and DJH/M/B had certainly a real household each with everything that goes with it, especially HP (a mother with 3 children until then). If the news aren't wrong, DJH/M/B and HP had dated before the accident. In my view "have dates" doesn't mean "live together", therefore rather not 1 common household.

Why had HP to go to Royal Adelaide Hospital? Is there no other hospital in the North?

edited by me for brevity..


Hazels house hold possessions may not have been worth enough to offset the cost of being moved by a professional firm.. 1,500 klms is a long way to pay for a truck. . .. and she would be getting some sort of assistance from TAC for replacement of stuff, due to relocation, for rehab etc..

The Royal Adelaide ..... the Northern Territory is as big, landwise as the combined space of France, Italy and Spain. . the population of the NT is just a shade under a quarter of a million people.... around 243, 000 in 2015. The combined population of France ( 65 mill ) Italy ( 48 mill ) and Spain (61 mill ) is about 174 ,000,000. This is just to colour in the vastness and the distances here, FG, and the choices that follow from that tyranny of distance . It is actually cheaper to fly people back to Adelaide than have whole huge hospitals with various surgeons sitting around in Alice ( 26,000 ) year in, year out, waiting for a few customers a year with Hazel's kind of injuries.. . It looks outrageous but it is the most cost effective measure.

 

[KG1]

Is it possible that DH conned KP into funding everything on leaving Adelaide (having made "sizeable withdrawals" keeping cash in her purse) with him promising to pay it back but when she got to Canberra, she started refusing to give DH any more money? So as he was so desperate for money, KP was no further use to him unless she was dead.

'Follow the money'. That is what Mr Bray said.

 

[Trooper]

'Follow the money'. That is what Mr Bray said.

one cant go wrong with that advice,KG.. I , long ago, gave up on the idea that this murder, these murders , were about passion, and sex and jealousy, and revenge and insecurity and lost love, all that squeegee stuff.. and it's not about religion, either,. .. So money is it. Who's money, how much, who had it, who didn't, who wanted it, who thought it was theirs, who wanted it back, who was being prevented from accessing it.. all that ordinary, suburban, cup of tea stuff...

 

[1968]

Something Trooper said a little earlier about DJH being so totally broke, without a car, without a job, paying child support - and now as Estelle suggests, perhaps owing money to the pocket rocket, who has a kind heart, but also a temper...
made me start to think about triggers and straws that break camels backs.

Perhaps KP became pregnant, to DH, at a time when he neither needed or wanted her to be? Psychologically he is not ready for that. Or financially.

Complete speculation, IMO only.

 

[Maggie_May]

Yes and yet the police seem very firm on that 14 - 15/12/2008 date largely it seems because of the mobile phone evidence they have (whether pinged, triangulated or "dumped" makes no difference IMO) I've always thought that if I were in DJH's position (heaven forbid) I wouldn't want my phone associated within coo-ee of Belanglo State Forest a week or a century either side of those dates

The fact that no transaction was made at Marion bothers me too, VE. The only confirmation Karlie and Khandalyce were ever there are the two photographs. Do you know when in November 2008 they were said to have been taken?

Investigators initially said the last reported sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce was in Coober Pedy on 8/11/2008 according to a police report IIRC; which would be consistent with them travelling to The Alice from Port Augusta (card transactions on 3 and 9/11 respectively); via Adelaide (6/11); correct?

Then Karlie's transaction history shows she was in Kent Town (14/11), then Mount Gambier (17/11) and Kippax Fair ACT (24/11) where she supposedly made a final transaction before she was allegedly murdered, or her remains were dumped, in Belanglo State Forest between 14-15/12/2008).

Recently, investigators have said the last reported sighting of Karlie and Khandalyce was in Charnwood ACT IIRC. Do you know the date of this reported sighting?

I can't help but keep coming back to the idea; no matter how unlikely it may be, that Karlie was murdered before 14-15/12/2008. Not knowing the much about dating modern skeletal remains with a relatively short PMI, I just wonder if it's possible that there is a degree of accuracy +/- x amount of time in days or weeks?

IMO.

 

[DaisyGirl66]

Royal Adelaide Hospital Hampstead Rehabilitation Centre in Northfield has a 20 bed specialist Orthopaedic, Amputee & Burns Rehabilitation Unit - http://www.rah.sa.gov.au/hampstead/hrcortho.php

 

[Maggie_May]

I make that mistake too JaneSA! Even turned up for a conference at the Royal once when I needed to be a good 500m back down towards old Ch 7 end of Hackney Road The Royal would surely have an ATM and yes, as we know, just a stone's throw from the RAH - a very short walk...

That's the Royal Hotel. Sorry, I accidentally referred to it as the Hackney in my post.

 

[Maggie_May]

Makara is it within the guidelines to post what we DO know about Mel May? I understand if not thanks.

Thanks for all the local info, VE.

BBM.

I agree with you about HP not being the person who took the photos at Marion. Is it possible it may have been her friend from Renmark (whose name just will not stick in my brain!)? Or, yes, a loved one who had a connection to Mount Gambier.

IMO.
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Sidebar: I still can't get over the finality of those photos.

 

[Makara]

Makara is it within the guidelines to post what we DO know about Mel May? I understand if not thanks.

Only what's been published in MSM Maggie_May. If it is information from Facebook etc., it's off limits.

 

[JaneSA]

Very good points.
This does assume known legitimate income sources. The kms we know about make it impossible to believe that there was no other source of "income". IMO there's a good chance Haze and DJH were doing his "rounds" at the time of the accident. After which, a hire car was no longer an option due to loss of licence. There may have been a short cash flow crisis. It is the speed of HP bring "swapped" for KP that makes me think DJH had to keep the show on the road.
IMO

Just a question from a feminist perspective, if I may?
Why are people generally thinking DJH is it control of whatever was going on?
Not you in particular, Wolfie, but just referring to the posts in general.
Maybe the "keeping the show on the road" was Karlie getting in deeper with whoever both she and other people worked for.
They could be more sort of work colleagues with the same boss, rather than people who worked together.
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[Wolfinator]

Just a question from a feminist perspective, if I may?
Why are people generally thinking DJH is it control of whatever was going on?
Not you in particular, Wolfie, but just referring to the posts in general.
Maybe the "keeping the show on the road" was Karlie getting in deeper with whoever both she and other people worked for.
They could be more sort of work colleagues with the same boss, rather than people who worked together.
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Interesting points and all very possible.

Karlie's absence of priors makes this a bit wobbly though to my mind. However as you say, her naivety could easily led to getting in over her head over time if there was some criminal scenario happening.

Continuing your line of feminist thinking though Hazel could have absolutely been calling the shots from her sick bed.

I had always removed Hazel from the window of K&Ks disappearance due to the accident but you've given me cause to rule her back in. Would fit the DJH ex-friend story the he was easily led.

And then of course us the mystery 2nd woman in the frauds (who I am convinced is the Holden Hill connection) She could be the other alpha.


IMO

 

[Trooper]

Interesting points and all very possible.

Karlie's absence of priors makes this a bit wobbly though to my mind. However as you say, her naivety could easily led to getting in over her head over time if there was some criminal scenario happening.

Continuing your line of feminist thinking though Hazel could have absolutely been calling the shots from her sick bed.

I had always removed Hazel from the window of K&Ks disappearance due to the accident but you've given me cause to rule her back in. Would fit the DJH ex-friend story the he was easily led.

And then of course us the mystery 2nd woman in the frauds (who I am convinced is the Holden Hill connection) She could be the other alpha.


IMO

I haven't noticed , either in general or in particular, any particularly anti feminist posts that have Karlie as the brains behind whatever it was, ( since no one knows whatever it was that got her murdered) .. as for Holdom being in control, it is a general agreed commonality, that the one left standing is in control, so since Karlie and her small daughter have been languishing in hidden graves for years, it really is rational to say Karlie wasn't in control and Holdom was. He isn't now, though, but that's how it should be. Being top of the food chain relies on a certain honestly and adherence to the law. Generally speaking. But out in the Belanglo forest, before that, and after, he was top of the food chain. in spades. Cant be denied.

Ive got Hazel flagged for the fraud , though. possibly all her idea, and probably all her activity.. mainly because it seemed to be an activity that had terrific nerve to it, something Holdom , even though he is a murderer , lacks.. He, the opportunist ,Hazel the careful planner. Making lemonade out of the lemons handed to her.

 

[Maggie_May]

as it ever was KG1... so right and that includes the drug trail in this case IMO as they are inseparable from the alleged $25k and quite separate from the fraud scenario

'Follow the money'. That is what Mr Bray said.

 

[Trooper]

as it ever was KG1... so right and that includes the drug trail in this case IMO as they are inseparable from the alleged $25k and quite separate from the fraud scenario

Task Force Mallee has not confirmed this $25,000 stuff, nor the' $5000 bounty"... it has merely confirmed that someone rang crimestoppers about it. At no time have they said it actually happened. Whereas,,,they have made quite clear the fraud happened , and how many times, ( around 1200 ) and approx. how much ( $100,000.00) ..

 

[Maggie_May]

especially given the MSM sources opining that DJH was looking for a dominant partner...though have never been able to reconcile that myself...

Just a question from a feminist perspective, if I may?
Why are people generally thinking DJH is it control of whatever was going on?
Not you in particular, Wolfie, but just referring to the posts in general.
Maybe the "keeping the show on the road" was Karlie getting in deeper with whoever both she and other people worked for.
They could be more sort of work colleagues with the same boss, rather than people who worked together.
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